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Junior Member Location: New York
Registered:: February 04, 2008
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Billy, I have no issue or problem with the people in any community defending themselves against criminals, that is their right.However, when you give support to para-military grouping with their own agenda,that is a problem. |
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Junior Member Registered:: July 02, 2007
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We will send you and your 7 year old son with a cutlass to fight off the FFs armed with AK47s. No need for a "Phantom" like group that carries weapons to match the enemy's. |
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Junior Member Registered:: September 05, 2006
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No I am not running from the question. I would use all means at my disposal to secure the safety of my family including the assistance of the Phantom. Now answer my question and don't run from it else it will make you "look hypocritical and stupid". |
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Junior Member Registered:: July 02, 2007
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The debate here is whether the use of phantoms was morally right or wrong. I say it was morally right given the fact that our security force and police were unable to help us from facing certain death at the hands of the FFs. |
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Junior Member Location: New York
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Who taped Felix and for what reason? Who was held with equipment purchased by the govt but was in the hands of the famous 'Good Hope Trio'? What is the use and purpose of the equipment in the hands of private persons? |
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Junior Member Registered:: September 05, 2006
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HYPOCRITE! |
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New Recruit Registered:: February 16, 2008
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Billy my friend if Jagdeo cant Provide the Protection to the People.......it is simple he must resign and let the PPP replace him with someone else who can provide the security and protection needed and who is mature enough to make right decisions and choices......... LINKING UP WITH OR SUPPORTING OR JOINING A CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE IS THE WORST THING JAGDEO COULD HAVE DONE TO HOLD ON TO OFFICE. HE SHOULD HAVE RESIGNED ...... BILLY YOU KNOW WHAT IS SO BAD, HIS ACTIONS HAS NOT STOPPED THE KILLINGS IN ANYWAY. |
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Junior Member Location: New York
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When US offers evidence of murder links we will investigate
… we have an obligation if presented with any information - Jagdeo Head of State Bharrat Jagdeo has said that the United States Government has not presented the Government of Guyana with any evidence regarding the allegations that Roger Khan may have ordered any murders or was involved in any murders. “From what I gathered, the US attorneys are presenting their case; we do not have any information from the US Government supporting any of these utterances in the court,” said Jagdeo at a press briefing held yesterday at the Office of the President. He noted that as long as the Guyana Government is formally presented with the evidence linking Roger Khan to any murders in Guyana then the Police will launch an investigation into the validity of the information. “If we have any detail about how they came upon this evidence or what evidence they have then I think that the police should follow it up to the conclusion.” He emphasized, however, that Khan was not in Guyana’s jurisdiction, “but we have an obligation that if presented with any information by the US Government about Roger Khan’s involvement in any criminal act that would be pursued by our law enforcement agency…That is my position.” Shaheed ‘Roger’ Khan has been fingered in the US court as having ordered at least two murders, namely the execution of Donald Alison, a boxing coach of Agricola, and Devendra Persaud. The Prosecution on Monday filed a motion in the United States District Court, Eastern District of New York, seeking to admit at trial evidence of Khan’s retaliation against Devendra Persaud, threats to Persaud and his family, seizing Persaud’s car, and ultimately ordering Persaud’s murder and the murder of Donald Allison. Individuals in the cocaine industry in Guyana, including Khan, suspected that Persaud was cooperating with U.S. law enforcement. Additionally, the government will try to establish at trial that one nickname for the Khan was “Shortman.” The evidence, according to the government, will show that some of that cocaine was seized in the United States. With the disappearance of that cocaine, Khan suspected that Allison and his co-conspirators had stolen from him. The evidence, the state reveals, also will show that Khan wanted Allison to work for him within the Khan organization, but Allison refused. On one occasion, Allison insulted Khan in public. Subsequent to these events, Allison was shot and