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Community Administrator Registered:: February 21, 1999
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A three-man team of crime scene experts from Trinidad arrived yesterday, and the Ministry of Home Affairs said another team from Jamaica is to follow soon, as the government looks to solve the murder of eight diamond miners.
The high-level team comprises a crime investigator, a forensics investigator and a homicide expert. The experts arrived by helicopter and immediately travelled to the crime scene, the Ministry of Home Affairs stated. The ministry also indicated that the Jamaican authorities will soon dispatch a team to Guyana to assist with the investigation, and Barbados has also expressed its readiness to be part of the process. The team from Trinidad arrived one week after the U.S. government turned down a request by the Guyana government for forensic pathology assistance to help solve the case involving the slaying of the men at Lindo Creek in the Berbice River. The Ministry of Home Affairs said the immediate and generous responses by the authorities in Barbados, Trinidad and Tobago and Jamaica are a clear manifestation of the commitment of the region’s law enforcement agencies to assist each other in crime prevention, crime detection and crime solving. Reacting to news of the arrival of the Trinidad team, Nigel Hughes, lawyer for the dead miners’ relatives, who had been pushing for an independent forensics team to be present at the crime scene during any investigation, said that he was disappointed that the authorities did not find it fit to inform the relatives about this new move. The government in the Ministry of Home Affairs statement reiterated its commitment to working with the joint investigating team with a view to expediting the investigations into the slaying of the eight miners. The need for independent forensics to determine when and how the miners were killed arose following accusations by Leonard Arokium, the owner of the Lindo Creek camp, that the security forces were responsible for the death of the men. Arokium’s son and brother were among the men slain. The police on Monday said they had arrested a suspect in the killings on Friday, and have since unearthed hard evidence that the miners were shot and killed and their bodies burnt by gunmen connected to the Buxton/Agricola criminal gang led by wanted man, Rondell ‘Fineman’ Rawlins. The bodies of Nigel Torres, Bonny Harry, Dax Arokium, Compton Speirs, Cedric Arokium, Horace Drakes, Clifton Wong and Lancelot Lee were found wrapped in tarpaulins late last month at the Lindo Creek Camp. The camp is located some 10 miles below Christmas Falls, where there was a June 6 shootout between the security forces and ‘Fineman’ and his gang. Following Arokium’s accusations, the Jagdeo administration had approached the US government for assistance, but last week Wednesday Washington said it could not help owing to resource constraints. Clement Rohee, Home Affairs Minister said in a statement that he had received an official response from the US authorities informing that due to logistical and resource limitations, they were unable to fulfil Guyana’s request to dispatch a forensic/pathology team here to assist with the investigations. Rohee said consequently his ministry activated contingency arrangements at the bilateral level within CARICOM, together with other regional and international bodies, to have a forensic/pathology team present in Guyana. Relatives of the dead miners had been lobbying the government to grant permission to a team of British forensics experts to be present at the site during the forensic examination. When contacted last evening on the issue, Rohee said that a decision is yet to be made. Meanwhile, in an invited comment last evening, Hughes said that he was hoping that the concerns of the relatives to have an independent probe would have been met. Courtesy He said he was disappointed that Commissioner of Police, Henry Greene did not have the courtesy to tell him that the experts were here. “We can’t impose anybody on the police investigation…we can’t go to the site without their permission,†Hughes sated. Last week Greene, responding to a letter from Hughes on behalf of the relatives, assured the lawyer that the Police Force was committed to an impartial investigation and that it will not conceal any evidence coming to the fore. Hughes earlier in the week had proposed to have the British crime scene forensic experts observe any investigative work at the Lindo Creek site. Hughes had contended that with the passage of every day there is degradation of the crime scene and this, coupled with the real possibility of contamination of the site, will further jeopardize the integrity of any independent investigation. The attorney had also urged the administration to accept and retain the services of the experts following US refusal to assist. Guyana Times |
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Member Registered:: March 03, 2003
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So what? When the findings reveal that Fine Man did not do it, will Jagdeo fire Greene for blantantly lying to the public?
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Elite Member Location: Homeless in New York, Lil ABC dropout!
Registered:: March 22, 1999
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This is very interesting! I thought the US was interested in the Guyana organized crime scene. They even have evidence that RK killed 200 people!  |
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Indiana Jones Location: Alberta, Canada
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..... and if the forsenic investigations reveal otherwise?? |
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Guyana is headed by a backward Soviet educated misfit who is the head of all ministries and agencies and the army and the police and the GRA and everything else that government controls.
In developed countries, whenever a major or high-profile crime is committed, the crime scene is protected and forensic experts go to work almost immediately before the environment becomes contaminated or compromised. After local security forces with no internationally recognized training in forensics traipzed through the scene and still cannot conclude anything other than the men are dead, is proof the government is playing politics with people's lives. How long ago did the miners die? What exactly are the foreign experts looking for now? To know how they died? Will knowing how they died tell us who killed them? Now, this would be one for the history books if the forensic analyses can conclude that Fineman, and not not the Joint Services, killed the miners. |
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Indiana Jones Location: Alberta, Canada
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The forsenic experts are now in Guyana.
