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Junior Member Registered:: September 05, 2006
Posts: 4487
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Moses is my preference, but “the Donald” should prevail
I do not know when I ever pretended to be impartial when it comes to the potential Presidential candidates of the ruling People’s Progressive Party. I may have been objective in my analyses, but I am always partial in my preferences. I have a candidate that I would like to see gain the party’s favour. However, I am objective enough to know that this will not happen. As such, I have to consider other persons who may or may not decide to campaign for the party’s nomination. So far, no one has thrown his or her hat into the proverbial ring, and it is therefore mere speculation as to who are likely to be in the running. Of all the possible candidates, I feel that Moses Nagamootoo is best suited to lead Guyana. He is politically experienced, has been in the trenches, has a better grasp of what needs to be done politically to bring about peace, stability and development, and is someone who will attract a huge political following if made the party’s presidential candidate. Moses Nagamootoo has, however, been sidelined by his party, and is not likely to be given any leverage during the forthcoming Congress. Only that Congress can reverse his fortunes; but even if he manages to be restored to the party’s leadership, he is not likely to gain the nod for the position of the party’s Presidential candidate for the 2011 elections. I do not expect Moses to be restored as a member of the Executive Committee of the party. In fact, I believe he will have difficulties in making it into the Central Executive, something that he has never failed to do in the past. While he is my first choice to lead the PPP into the next elections, I consider him to be an outsider when it comes to the race for the candidacy. I also do not expect Roger Luncheon or Clement Rohee to be prime candidates. Mr. Ralph Ramkarran I give very little chance of even being considered, despite whatever Bisram’s polls may have said. This is my opinion. This leaves only two persons who can take up the mantle: Robert Montgomery Persaud and Donald Ramotar. As I have said before, I believe that the match-up between the two is a no-contest. If Donald Ramotar wants the party nomination, he will have it. There is no doubt in my mind that only Donald Ramotar can defeat Donald Ramotar. Once he shows a seriousness for the job, it will be handed to him lock, stock and barrel by the party executive. Bharrat Jagdeo has no say in this matter. He is on his way out and will be a spent political force by the time the 2011 elections come around. From his record, I believe that whoever is chosen as the party’s Presidential candidate would wish to keep as far away from him as possible. The PPP Presidential candidate has to be someone that embraces a new form of politics. Guyana needs someone who can be serious about the things Jagdeo has been preaching about but slow on implementing. They need someone who is willing to move forward on making Parliament a much more inclusionary body, someone who can be accommodative and receptive to the concerns of the opposition without being a weak leader; someone who has fire in their backbone and tenderness in their heart; someone who is willing to reduce State domination of the media and allow the opposition to have a greater say in the affairs of the country; and, most importantly, someone with a new economic and social vision. Quite honestly, the Jagdeo experiment in these areas has been a disaster. Guyana needs someone who is willing to listen and consider alternative models for economic and social development. President Jagdeo was an experiment in youth by the ruling party. This experiment has not worked. He has proven that what Guyana needs more than ever within the highest office is not inexperience but rather wisdom, a wisdom that comes from understanding the workings of the party from a deep involvement with the leaders and cadres on the ground, and someone who at the minimum has some understanding of economics. For all of these reasons, and considering that so far no one has thrown his or her hat into the race for the party nomination, I feel that it boils down to The Donald, since I do not believe that Moses will be able to return from the wilderness in time to be considered. I anticipate that there will be changes to the old guard at the forthcoming Congress, but that the leadership in general will remain intact to allow for a virtually unchanged Executive Committee of the party. Unless the Congress opts to institute a mechanism to select the party Presidential candidate, something that I am hoping it does, then the decision as to who will lead the party into the 2011 polls will remain with the Central Executive. And once it remains with this body, and The Donald is interested in the post, it will be his for the taking. I have noted the comment that the political battle field is littered with the bones of good politicians. I never said The Donald was good; I said that there are many decent persons within the PPP, but none more so than The Donald. In my heart I believe he is a decent human being. Whether someone wants to consider that as being good is another matter. Peeping Tom. |
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Junior Member Location: canada
Registered:: December 26, 2004
Posts: 1788
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Once Mrs. J is kicking, the Presidential candidate is her making. She can surprise the nation again by selecting an unkown person in the hidden closet of the communist PPP. We should be looking at the PPP list of soviet trained individuals that she might spring upon us. We the highly educated and highly motivated
have to live with her poor selection of individual to manage our affair. Whenever she dies, there will be chaos among the PPP elites. In following the trend of lawlessness of Guyana I would expect those men to pull out their guns and perhaps gun down one another. The senerio is not good for Guyana-there should have been a potential leader already identified. The PNC, if smart should be ready to take advantage of this potential opportunity. Dem stupid cooolies needs that to happen again-rob of dem of governance. Once a gain, the stubborness of Jagans puts Guyana at a leadership risks. I hope that the jewish roots of Mrs. J and its relationship with the Almighty makes her see the light and truly lets God light shines upon Guyana-open the party to new blood. The indian vote stifles guyanas progress-so atleast have good leadership. |
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Junior Member Registered:: April 04, 2008
Posts: 1547
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Mrs. J does not care about Guyanese! She cares only about communism! Ideology trumps people's right to security! Look at the mess Jagdeo has created, and not once has she ever written a critical analysis of Jagdeo's performance. Not once!
