The Office of the President is dismayed at the grossly inaccurate and misleading report by the Associated Press (AP) out of Georgetown today attributing statements to President Bharrat Jagdeo that he did not make.

At no time during his press conference at the Office of the President on Tuesday, January 26, 2010, did the President say that “Iranian scientists will identify uranium deposits using updated technology” in Guyana as AP claimed.

A release last evening from the Office of the President said, “ This is totally inaccurate and the Office of the President urges AP to immediately retract and correct the report by its Georgetown correspondent who was not even at the press conference.

“For the record, President Jagdeo said Iran has agreed to deploy its world class geo-scientific techniques to help Guyana accurately map its mineral wealth deposits and an Iranian mission is due here soon to begin working with the Guyana Geology and Mines Commission on the project.

“The President noted that because Iran is in a very active earthquake region, it has developed world class geo sciences labs and uses the same science employed to predict earthquakes to map mineral potential and resources.

“Guyana has long lacked this capability and because of the absence of data on its mineral resources, it has relied on investors to seek prospecting licences and then develop a project in a “hit and miss way”, he said.

“The Iran offer opens new vistas and the President said GGMC Head, Mr. William Woolford, is excited about the prospects.

“There was no mention of “uranium deposits” or any other mineral and the Office of the President deplores this disgustingly misleading report aimed at sensationalism.

“The President also reported that Iran will provide Guyana with a US$1.5M grant for the health sector and did not say that Iran will send doctors to fill shortages at state hospitals as AP claimed.

“The Office of the President hopes that AP will take the necessary course to avoid a repeat of such despicable reporting by its Guyana correspondent,” the Office of the President statement concluded.

GINA

However despite the above Trotman went on to report say this :

Guyana opposition slams Iran uranium deal

Published on Thursday, February 4, 2010 Email To Friend Print Version

By Neil Marks

GEORGETOWN, Guyana (Reuters) -- Guyana's opposition leaders said on Wednesday the government may be helping Iran enrich uranium and damaging ties with the United States with a plan to have Iran map the South American country's mineral resources.

Guyanese President Bharrat Jagdeo, who traveled to Tehran last week, announced the upcoming visit of a team of scientists from Iran, which is facing heavy criticism from the United States and its allies over its nuclear enrichment program.

Iran raised eyebrows last year with offers to help map uranium deposits in Venezuela, where leftist President Hugo Chavez supports Tehran's nuclear program.

"Iran makes no secret of its search for uranium, it is doing the same in Venezuela," says Rafael Trotman, top legislator for the opposition Alliance for Change Party.

"There are known uranium deposits in Guyana and so it doesn't take much speculation to figure out what is going on."

He said this could sour relations with the United States, a major provider of development aid that plans to spend $52 million over the next five years to fight AIDS in Guyana, and is financing other trade, investment and governance programs.

Iran says its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes but Western powers suspect it is seeking to make weapons.

Guyana's Foreign Ministry did not comment on the accusations.

Iran has also agreed to give Guyana $1.5 million to build an institution to train specialist doctors as part of an unrelated cooperation deal.

Trotman said the nuclear mapping accord contrasts with the country's standard practice of requiring investors to secure a prospecting license before mining for minerals including gold and diamonds in the country's vast provinces.

A Canadian company is currently in Guyana exploring for uranium. The company, U308 Corp, has exclusive uranium exploration rights in an area covering approximately 1.3 million hectares that straddles the edge of the Roraima Basin in Guyana.

Uranium is found naturally in a variety of forms but only a particular adapted form of the mineral -- rather than simply the mined ore -- can be used for electricity or explosives.

This type, called U-235 to represent its mass, is present in less than 1 percent of mined ore.

We should also note that despite the title of the headline clearly titled "Opposition" only Trotman is quoted.

Trotman was caught napping when PNC supporters exposed secret merger talks between himself and the PNC so in retaliation he has apparently launched a propaganda blitz. Earlier this week he tried to link the PNC and PPP to secret shared government talks.

His actions reeks of desperation, as his party has been caught napping.

SJ, what are the odds of a Ramjattan/Trotman fall-out after the elections?

How long will it be before the AFC resorts to a lone-leadership party?

quote:

SJ: Trotman was caught napping when PNC supporters exposed secret merger talks between himself and the PNC so in retaliation he has apparently launched a propaganda blitz. Earlier this week he tried to link the PNC and PPP to secret shared government talks.

His actions reeks of desperation, as his party has been caught napping.

Trotman told the PNC to apologize for its 28years and other atrocities. For that he was marginalized and had to leave. Hence, the man has character.

quote:

Originally posted by Sona:
SJ, what are the odds of a Ramjattan/Trotman fall-out after the elections?