killed. The motion went on to state that the fact that Khan ordered these murders is proof of his leadership role in the conspiracy. The Government has alleged in Count One of the superseding indictment that Khan was the principal administrator of a continuing criminal enterprise, and his role in the Persaud murder constitutes direct proof of that allegation. Accordingly, the Government says, evidence of the threats against Persaud and his family and Persaud’s murder are admissible as direct evidence of the conspiracy, because: (1) this conduct was committed in furtherance of the conspiracy and is thus direct proof of the existence and nature of the conspiracy itself, and (2) it is inextricably intertwined with the evidence proving the charged offences. For similar reasons, the murder of Allison should be admissible as direct evidence of the conspiracy; the murder was committed in furtherance of the conspiracy, and therefore is part of the conspiracy itself. The evidence obtained by the prosecution, it was stated, will show that Khan ordered the murder of Allison in part because he believed Allison and others had stolen cocaine that they obtained from Khan’s organization. Further, Khan, according to the U.S. Government, ordered the murder of Allison because Allison refused to directly work for Khan and insulted Khan in front of Khan’s co-conspirators. Murdering Allison was thus a show of force used to demonstrate Khan’s power and make explicit the consequences of refusing to work for Khan. Article from Kaiteur Newspapers 5/8/08 Is Jagdeo for real? Does it occur to him that the family of Persaud and Allison should be accorded some form of justice regardless of what form of 'alleged' activities they were involved in? |
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Active Member Registered:: June 17, 2002
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Not just look STUPID but conforms what the rest of us knew all along!!!
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Active Member Registered:: June 17, 2002
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I do not know which World you Guys are living in or how much you Guys read and know about the World. So here are the FACTS, the US GOvt and ALL POlice Departments use CRIMINALS when NECESSARY to have results. In the case of the Guyanese Criminals getting Slaughtered, it was a magnificent decision by Bhia Ronald Gajraj. I would prefer my Collateral damage to be Criminals rather than innocent Children and women as is happening in Iraq, Afghan, Gaza.
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Junior Member Location: New York
Registered:: February 04, 2008
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More hits from "Mr Morality". |
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Junior Member Registered:: September 05, 2006
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Yes. Mr. GOOD vs EVIL.  Pity he has to preach from afar. He deserves to be in GY sharing out leaflets outside Freedom House personally signed by his mentor Kellawan Lall. |
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Junior Member Registered:: July 02, 2007
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This is all wishful thinking. Terror cannot be won overnight. It is absolutely necessary to use whatever means in the short-term to reduce the loss of lives while planning to deal with the problem in the long run. Jagdeo resigning during the crime wave would not have translated into instant reformation of police and security forces. Please think before making any proposal. Life ain't that simple as cutting and loading or pasting. |
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New Recruit Registered:: February 16, 2008
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Junior Member Registered:: April 12, 2002
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Ireton, I don't think that there is any doubt or question as to who was behind the taping of Felix and Basil Williams. Further , I don't believe that anyone with an iota of intelligence and rationality would deny that Roger Khan and his Phantom Gang : 1. Were heavily involved in the drug trade and other criminal interprises. 2. Ingaged in extra judicial killings of both competitors and so called "Freedom Fighters" and criminals with close ties & connection to the PNC - a party that is hell bent, and a long history of achieving its political objectives by any and all means necissary, including aiding & abetting and consorting with criminals to commit murder & mayhem. The questions that beg answers are what desperation would drive a democratically elected government to either: 1. Accept help from a criminal interprise to combat criminality by another faction in society? 2. Deliberately turn a 'Nelson's eye' to this abberration, while Law Enforcement impotently observe from the side line. The answere my friend , has been staring us in the face every single day - "Slo Fiah/ Moh Fiah" "Ungovernable" "Kith & Kins" 'Missing Weapons' 'Tape- Gate'...and the list goes on. However, just like the political directorate, the partisan blinders has long become a part of the anotomy. Hence we can only see things in the "Coolie" & "Black" spectrum.[b] The Felix / Williams tapes must be doctored and illegal because it was made by a drug dealer, and it was just casual conversation between old chums when a political operative and the head of security is recorded discussing security arrangement, bloody massacre and other sensitive issues. Regarding the equipments and the Good-Hope Trio, there is absolutely no evidence that those were Govt equipments. In fact at the time of arrest & interception of the Lap Top, many folks with knowledge in survilance and electronics posited that those equipments could be acquired from any Radio Shack or other Electronic outlets. I wouldn't be surprise to learn later that you had actual 'bill of sale' tracing those equipments back to Gagraj or Jagdeo. |
