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Originally posted by sugarworker:
Me know Joey. Me know he sissy too. He is a bright chap. Some people say that he is hasty. I think that he should be part of a future government. This future government should also include Ravi Dev, Mr.Nagamootoo, Ralph Ramkarran,Frank Anthony,Gail Texieria,Trotman,Ramjattan,ecetera.

sugarworker

I agreee with you 100%.

We need individuals who desire power to help others and not those who desire power for personal gain. Error Arthur said is quite succinctly in another thread. We have Manniram as a Cabinet Minister instead of Moses Nagamotoo, We have Lamumba as Empowerment Adviser instead of instead of a patriot as Ravi Dev, we have Kellawan Lall instead of Trotman etc.

The democratization of the PPP is long overdure. Let the members hold the power and not the Central Executive. The Central Executive has betrayed GY.

On some days you are killing off the PPP and on others you want to become Leader.. Are you different from Moses Nagamootoo? It doesn't work that way..


Tell the central committe members to step down so that a few opportunists like yourself can share the power in adsurd..

You have the AFC, ROAR and the PNC, joim them and try to convince 88% poor indians to abandon the PPP, then see what happens..

Blackie all forces have to be involved in Guyana's development. When we fight amongst ourselves we are only making Burnham's dreams come through.A special note on Ravi Dev. He is bright and can make a contribution. Some of his supporters are not so bright and they can stymie any effort to work with others especially if from other ethnic groups.

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Moses on the other hand is an opportunist to say the least. BJ made him to a laughing stock after the last elections, because as an opportunist he fell for the promises, even though he knew they were lying.

Stalin,you are hitting the boys rather hard,however,I do believe what you say is true.Seems like Moses missed an opportunity to define who is/was to the wider society and he as they say in football 'punted,' and in the end he now appears to be damaged.Yet, I do believe he stands he and shoulder above the suggested lot, but that is PPP politics and one never knows how things will roll.

Stalin ....Moses is not an opportunist.....I have known him since childhood and could confidently say that he is not opportunistic..... also if he was he would have accepted offers Burnham made to him during the dark days of the PNC dictatorship....if you remember Teekah,Chandisingh,Majeed,Harilal and others crossed the floor and held positions with the PNC government......Moses did not....he chose to stay and serve the PPP.....

When we talk of opportunists look closely at some of the folks close to Jagdeo namely....Nasimento a one time UF, PNC and now PPP-Civic functionary....look at Maniram Persaud a one time PNC city councillor now a PPP minister....look at Lumbumba a one time PNC, then GGG thug now a presidential advisor on empowerment.....

Satlin

Moses is far from an opportunist. I have posted may negative comments about the PPP on ths BB.
But, I will never say anything negative about Moses. He has my deepest respect and admiration.

Sometimes when we say nothing it is not a sign of weakness but a sign of deep inner strength and maturity. Moses is indeed a patriot.

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Originally posted by BLACKBEARD:

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Originally posted by sugarworker:
Me know Joey. Me know he sissy too. He is a bright chap. Some people say that he is hasty. I think that he should be part of a future government. This future government should also include Ravi Dev, Mr.Nagamootoo, Ralph Ramkarran,Frank Anthony,Gail Texieria,Trotman,Ramjattan,ecetera.

sugarworker

I agreee with you 100%.

We need individuals who desire power to help others and not those who desire power for personal gain. Error Arthur said is quite succinctly in another thread. We have Manniram as a Cabinet Minister instead of Moses Nagamotoo, We have Lamumba as Empowerment Adviser instead of instead of a patriot as Ravi Dev, we have Kellawan Lall instead of Trotman etc.

The democratization of the PPP is long overdure. Let the members hold the power and not the Central Executive. The Central Executive has betrayed GY.

On some days you are killing off the PPP and on others you want to become Leader.. Are you different from Moses Nagamootoo? It doesn't work that way..


Tell the central committe members to step down so that a few opportunists like yourself can share the power in adsurd..

You have the AFC, ROAR and the PNC, joim them and try to convince 88% poor indians to abandon the PPP, then see what happens..

Ramaji

Interesting. Pray tell what have I said to make you believe I want to be a leader or crave political power?

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HALIM MAJEED: "Mrs. Jagan believed that President Burnham had succeeded in duping President Castro and the Communist party of Cuba but he would never hoodwink her with his Marxist sophistry. She made it clear that she was neither enamored of Cuba's relations with the PNC nor with Mr. Burnham's new socialist credentials. The reports consistently stated that she continued to harp on the idea of punishing the PNC and to harbor notions of removing the PNC government by more 'revolutionary ' means."