How long will it be before the AFC resorts to a lone-leadership party?

As soon as the elections results of 2011 are announced. Take a few steps back and remember the Gaumattie Singh debacle

quote:

Originally posted by TK:
Trotman told the PNC to apologize for its 28years and other atrocities. For that he was marginalized and had to leave. Hence, the man has character.

He told the PNC to apologize but did he?

quote:

Originally posted by SJ4321:

quote:

Originally posted by Sona:
SJ, what are the odds of a Ramjattan/Trotman fall-out after the elections?

How long will it be before the AFC resorts to a lone-leadership party?

As soon as the elections results of 2011 are announced. Take a few steps back and remember the Gaumattie Singh debacle

Well it just shows that AFC knows how to be fair and equitable, right TK?

quote:

Originally posted by Sona:
Well it just shows that AFC knows how to be fair and equitable, right TK?

quote:

Originally posted by SJ4321:

quote:

Originally posted by TK:
Trotman told the PNC to apologize for its 28years and other atrocities. For that he was marginalized and had to leave. Hence, the man has character.

He told the PNC to apologize but did he?

Did you not hear of the old adage, do as I say, not as I do?

quote:

Originally posted by Sona:
Did you not hear of the old adage, do as I say, not as I do?

Sona as much as these gentlemen present themselves as being ridden of the ghosts of their former parties we all know that it is impossible to just wake up one day and suddenly find a new awakening without ever reverting to the past.

quote:

As soon as the elections results of 2011 are announced. Take a few steps back and remember the Gaumattie Singh debacle

Most AFC people I spoke to acknowledge the Gomattie issue was a mistake. Khemraj is a very good friend with Gomattie.

quote:

Originally posted by TK:
Most AFC people I spoke to acknowledge the Gomattie issue was a mistake.

Did they acknowledge that dousing her with acid was a mistake too?

NOTE: By asking the question I am not insinuating that the AFC was responsible for her dousing with the corrosive substance

quote:

SJ: He told the PNC to apologize but did he?

He did more than apologizing...he formed a political party and took on the useless PNC/PPP.

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

As soon as the elections results of 2011 are announced. Take a few steps back and remember the Gaumattie Singh debacle

Most AFC people I spoke to acknowledge the Gomattie issue was a mistake. Khemraj is a very good friend with Gomattie.

Mistake? You call what happened to Gaumattie a mistake? The act was intentional, the outcome so intended, and you call it a mistake. So was it Khemraj's mistake or Trotman's? Or was it both?

TK, the good thing about a dual-leadership party is that one person can disavow mistakes...

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

As soon as the elections results of 2011 are announced. Take a few steps back and remember the Gaumattie Singh debacle

Most AFC people I spoke to acknowledge the Gomattie issue was a mistake. Khemraj is a very good friend with Gomattie.

Has Trotman and his AFC party officially and publicly issued a statement that it made a mistake with Gaumattie Singh?

Afterall, Trotman touts his party as the on for CHANGES and transparency.

Perhaps, the CHANGES Trotman is advocating for his AFC party are indicative by his actions against Gaumattie Singh??

quote:

Originally posted by Sona:
SJ, what are the odds of a Ramjattan/Trotman fall-out after the elections?

How long will it be before the AFC resorts to a lone-leadership party?

This is Ramjattan’s last change in the political arena. The AFC and Trotman will kick his ass out if he fails to deliver the Indian votes.TK the same will happen to you too.

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

SJ: He told the PNC to apologize but did he?

He did more than apologizing...he formed a political party and took on the useless PNC/PPP.

Exactly... the AFC is Trotman's personal creation and party.

However ... the question still remains: --"Has Trotman apologised"'

quote:

Originally posted by Demerara_Guy:

Has Trotman and his AFC party officially and publicly issued a statement that it made a mistake with Gaumattie Singh?

Afterall, Trotman touts his party as the on for CHANGES and transparency.

Perhaps, the CHANGES Trotman is advocating for his AFC party are indicative by his actions against Gaumattie Singh??

TK ent know di old saying: Wha is play fa lil boy is death fa crappo!

quote:

Originally posted by Demerara_Guy:
Exactly... the AFC is Trotman's personal creation and party.

And who better to hear it from than Tarron khemraj himself. Confession is good for the soul. What ever happened to Trotman's play thing that took Gaumattie's promised seat? Chantelle was her name..........

quote:

SONA: Mistake? You call what happened to Gaumattie a mistake? The act was intentional, the outcome so intended, and you call it a mistake. So was it Khemraj's mistake or Trotman's? Or was it both?

TK, the good thing about a dual-leadership party is that one person can disavow mistakes...

It was a big mistake on the part of AFC. But I have a few bigger ones for you.