Let them do their work and prsent their findings. |
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Elite Member Location: Homeless in New York, Lil ABC dropout!
Registered:: March 22, 1999
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...and the US forensic experts don't have airfare to travel on Delta!
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Member Registered:: April 04, 2008
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Hey Dem, I will be right behind you in the long and growing line of Guyanese who are waiting for all sorts of results from probes, investigations, analyses, enquiries, interrogations and so on and so forth. Don't worry, the experts can have all the time they need...like the time we are giving Jagdeo to give us answers to questions and solutions to problems. (Oh, I forgot, Jagdeo is part of the problem, hence he cannot give us solutions!!)  |
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They have no interest in wasting resources in an environment that is so corrupt and incompetent that whatever forensic evidence that probably existed has since been compromised. The fcat that the GY govt protected a known drug dealer and murderer is all that they need to know. |
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Elite Member Location: Homeless in New York, Lil ABC dropout!
Registered:: March 22, 1999
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My question, which remains unanswered, is since the US is so much involved in the investigation of crime in Guyana (they have evidence of 200 killings by RK gang), why aren't they involved in investigating this, since it involves an RK spinoff gang?
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Indiana Jones Location: Alberta, Canada
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Hi there Communicator: I believe in this simple, yet profound saying: Time and patience are virtues. I add to that two of my personal traits -- observe, be circumspect. There are occasions when many of us would want instant answers, responses, etc. Each rope; despite its length; has an end. |
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Elite Member Location: ny
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They have no interest in Guyana. They just wonder why the GY govt protected RK a man who they wanted to arrest based on crime sthat he committe din the USA. |
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Member Registered:: March 24, 2006
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If they are able accommodate a racist like you to fake a living, then they can practically do anything. This is another example that proves that there is no shortage of PNC goons to propagate the PNC lies and disinformation and to hide their terrorist activities. They’ll sell their mothers for political power |
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Dem, I believe that time is a precious resource and patience is a priceless virtue. However, it is amazing how this government has managed to work these two into twin vices so that people are left waiting a long, long, long time for answers to questions, and their patience is being used against them as though they don't deserve to know anything in a hurry. Here's what a conversation between the government and people would go like: GOVT: "What you all waiting here fuh?" PEOPLE: "Fuh answers to certain questions we asked a long time ago!" GOVT: "Oooh! Okay. Stay here and wait while I go and look for the answers." PEOPLE: "But you told us dat de last time you came outside to talk to us about why we waiting here." GOVT: "I know. I know. But I still have to get some more information. Right now I have no knowledge. In fact, to be honest, I have no comment. So just wait here, okay? I'll be right back!" DemGuy, the President keeps saying the PNC is linked to the criminals, but from 2002-2004 to now, we're still waiting for arrests of PNC officials and high-profile criminals involved in major cases. Another one is, in the aftermath of the 2002-2004 crime wave, the President promised to reform the police force and establish a SWAT team in it to combat dangerous crimes. Six years later and we're still waiting for both to happen. I cited these two examples to show you that your admirable and noble concept of time and patience do not apply to the government in Guyana; it applies to people like you who believe that some day along the way, time and patience will allow you to see what you're looking for. Not me, bro, I making all the noise I can to call the people of Guyana's attention to what an inept and corrupt government they have. It is also a government that lacks transparency, accountability and responsibility. Time and patience make no sense to this type of government. IMAGINE ALL THE KILLINGS IN GUYANA AND NOT ONCE HAS THERE BEEN A PARLIAMENTARY HEARING INTO THESE DEATHS! If this was America or Canada or Britain, and people were being killed by TERRORISTS and the law couldn't stop the TERRORISTS, you bet your bottom dollar the legislative arms of those governments would have been up in arms with probes and demanding heads roll or systems be shaken up. Remember, time is a precious resource; patience is a prceless virtue. They do not apply to Guyana's situation! |
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Indiana Jones Location: Alberta, Canada
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I appreciate the examples. As these events occur and unfold, it does not mean that I do not have my personal views based on current general plus personal information sources. I do not voce many of my views here, simply because would have already expressed them during current and/or past discussions threads. I see things as they unfold, and also would indeed make the adjustments, as new information becomes available to me. I do not formulate preconceived expectations for an event/situation. While there might be similarities and trends, each issue has its uniqueness and still needs to be viewed/assessed in a circumspect manner. |
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Indiana Jones Location: Alberta, Canada
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These are indeed two pressing issues. Perhaps, it might be worthwhile to set up thread/threads to discuss them. Based on the information presented, I would be inclined to share my thoughts. I believe that while, collectively here as GNI members, we would have commonalities and differences on topics, we still can provide constructive critiques. |
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Indiana Jones Location: Alberta, Canada
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I appreciate your points of view in making “noiseâ€. I agree with many of your comments; on this and other threads/topics; yet I also differ on others. |
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Indiana Jones Location: Alberta, Canada
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This indeed is a concern. It also begs the question – â€What are the opposition parties, like PNC/R, AFC, etc doing about this matter in parliament?" |
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