Majeed, Halim (2005). Forbes Burnham: National Reconciliation and National Unity, 1984-1985. Page 51.

Churchill is correct TK is a PNCite. He quoting the words of a joker, Halim Majeed

Halim Majeed is a very dangerous rumor monger....when Chandisingh et all left the PPP for opportunistic reasons Majeed leaked the lie that Moses Nagamootoo and Odeen Ishmael had left also.....

This lie was soon nailed by both Moses and Odeen......

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STALINIST: Churchill is correct TK is a PNCite. He quoting the words of a joker, Halim Majeed

As I have said somewhere on GNI, if you guys doubt Majeed's account of the unity talks then write it down in a book.

BTW, I have a track record revealing my political support since I became politically conscious. And many of my letters in the press go back to 1998.

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Halim Majeed is a very dangerous rumor monger....when Chandisingh et all left the PPP for opportunistic reasons Majeed leaked the lie that Moses Nagamootoo and Odeen Ishmael had left also.....

This lie was soon nailed by both Moses and Odeen......

When the PNC were forced to demit office in 1992 they looted the various ministries - enen the curtains form the windows were stolen. They also destroyed vital records so as to make governance following them impossible. This had the additional effect of covering up the illegalities of their tenure. Against this background the name Halim Majeed stands out. He got himself a a receipt for a few bucks from Hoyte for a state vehicle, which the government was not authorized to sell in the first place. I know that he was prosecuted for this but do not know how the matter was resolved. The man is a shameless petty thief who is totally lacking in credibility. I would be surprised if his book sold enough to cover the publishing expenses.

I met him in Washington DC a while ago when he and Corbin were making their rounds to rally support. They were not well received and he himself cut a very pathetic figure.

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Errol A: When the PNC were forced to demit office in 1992 they looted the various ministries - enen the curtains form the windows were stolen. They also destroyed vital records so as to make governance following them impossible. This had the additional effect of covering up the illegalities of their tenure. Against this background the name Halim Majeed stands out. He got himself a a receipt for a few bucks from Hoyte for a state vehicle, which the government was not authorized to sell in the first place. I know that he was prosecuted for this but do not know how the matter was resolved. The man is a shameless petty thief who is totally lacking in credibility. I would be surprised if his book sold enough to cover the publishing expenses.

So you think that's a first-rate rebuttal of his account?

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Errol A: When the PNC were forced to demit office in 1992 they looted the various ministries - enen the curtains form the windows were stolen. They also destroyed vital records so as to make governance following them impossible. This had the additional effect of covering up the illegalities of their tenure. Against this background the name Halim Majeed stands out. He got himself a a receipt for a few bucks from Hoyte for a state vehicle, which the government was not authorized to sell in the first place. I know that he was prosecuted for this but do not know how the matter was resolved. The man is a shameless petty thief who is totally lacking in credibility. I would be surprised if his book sold enough to cover the publishing expenses.

So you think that's a first-rate rebuttal of his account?

Honesty, integrity and truthfulness are critical factors in assessing any chronicler. Halim Majid was one of the architects and chief apologists for the massive fraud that was perpetrated on the Guyanese people. His book is an extension of that fraud. Believe him if you must but don't demand that I do.

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Churchill: Halim Majeed is a very dangerous rumor monger....when Chandisingh et all left the PPP for opportunistic reasons Majeed leaked the lie that Moses Nagamootoo and Odeen Ishmael had left also.....

This lie was soon nailed by both Moses and Odeen......

I’m sure you and Majeed have personal axes to grind…but are you going to be the one to detail the PPP’s account?

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Errol A: His book is an extension of that fraud. Believe him if you must but don't demand that I do.

Oh no...I do not demand that you believe his account. All I'm saying someone from the PPP needs to give an account also. Imagins 50 years from now only Majeed's account could exist.

And I take it that the PPP is the reservoir of credibility and honesty?