1. Not reforming the police/army as at Oct 5, 1992.

2.Asking a drug pusher to fight crimes. What are the quid pro quo.

3. The financing of LCDS has crashed.

4. Failure to plan to have enough canes to feed the new sugar factory.

5. Not having a visionary economic strategy since Oct 5, 1992.

6. Cussing America in Iran.

7. Telling the nation you are married but never sign a document.

8. Cussing Eusu Persaud.

9. Giving concessions to one company without Parliament approval. Cussing C. Ram for pointing this out but then had to go to Parliament and pass laws to offer a company (owned by the President's friend) the concessions.

10. Failure to address concerns of financial misdeeds in auditor general report.

11. Failure to move the Demerara/W. Berbice estates into renewable energy.

I will continue this list later. This should suffice for now.

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

SJ: Trotman was caught napping when PNC supporters exposed secret merger talks between himself and the PNC so in retaliation he has apparently launched a propaganda blitz. Earlier this week he tried to link the PNC and PPP to secret shared government talks.

His actions reeks of desperation, as his party has been caught napping.

Trotman told the PNC to apologize for its 28years and other atrocities. For that he was marginalized and had to leave. Hence, the man has character.

You are mis-informed about what Trotman said.

All Trotman said that they have to take some of the responsibilities for the situation guyana is in today. He never mentioned the PNC and he never mentioned crime..

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

SONA: Mistake? You call what happened to Gaumattie a mistake? The act was intentional, the outcome so intended, and you call it a mistake. So was it Khemraj's mistake or Trotman's? Or was it both?

TK, the good thing about a dual-leadership party is that one person can disavow mistakes...

It was a big mistake on the part of AFC. But I have a few bigger ones for you.

1. Not reforming the police/army as at Oct 5, 1992.

2.Asking a drug pusher to fight crimes. What are the quid pro quo.

3. The financing of LCDS has crashed.

4. Failure to plan to have enough canes to feed the new sugar factory.

5. Not having a visionary economic strategy since Oct 5, 1992.

6. Cussing America in Iran.

7. Telling the nation you are married but never sign a document.

8. Cussing Eusu Persaud.

9. Giving concessions to one company without Parliament approval. Cussing C. Ram for pointing this out but then had to go to Parliament and pass laws to offer a company (owned by the President's friend) the concessions.

10. Failure to address concerns of financial misdeeds in auditor general report.

11. Failure to move the Demerara/W. Berbice estates into renewable energy.

I will continue this list later. This should suffice for now.

So i guess all of the above makes the PPP and AFC even .........

Do fa do is nah obeah nuh

quote:

Originally posted by SJ4321:

quote:

Originally posted by Sona:
SJ, what are the odds of a Ramjattan/Trotman fall-out after the elections?

How long will it be before the AFC resorts to a lone-leadership party?

As soon as the elections results of 2011 are announced. Take a few steps back and remember the Gaumattie Singh debacle

I have stated on GNI numerous times ... paraphrase --:

"After the scheduled 2011 elections, it would be worst than World War XX in the AFC camp to determine who might occupy the one or possibly two seats the AFC might garner for MP seats."

Here are some bigger issues for you Rama!

1. Not reforming the police/army as at Oct 5, 1992.

2.Asking a drug pusher to fight crimes. What are the quid pro quo.

3. The financing of LCDS has crashed.

4. Failure to plan to have enough canes to feed the new sugar factory.

5. Not having a visionary economic strategy since Oct 5, 1992.

6. Cussing America in Iran.

7. Telling the nation you are married but never sign a document.

8. Cussing Eusu Persaud.

9. Giving concessions to one company without Parliament approval. Cussing C. Ram for pointing this out but then had to go to Parliament and pass laws to offer a company (owned by the President's friend) the concessions.

10. Failure to address concerns of financial misdeeds in auditor general report.

11. Failure to move the Demerara/W. Berbice estates into renewable energy.

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

SJ: Trotman was caught napping when PNC supporters exposed secret merger talks between himself and the PNC so in retaliation he has apparently launched a propaganda blitz. Earlier this week he tried to link the PNC and PPP to secret shared government talks.

His actions reeks of desperation, as his party has been caught napping.

Trotman told the PNC to apologize for its 28years and other atrocities. For that he was marginalized and had to leave. Hence, the man has character.

Professor it seems you have started to sully your good name by being part of this propagandist grouping of political underlings, by the way i see them every afternoon at Breda street, so you can tell Trotman and Ramjattan to look out for me.
The fact that Iran has committed to assist Guyana in mapping its mineral resources is good news for us along with the US$1.5M (GY$300M) grant it has allocated towards boosting the local health sector with its surgeons who by the way along with the Indian Surgeons are considered among the best in the world.

quote:

Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
You are mis-informed about what Trotman said.