Indians are dying and not once has she reprimanded Jagdeo for failing to reform the police force or establish a SWAT team! And Jagdeo made this promise in the 2002-2004 crime spree and his 2006 elections. To Janet Jagan and the PPP, Indians being killed represent investments in the party's future. This is the only way the PPP can get Indians to keep voting PPP - by blaming the PNC for all the deaths of Indians. The PPP will do nothing to stop the killing of Indians! It works for the PPP! The problem with a lot of Indians who write letters and post stuff in blogs is that they are either afraid or unwilling to state the truth because they feel it might hurt the PPP's image and discourage Indians from supporting the PPP anymore. When Ravi Dev, running for the presidency in 1997, began drawing crowds of Indians to his rallies, Mrs. Jagan got up and screamed for Indians to NOT SPLIT THE VOTE! I'm no Dev fan, but right then I realized that Dev was touching a raw nerve in Indians losing faith in the PPP's failure to address vicious attacks on their persons. Dev was exposing the PPP for failing Indians and instead of the PPP responding by doing something about it, Mrs. Jagan told Indians not to split the vote. To her, voting PPP was more important than protecting Indians! That was 1997! This is 2008! What has the PPP done for the security and safety of Indians in the past 11 years? NOTHING!!! NOTHING!!! Yet we have PPP apologists posting stuff here defending the PPP and its government! |
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Elite Member Registered:: February 27, 1999
Posts: 27092
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Dev is a lappy dawg just like Moses,they would join the party again and again even when they are not wanted. Donald is a communist,and by now if you people don't see communism and socialism as a failure for Guyana,we will never rise.
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Member Location: canada
Registered:: February 17, 2005
Posts: 9640
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You all should get ready for President Nagamootoo.
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Elite Member Registered:: February 27, 1999
Posts: 27092
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He might be the best the PPP got to offer. |
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Junior Member Registered:: April 04, 2008
Posts: 1547
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God only knows what the PPP will do about its next presidential candidate, but I can only hope he or she will launch an impartial probe into the politically inspired attacks and killing spree that started after the PPP resume power in 1992.
It is not enough to blame the PNC, thus makin git appear as pure politics. People lost their loved ones and there has been no sense of justice, and despite the criticisms leveled against critics of the party and government for their collective failure to have an official probe so far, justice demands an investigatioon be done, and whoever is found guilty of crimes or orchestrating crimes, should be held accountable and responsible. In 1992, Dr. Cheddi Jagan said he would not investigate the PNC's corrupt and criminal past, and the same is now visitng the PPP. Will Jagdeo's successor follow Dr. Jagan's lead and not investigate what happened in the last sixteen years? I believe that if Moses gets elected, he will have an investigation. After all, it was he who went to the PPP executive enquiring about the Phantom Squad operations as told to him by George Bacchus. For enquiring, he made enemies with the President and certain PPP officials who were in the know on these extra judicial killings. He should also probe the GDF and GPF for any and all involvement in crimes commited by gangs. It may take two or three separate probes, but people )criminals and innocents alike) should not just be killed and be forgotten without some form of closure by the authorities. |
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Elite Member Registered:: February 27, 1999
Posts: 27092
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For this reason he will not go anywhere. Besides he is a good ass kisser. |
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New Recruit Location: West Orange
Registered:: December 10, 2003
Posts: 356
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It seems that there is a clever propaganda campaign at work for party representatives at the August Congress not to vote for Moses Nagamootoo. The line is that voting for him will be a waste as Janet Jagan and her clique do NOT want him to be President.
The real fear is that when Moses tops the vote at congress as he has done in the past, he cannot be ignored. If he does not become the presidential candidate or becomes part of the 2011 "A" team, there is likely to be rebellion from the party supporters against the leadership. Moses then has a real chance of taking on the fight against any of the lightweights, and open a new chapter in Guyana's politics. Ramoutar's name is put up to fool the party members that his choice is a done deal, and that this will get them to vote for him at congress. Peeping Tom is selling a child's strategy - one that promotes division and destruction of the PPP. I wish others on this thread will see Moses as a victim, and not label him. He may have a choice of staying and be crucified or walk away, which is why he may need your encouragement not your condemnation. |
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Junior Member Location: Richmond Hill, New York,USA
Registered:: July 02, 2003
Posts: 3784
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Originally posted by comrade:
It seems that there is a clever propaganda campaign at work for party representatives at the August Congress not to vote for Moses Nagamootoo. The line is that voting for him will be a waste as Janet Jagan and her clique do NOT want him to be President. [/QUOTE] Comrade yes there is word of a concentrated effort to dissuade regular delegates from voting for Moses at Congress and it is a very big concern on how to translate the grassroot support to influence the decision of the executive committee which is empowered under the PPP's present constitution to make the final decision..... The "clique" you mentioned could be found in the executive committeee of the party....the gang of eight as Joey Jagan talked about before.....the executive committee comprises fifteen persons so eight of them will comprise a majority on votes on crucial issues.... Moses's challenge is that Ramoutar or Ralph can get the support of the gang of eight...whereas Moses will get the support of the majority of the rank and file (grass roots) members..... How can the grassroots force the executive to honour their wishes? |
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Active Member Location: Hell
Registered:: May 09, 2001
Posts: 14204
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A replay of B.S Rai all over again .