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New Recruit Registered:: February 16, 2008
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Mara Roger Khan case will uncover Crime and Corruption, Fraud and Injustice that is unbelievable. Please tell me why Jagdeo refuse to finger the Minister killer??????????????????? |
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Junior Member Registered:: April 12, 2002
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You and I, and the idiot savant knew exactly what Jagdeo meant when he used the words: We know who is behind these killings. We know who the killers are... Is the phantom death squad a figment of your immigination? Everyone know the Phantom existed. Similarly, the Buxton FF are not a figment of people's immigianation. Haven't you credited the Phantom of taking out dozens and dozens of young men? Who were these people? Surely you are not making the case that they were all innocent young black males. Your continuous harping on what the President said is akin to pumping a steer and hoping to get milk. Like you, I am also anxiously looking forward to the day when some one is squeezed hard enough or would muster enough courage to spill the beans on the whole sordid affairs. Let the chips fall where it may. |
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Junior Member Registered:: April 04, 2008
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Mara,
There can be no defence for what the so-called Buxton Freedom Fighters did ravaging our society, but especially innocent Indians. They should be captured, charged, and tried. Let the LAW be applied to the fullest extent! Likewise, there can be no defence for what the Phantom Squad did ravaging out society, but especially against a mixture of criminals, suspects and innocent victims who were targeted on a murder-for-hire basis. The law, not the lawless, should have been put to work here but the government failed the country on both fronts. The government'job from Day One was to reform the army and police to operate as professionals after years of being forced to operate as political loyalists. There has to be a method to the PPPs madness that after 15 years and promises of reforms and SWAT teams, the PPP has done neither. Doesn't this tell you something about the PPP's miling crimes for political gain? Anyone who thinks they have some moral ground trying to defend the FF and PS has got to be pissing drunk. |
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New Recruit Registered:: February 16, 2008
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Anyone who thinks they have some moral ground trying to defend the FF and PS has got to be pissing drunk. Or Like Mara and Rama living safe overseas. |
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Junior Member Registered:: April 12, 2002
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Communicator, I absolutely agree with you in every respect except for "the Method to the madness ..." of the PPP "milking crime for political gain It is no secret that when the PPP/C came into office in 1992, they inherited a Security Force or what I would term a ten ton Gorrila which had dutifully adhered to the doctrin of 'Party Paramountcy & Maximum Leadership' Many including security experts thought that this was the opportune time to engaged in a thorough 'house cleaning" in the GPF & GDF. Jagan was consistently badgered at public fora and in the media about reforming the Security Forces. His and the PPP response was alway the same; any drastic measured aimed at reform in the Security Forces would be interpreted as a political/ ethnic witch hunt by those who are affected, and would be milked for all it is worth by the PNC. Subsequent events [b]( 'slo fiah/ moh fiah' 'kith & kin' 'he who owns the dogs call off the dogs' 'ungovernable' 'freedom fighters'...) have clearly validated these concerns. From day one , this govt has been engaged in a fine balancing act, and walking a 'tight rope' when it comes to any issue involving security and the Police & Army. Had they taken more decisive measure in reform, I doubt they would have survived this long. Having said that, the status quo is certainly looking more and more ugly, unacceptable and indefencable. |
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Junior Member Registered:: April 12, 2002
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Cane Cutta, If you are indeed a bonafide 'newebe' you are forgiven. However if you are one of those 'reincarnated' old timer , I challenge you to find one post where I have ever defended the FF or PS. |