All Trotman said that they have to take some of the responsibilities for the situation guyana is in today. He never mentioned the PNC and he never mentioned crime..

Neither did he apologize for being amongst the architects of the slow fire more fire campaign which destroyed a sizable portion of Regent street and several other government properties

quote:

DEM_GUY: have stated on GNI numerous times ... paraphrase --:

"After the scheduled 2011 elections, it would be worst than World War XX in the AFC camp to determine who might occupy the one or possibly two seats the AFC might garner for MP seats."

You are dead wrong as you typically are. Most AFC people are professionals and career people. We will just continue being lawyers, professors, engineers, doctors, etc. There is really no need to fight over seats. As for me I have goats to mine, bora and wiri wiri to plant and two books to write.

quote:

SJ: Neither did he apologize for being amongst the architects of the slow fire more fire campaign which destroyed a sizable portion of Regent street and several other government properties

He did more than apoligizing by forming a political party to fight against the following failures:

1. Not reforming the police/army as at Oct 5, 1992.

2.Asking a drug pusher to fight crimes. What are the quid pro quo.

3. The financing of LCDS has crashed.

4. Failure to plan to have enough canes to feed the new sugar factory.

5. Not having a visionary economic strategy since Oct 5, 1992.

6. Cussing America in Iran.

7. Telling the nation you are married but never sign a document.

8. Cussing Eusu Persaud.

9. Giving concessions to one company without Parliament approval. Cussing C. Ram for pointing this out but then had to go to Parliament and pass laws to offer a company (owned by the President's friend) the concessions.

10. Failure to address concerns of financial misdeeds in auditor general report.

11. Failure to move the Demerara/W. Berbice estates into renewable energy.

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

DEM_GUY: have stated on GNI numerous times ... paraphrase --:

"After the scheduled 2011 elections, it would be worst than World War XX in the AFC camp to determine who might occupy the one or possibly two seats the AFC might garner for MP seats."

You are dead wrong as you typically are. Most AFC people are professionals and career people. We will just continue being lawyers, professors, engineers, doctors, etc. There is really no need to fight over seats. As for me I have goats to mine, bora and wiri wiri to plant and two books to write.

You again, just like others have confirmed that that Trotman and his personal creation - the AFC party -- is an an ALLIANCE for the BOURGEOISE with little or no interest to uplift the masses of Guyanese.

quote:

Originally posted by SJ4321:

quote:

Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
You are mis-informed about what Trotman said.

All Trotman said that they have to take some of the responsibilities for the situation guyana is in today. He never mentioned the PNC and he never mentioned crime..

Neither did he apologize for being amongst the architects of the slow fire more fire campaign which destroyed a sizable portion of Regent street and several other government properties

Let us not forget his now infamous statement which provided the impetus for the crime spree which followed. he said " “is in the business of trying to get the government of the day out of office. There is nothing wrong with any statements which say that as an opposition party, we are attempting to remove the government.”

quote:

DEM_GUY: You again, just like others have confirmed that that Trotman and his personal creation - the AFC party -- is an an ALLIANCE for the BOURGGEOISE with little or no interst to uplift the masses of Guyanese.

BOURGGEOISE are not professionals. Check back the literature and educate yourself.

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

DEM_GUY: You again, just like others have confirmed that that Trotman and his personal creation - the AFC party -- is an an ALLIANCE for the BOURGGEOISE with little or no interst to uplift the masses of Guyanese.

BOURGGEOISE are not professionals. Check back the literature and educate yourself.

The AFC is a Bourgeoisie party, why can't they attract the small man?

quote:

Originally posted by TK:
Here are some bigger issues for you Rama!

1. Not reforming the police/army as at Oct 5, 1992.
Response:
The Police and army have been since reformed.

2.Asking a drug pusher to fight crimes. What are the quid pro quo.
Response:
You have to fight fire with fire. Set a thief to catch a thief. Sorry your friends in the PNC have been caught and dealt with.

3. The financing of LCDS has crashed.
Response:
It's not over until the Fat Lady sings.
So what the wole of the American econmy has crashed. The US had to depend on communist China for a bailout.

4. Failure to plan to have enough canes to feed the new sugar factory.
Response:
There are a shortage of sugar workers who want a better life than cutting cane.

5. Not having a visionary economic strategy since Oct 5, 1992.
Response: The country has made tremendous progress since jagdeo took over. Over 2000 projects have been completed.

6. Cussing America in Iran.
Response:
America needs cussing up. They are also in Iraq, Afghanistan and they are begging to go into Iran.

7. Telling the nation you are married but never sign a document.
Response:
That's the Hindu way. Signing a document does not make you hollier than thou. If this is your argument to ask the people to vote for the AFC then you are hopeless. jagdeo will make minsmeat out of you. The PPP will get 60% of the votes cast.