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Junior Member Registered:: April 04, 2008
Posts: 1547
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On her return from the United States after Cheddi died, one seemingly reliable insider revealed, Janet told the PPP executive Cheddi told her to 'take over'.
At a meeting of the executive, she nominated Ralph Ramkarran as Cheddi's successor, but Moses objected and a fierce exchange ensued. At this juncture, Janet then went with Plan B: Bharrat Jagdeo. The executive went along. But to accomplish this, she had to first run for President to make the 'take over' official. In this run, she named an 'A Team' comprising herself, Sam Hinds and Bharrat Jagdeo. In event she had to step down during her presidency, Sam Hinds would be named President for a short while and then step down to facilitate Jagdeo becoming President. The PPP reserved the right to the presidency while giving the PM spot to the Civic arm. Two years into her presidency, she cited ill-health and stepped down, thereby fulfilling her wish for Jagdeo to become President. But judging from her ongoing writings and behind the scenes shenanigans, it is obvious ill-health was never a reason for her stepping down. The woman is a devious plotter who has only one goal in mind: running the PPP as a communist party from behind the scenes. Screw the people of Guyana. It's the PPP or death for Guyanese! And is this exdactly what we're seeing right now with Guyanese dying but the PPP still holding on to power? Given the disheveled state of the PPP, I won't be surprised if Baby Kong pulls a rabbit out of the hat and seizes control of the party and government in time for 2011. |
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Bulbulee Registered:: June 27, 2008
Posts: 238
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I have said it many a times, Janet is a known communist, she is living her dreams with little puppets in her Apron pockets. She is a nasty little white girl. Janet has been running Guyana for as long as I know. She messed up Jagan and Jagdeo. Good thing my father was smart, he studied in England. |
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Bulbulee Registered:: June 27, 2008
Posts: 238
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He was Minister of Education, during his time. He had a lot of B.S to share, where is he now, in England? |
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New Recruit Registered:: July 06, 2007
Posts: 588
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The author of this article should stop peeping and come back to realty. DONALD and ROBERT are two of the most incompetent persons in the PPP. How come he was never given a ministerial post. We know that Robert was given a post because he is married to BJ's niece. BUT PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL? wake up from your dream. Moses on the other hand is an opportunist to say the least. BJ made him to a laughing stock after the last elections, because as an opportunist he fell for the promises, even though he knew they were lying. He would have had more credibility if he had stayed out of the PPP. People would have seen him as a principled person. Don't get me wrong, he is a smart individual. But being smart is not a criteria for being a presidential candidate |
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Member Location: canada
Registered:: February 17, 2005
Posts: 9640
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Stalin, who would be your choice for President?
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New Recruit Registered:: July 06, 2007
Posts: 588
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Alex, Honestly, I am still trying to decide but will post when I decide. |
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Member Location: India
Registered:: August 21, 2002
Posts: 5175
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An inheretance of the great CBJ. |
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Junior Member Registered:: September 05, 2006
Posts: 4487
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"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
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Junior Member Location: New York
Registered:: February 04, 2008
Posts: 1543
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Stalin,you are hitting the boys rather hard,however,I do believe what you say is true.Seems like Moses missed an opportunity to define who is/was to the wider society and he as they say in football 'punted,' and in the end he now appears to be damaged.Yet, I do believe he stands he and shoulder above the suggested lot, but that is PPP politics and one never knows how things will roll. |
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Active Member Location: Hell
Registered:: May 09, 2001
Posts: 14204
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thats why your daddy had to pull back the dogs of war when the indian vigilante was up and about ...he was scared sh1tless of Rai , anyways ......... he got wise and packed it in for the UK . Seems he knew and understood more of and about the PPP and indian mentality than most of you morons . |
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Elite Member Location: Brampton,ontario,Cda
Registered:: June 28, 2002
Posts: 28816
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Balram Singh Rai gambled and lost. He was loved withing the fold of the PPP but when he formed his own Justice party, he soon found out that Blaood is thicker than water.. He bragged about being the next Home affairs Minister in a PNC/UF/JP coalation. In the Election, he lost dis deposit.. |