In the interest of this discussion, here is a letter to the Stabroek News, written in 2005 by Clement Rohee touching on this issue:

After signing an agreement in 1978 with the IMF the PNC was caught in a dilemma
Saturday, August 27th 2005


Dear Editor

Mr. Elvin McDavid, former Senior Political Adviser to President Burnham in a recent TV interview on Christopher Ram's "Plain Talk" gave a fairly accurate description of the circumstances under which the second round of talks took place between the PPP and PNC prior to the death of Mr. Burnham in August 1985.
It is to be recalled that the first round of talks in the 1974-1976 period broke-down when Mr. Burnham demanded the retraction of a Mirror Editorial headlined: "Money for guns not for bread".

Mr. Burnham had set this demand as a pre-condition for the continuation of the talks. The PPP refused to comply with Mr. Burnham's demand and up went the talks in flames.
Mr. Mc David was equally candid in pointing out that it was Mr. Hoyte who virtually killed the 1985 "Constructive Dialogue" initiated by Burnham after Hoyte had assumed the Presidency in 1985.

Mr Hoyte did it again in 2003 when he put PPP/C-PNCR dialogue "On Pause" - a euphemism for torpedoing the dialogue as he did in 1985. Anyone who harboured hopes about the "good intentions" of Mr Hoyte vis-a-vis the dialogue process simply did not know about the man's abysmal track record on such matters.

I participated in the 1984-85 talks as a member of the PPP delegation. The PNC side was represented by Ranji Chandisingh and Elvin McDavid. Halim Majeed was the note-taker.
The coincidence of views at the time between the PPP and PNC on the ideological front notwithstanding, it is important to underline the fact that deep distrust permeated the atmosphere under which these talks were held.

After signing an Agreement with the IMF in 1978, the PNC was caught in a dilemma. With the economy in a mess and political pressure mounting, the PNC was faced with two options; either succumb to the demands of the IMF or work for a political solution with the PPP.

The PNC opted for the latter and in a letter to our party called for "Constructive Dialogue" between the two parties "in the interest of National Development, Security and Socialist Construction."

We knew, however, that the PNC was manoeuvring to either postpone the 1985 elections or to work out a "negotiated settlement" with the PPP. The objective of the "Negotiated Settlement" was to secure the agreement of the PPP to postpone the impending elections and accept a minority position in the cabinet without any real power.

Our decision to enter into "Constructive Dialogue" with the PNC at that time was made by our entire membership after comprehensive discussions on some key questions such as:

1. The motives of the PNC for wanting talks;

2. The possibilities of the talks leading to meaningful action and or change;

3. The effects such talks can have within the ruling PNC and the country as a whole.

Further, our decision to enter into talks with the PNC was generally welcomed by the people and hope was expressed of a favourable outcome. At the same time, many expressed apprehension.

Such apprehension was generated due to the fact that PNC thugs continued to break-up PPP public meetings and seize our loud speaking equipment.

Further, the National Security Act had been re-enacted. The Act provided for preventative detention - a provision we vehemently opposed.

Finally, the economy was in a tailspin.

In this situation, the PPP was not prepared to accept any formula which was not based on democracy and free and fair elections. Nor was the PPP prepared to accept any minority position in Government as a result of a negotiated settlement without the holding of free and fair elections.

It is important that your readers know these facts, particularly those freshmen and women who have jumped on to the shared governance bandwagon totally oblivious of such historical experiences.

Finally, I was disappointed Mr. McDavid was not objective and factual in his analysis about the talks since he was not speaking as a Member of the PNC. Had he done so, this letter would not have been necessary.

Yours faithfully,
Clement J. Rohee
Member of the Central Executive Committee PPP

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Churchill: Halim Majeed is a very dangerous rumor monger....when Chandisingh et all left the PPP for opportunistic reasons Majeed leaked the lie that Moses Nagamootoo and Odeen Ishmael had left also.....

This lie was soon nailed by both Moses and Odeen......

I’m sure you and Majeed have personal axes to grind…but are you going to be the one to detail the PPP’s account?

Do not attribute my political resentment of Halim Majeed to a " personal axe to grind"....although I have known the man since we were classmates......

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Do not attribute my political resentment of Halim Majeed to a " personal axe to grind"....although I have known the man since we were classmates

Alex,where you guys aware that El Presidente was in your area yesterday?

TK, You also believe in Ghosts????

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Further, the National Security Act had been re-enacted. The Act provided for preventative detention - a provision we vehemently opposed.

The Act is in full effect with the incarceration of Oliver Hinckson. To the PPP, this preventative detention is designed to send a message that if Hinckson is kept locked up then the armed criminals will stop their killings. Look for more to come until there is a velvet revolution!