8. Cussing Eusu Persaud.
Response:
Eusu should show some manners when he adddresses the President.

9. Giving concessions to one company without Parliament approval. Cussing C. Ram for pointing this out but then had to go to Parliament and pass laws to offer a company (owned by the President's friend) the concessions.
Response: The president has the mandate and right to make such concessions. he does not need parliamentary approval. If you have the mojority, you make the decision and then ask Parliament to ratify it later.


10. Failure to address concerns of financial misdeeds in auditor general report.
Response:
All concerns were addressed.

11. Failure to move the Demerara/W. Berbice estates into renewable energy.

Response:
You mean affordable energy. That was done.

two thousands projects were completed by this administration.

Rome was not buily in a day.

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

SJ: He told the PNC to apologize but did he?

He did more than apologizing...he formed a political party and took on the useless PNC/PPP.

Hee hee hee ... Trotman creatd his personal plaything/ground ... the AFC ... and he then invited as playmates plus as tokenism ... Khemraj Ramjattan, Peter Ramsaroop and Tarron Khemraj on his-Trotman's property.

Haa haa haaa ... Ohhh Lawdooo ... Tarron Khemraj's mouth open ... story jump out.

quote:

Berbician: The AFC is a Bourgeoisie party, why can't they attract the small man?

So you have been to Accrebre and you don't knwo who the bourgeoisie are? Man even that you cant master.

quote:

RAMACANT: Response:
You mean affordable energy. That was done.

two thousands projects were completed by this administration.

Rome was not buily in a day.

Your answers are useless and weak. Come again!

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

DEM_GUY: You again, just like others have confirmed that that Trotman and his personal creation - the AFC party -- is an an ALLIANCE for the BOURGGEOISE with little or no interst to uplift the masses of Guyanese.

BOURGGEOISE are not professionals. Check back the literature and educate yourself.

What is the percentage of support from the workinng class .. masses ... non-professiona ... in Trotman's personal AFC creation?

What is the current level of support relative to the 8% the AFC gained in the 2006 elections?

What exactly is the percentage of political goodwill and support you have brought into Trotman's AFC creation to increase from its 8%??

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

RAMACANT: Response:
You mean affordable energy. That was done.

two thousands projects were completed by this administration.

Rome was not buily in a day.

Your answers are useless and weak. Come again!

No! I don't think so.

What is weak and baseless are your 11 point strategy to showcase the AFC to voters. There is nothing in your assumptions that will change the minds of guyanerse to vote for the AFC.

quote:

Originally posted by Demerara_Guy:
What exactly is the percentage of political goodwill you have brought into Trotman's AFC creation to increase from its 8%??

Negative Zero

quote:

DEM_GUY: What is the percentage of support from the workinng class .. masses ... non-professiona ... in Trotman's personal AFC creation?

What is the level of support relative to the 8% the AFC gained in the 2006 elections?

What exactly is the percentage of political goodwill you have brought into Trotman's AFC creation to increase from its 8%??

Cannot say until the poll is completed. Meanwhile, we need to put forward policies which seek to increase the welfare of the working class so they can achieve middle class and higher status. They must not just live at just above penury.

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

DEM_GUY: What is the percentage of support from the workinng class .. masses ... non-professiona ... in Trotman's personal AFC creation?

What is the level of support relative to the 8% the AFC gained in the 2006 elections?

What exactly is the percentage of political goodwill you have brought into Trotman's AFC creation to increase from its 8%??

Cannot say until the poll is completed. Meanwhile, we need to put forward policies which seek to increase the welfare of the working class so they can achieve middle class and higher status. They must not just live at just above penury.

That's what the PPP has been doing only to have them migrate to North America.

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

DEM_GUY: What is the percentage of support from the workinng class .. masses ... non-professiona ... in Trotman's personal AFC creation?

What is the level of support relative to the 8% the AFC gained in the 2006 elections?

What exactly is the percentage of political goodwill you have brought into Trotman's AFC creation to increase from its 8%??

Cannot say until the poll is completed. Meanwhile, we need to put forward policies which seek to increase the welfare of the working class so they can achieve middle class and higher status. They must not just live at just above penury.

Answer this very simple question... repeat ...:

What exactly is the percentage of political goodwill you have brought into Trotman's AFC creation to increase from its 8%??

quote:

SJ: Negative Zero

You see...Accrebre is a let down. There cannot be negative zero!!

quote:

Originally posted by Demerara_Guy:

Answer this very simple question... repeat ...:

What exactly is the percentage of political goodwill you have brought into Trotman's AFC creation to increase from its 8%??

Dem_Guy i notice you've been very hard on Tarron. Please thread carefully........don't want him to have anymore fits of rage

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

SJ: Negative Zero

You see...Accrebre is a let down. There cannot be negative zero!!

That is SJ's answer. What is yours?

quote:

Originally posted by SJ4321:

quote:

Originally posted by Demerara_Guy:

Answer this very simple question... repeat ...:

What exactly is the percentage of political goodwill you have brought into Trotman's AFC creation to increase from its 8%??

Dem_Guy i notice you've been very hard on Tarron. Please thread carefully........don't want him to have anymore fits of rage

don't forget it is 8% sympathy votes

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

DEM_GUY: What is the percentage of support from the workinng class .. masses ... non-professiona ... in Trotman's personal AFC creation?

What is the level of support relative to the 8% the AFC gained in the 2006 elections?

What exactly is the percentage of political goodwill you have brought into Trotman's AFC creation to increase from its 8%??

Cannot say until the poll is completed. Meanwhile, we need to put forward policies which seek to increase the welfare of the working class so they can achieve middle class and higher status. They must not just live at just above penury.

You cannot say ...yet the Trotman's personal AFC creation .. used this slogan ... paraphrase ..:

"From Third plac to First Choice."

Soooo ... Trotman was blowing hot air and no substance?

How did Trotman arrive at the conclusion that his AFC is "THE FIRST CHOICE'

quote:

Originally posted by TK:
There cannot be negative zero!!

In your case there is. Besides i thought you was the smart one..........unable to detect sarcasm.

And BTW: What exactly is the percentage of political goodwill you have brought into Trotman's AFC creation to increase from its 8%??

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

SJ: Negative Zero

You see...Accrebre is a let down. There cannot be negative zero!!

Me hear you went deh to but de dankey end up teking you ova.
DE AFC IS DE PARTY WITH DE DANKEY CART MENTALITY But we bai TK don't drink soup cause soup is poor people food he gat fu drink de AFC LATTE Bourgeoisie stuff

quote:

Originally posted by TK:

quote:

DEM_GUY: What is the percentage of support from the workinng class .. masses ... non-professiona ... in Trotman's personal AFC creation?

What is the level of support relative to the 8% the AFC gained in the 2006 elections?

What exactly is the percentage of political goodwill you have brought into Trotman's AFC creation to increase from its 8%??

Cannot say until the poll is completed. Meanwhile, we need to put forward policies which seek to increase the welfare of the working class so they can achieve middle class and higher status. They must not just live at just above penury.

Trotman's personal AFC creation should have articulated those policies prior to the 2006 elections.

It is about three and a half years after the 2006 elctions ... and Trotman's personal AFC is still developing policies.

Haaa haaa haaa ... suh deh AFC nah rally gat any sense ah directions since its inception ...??

quote:

DEM_GUY: What exactly is the percentage of political goodwill you have brought into Trotman's AFC creation to increase from its 8%??

Oh...sorry you were asking about me in particular. Most likely none...but we don't have a scientific way of knowing. And since the poll is not about me I am sure we will never know. My job is to add some logic and structure to the proposals. Also to campaign when the time arises.

quote:

Originally posted by TK:
My job is to add some logic and structure to the proposals. Also to campaign when the time arises.

And judging by what is coming out lately you haven't been doing a very good job either



I guess they made the right choice in you. Horayyyyyyyyyyy to the PPP come 2011

quote:

DE AFC IS DE PARTY WITH DE DANKEY CART MENTALITY But we bai TK don't drink soup cause soup

Eh...eh you like de dankey cart term eh? Here you go...

The nature of a donkey-cart economy
JUNE 15, 2009 | BY KNEWS | FILED UNDER LETTERS

Dear Editor,

Several opinions have been expressed recently in the letter columns ranging from the appropriateness of the Jagdeo Administration’s economic policy agenda (see Mr. Emile Mervin in SN 29-05-09; Dr. Henry Jeffrey in SN 08-06-09), the contribution of remittances to development (Dr. Prem Misir in SN 02-06-09), and the ethnic conflict logjam (Dr. Henry Jeffrey in SN 08-06-09).
I hope to use this letter to synthesize this discussion and situate it within the framework of a possible economic policy agenda for Guyana. I have recently argued that Guyana is jammed in a low-level developmental trap that I have labelled as a donkey-cart economy (SN 25-03-09). In this letter, I wish to formalize the definition of the donkey-cart economy and then briefly propose the policy tool kit that is necessary to get Guyana out from this perpetual low economic status. The letter concludes that the ethnic conflict within the context of a bi-communal society is the primary binding constraint preventing Guyana from progressing from the status of a donkey-cart economy to a corolla economy, to a Camry economy, to an Avalon economy, and finally to the Lexus economy.


The donkey-cart economy has the following characteristics:

1. The production of goods that are at the low end of the global hierarchy of products. In other words, we produce things that people really can do without. Our products are not as special as we would like to believe; not even in CARICOM, let alone the world.

2. Given number 1, it means the income elasticity of demand for the country’s primary exports is small. Meaning as world income (and CARICOM’s income) increases the demand for the country’s products will not rise accordingly. Sugar, for example, is clearly a product that fits the production profile of donkey-cart cart economy. Let’s face it, there is a finite amount of sugar the rich can consume (as a matter of fact, the rich might consume less sugar and sugar-related products as it is one way to stay slim). On the other hand, as the world gets richer we all consume more energy. Therefore, a superior strategy to save the Demerara estates would be ethanol and of course the bi-product of baggasse.

Furthermore, the Jagdeo Administration’s REDD strategy and low carbon development strategy are too narrow and are not likely to impact directly on job creation and industrial development. In addition to the REDD, what the country needs is to develop a bio-energy industrial base with cane sugar as a feedstock for this industrialization. However, the low carbon development strategy should be seen as only one policy measure in a portfolio of industrial policies necessary to raise the welfare of the masses.

3. The production structure of the donkey-cart economy is mainly in the form of low productivity goods and petty services. For instance, immediately after Mr. Hoyte’s ERP the country
stopped producing soaps, toothpaste and similar small consumer items and left it to the local importer in the name of liberalization. The country also destroyed its local plywood making firm and replaced it with a foreign multinational. In a donkey-cart economy it is never a good idea to destroy your manufacturing base no matter how inefficient and trivial it might seem. You have to work with the capitalist class in a industrial policy framework to make the manufacturing base superior.

4. The production structure is made up of products that allow little room for learning by doing, innovation and technological change – the critical ingredients for long-term growth in per capita GDP and higher living standards.

5. Remittances prop up private consumption and create a false sense of success among government officials and the masses.

6. Remittances and underground economic activities indirectly feed foreign exchange into the domestic foreign exchange market from which the central bank (BOG) buys to accumulate foreign reserves (a required target under the IMF’s financial programming). Thus, remittances help to maintain the IMF/WB’s much touted macroeconomic stability (there have been several pro-government letter writers promoting macroeconomic stability as a great achievement). Therefore, a donkey-cart economy can be stable with relatively low inflation (owing to exchange rate stability) as is the case with Guyana. But this notion of macroeconomic stability is narrow, short-term in focus, and does not imply a success on the production/supply side of the economy. This point will take a full academic paper to explicate.

7. The donkey-cart economy imports most of what it consumes. Thus remittances are mobilized by economic actors and are used to make payments for imports of even basic consumer items (some of which we stop producing after the ERP). Therefore, unlike what some IMF/WB literature have argued and have been cited in the local media (see Dr. Prem Misir in SN 02-06-09), remittances are highly unlikely to lead to productive domestic investments in the Guyana context.

8. The donkey-cart economy exports most of its skilled and educated workforce. According to the OECD, Guyana exports 83% of its skilled population (the highest percentage among developing economies). Hence, there is the depreciation of the human capital base, which is a critical ingredient for long-term growth and development. Furthermore, the depreciation of the human capital base also involves the downgrading of the entrepreneurial and risk taking base. Of course, the contribution of human capital to growth (of high quality) is well explicated by endogenous growth theory. Moreover, Guyana is not India and is unlikely to earn the touted brain gain (as Dr. Misir has assumed) as in the Indian case.

9. The government significantly depends on foreign aid and finance from IMF/WB/IDB and bi-lateral aid donors. Even small projects depend on these sources of financing. For instance, the CARICOM building and the Convention Centre were built by grants (with aid-tying I am sure).
10. The government depends on IMF/WB for policy advice and analysis.

Since 1988 – in collaboration with the IMF – the Guyana government has focused primarily on the short-term concept of macroeconomic stability. There has been success on some aspects, however. In addition to price stability, several structural and institutional reforms have been put in place such as financial sector liberalization, the VAT, and several legal reforms to facilitate business activities to name a few. These are the standard policy recommendations from the International Financial Institutions. Implicitly, they are premised on the notion that once the structural and institutional reforms are put in place – along with price stability – the markets and private sector will do the rest on the production/supply side. However, that’s a problematic view and the evidence would suggest that the production structure has not changed since 1988.
Therefore, what is required is a holistic industrial policy framework as outlined by economists like Ha-Joon Chang and Dani Rodrik. It is here where I disagree with Mr. Jeffrey that policy does not matter in the Guyana context (see Jeffrey in SN 08-06-09). An industrial policy framework is fundamentally different from central planning under the Burnham era. It is different from the very general National Development Strategy and certainly different from palliative set of anti-poverty strategies embedded in the Poverty Reduction Strategy Paper. It is very different from Mr. Hoyte’s ERP, which really were standard neo-liberal policies that contributed to the evaporation of the nascent manufacturing enterprises. To outline an industrial policy applicable to Guyana will take an entire research paper.

On the other hand, I agree with Jeffrey that the binding constraint facing Guyana is ethnic politics in a bi-communal setting (Mr. Ravi Dev has explained over the years that there are two ethnic security dilemmas in a bi-communal society like Guyana – the African and the Indian ethnic security dilemmas). While industrial policy is necessary, along with macroeconomic stability, to push Guyana forward and upgrade its production structure, this very policy toolkit will be impeded by the non-cooperative outcomes engendered by the titivated 1980 Burnham Constitution, the PPP’s democratic centralism, and the ethnic security dilemmas in a bi-communal setting. Why? Because industrial policies, which typically involve unconventional measures, will need the support and involvement of all ethnic groups. Therefore, unless this binding constraint is reversed, industrial policy is not likely to succeed, and the status of a donkey-cart economy is likely to linger indefinitely.

Is there a great leader who can pull the country together under a holistic and comprehensive industrial policy framework addressed at reversing the 10 characteristics of a donkey-cart economy so that the Guyanese people can obtain some dignity after all the years since May 26, 1966?

Tarron Khemraj

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Originally posted by TK:

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DEM_GUY: What exactly is the percentage of political goodwill you have brought into Trotman's AFC creation to increase from its 8%??

Oh...sorry you were asking about me in particular. Most likely none...but we don't have a scientific way of knowing. And since the poll is not about me I am sure we will never know. My job is to add some logic and structure to the proposals. Also to campaign when the time arises.

Sooooo ... since Trotman created his AFC ... Trotman plus his invited guests like Khemraj Ramjattan, Peter Ramsaroop, etc., were not fully pursuing things in a logical and structured manner on policies, interactions, etc., for CHANGES plus to indeed be touting the slogan ..."From Third Plac to First Choice." a[/i][/color]

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DEM_GUY: Sooooo ... since Trotman created his AFC ... Trotman plus his invited guests like Khemraj Ramjattan, Peter Ramsaroop, tc., were not fully pursuing things in a logical and structured manner on policies, interactions, etc., for CHANGES plus to indeed be touting the slogan ..."From Third Plac to First Choice."

It is a team effort. Everyone adds their pieces, logic and structures.

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Originally posted by TK:

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DE AFC IS DE PARTY WITH DE DANKEY CART MENTALITY But we bai TK don't drink soup cause soup

Eh...eh you like de dankey cart term eh? Here you go...

The nature of a donkey-cart economy
JUNE 15, 2009 | BY KNEWS | FILED UNDER LETTERS

The symbol of Trotman's AFC is the ... KEY.

Hence, perhaps, the AFC has the Experts to pursue DanKEY cart economic knowledge, policies and directions ... through Voodoo Economics.

Giddy-up giddy-up giddy-up with Trotman's AFC DanKEY cart economic policies wid Tarron Khemraj leading the parade.

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DEM_GUY: The symbol of Trotman's AFC is the ... KEY.

Hence, perhaps, the AFC has the Experts to pursue DanKEY cart economic policies and directions ... through Voodoo Economics.

Giddy-up giddy-up giddy-up with Trotman's AFC DanKEY cart economic policies.

Your font work is getting mundane and trite. You know it's the only thing you can add - font works. We look forward to your font works so please rethink your font colors, etc...

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Originally posted by TK:

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DEM_GUY: The symbol of Trotman's AFC is the ... KEY.

Hence, perhaps, the AFC has the Experts to pursue DanKEY cart economic policies and directions ... through Voodoo Economics.

Giddy-up giddy-up giddy-up with Trotman's AFC DanKEY cart economic policies.

Your font work is getting mundane and trite. You know it's the only thing you can add - font works. We look forward to your font works so please rethink your font colors, etc...

Your complete presence on GNI pushing your new-found place with Trotman's personal AFC creation is indeed mindane and trite ... and you have admitted that you have no political goodwill and support with the Guyanese voters/electorae to increase from its 8 percent.

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DEM_GUY: and you have admitted that you have no political goodwill and support with the Guyanese voters/electorae to increase from its 8 percent.

Well...at least I am trying right? We've got to take our position to the people. If they don't buy it well we have careers.

Meanwhile, work on your font colors.

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Originally posted by TK:

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DEM_GUY: and you have admitted that you have no political goodwill and support with the Guyanese voters/electorae to increase from its 8 percent.

Well...at least I am trying right? We've got to take our position to the people. If they don't buy it well we have careers.

Meanwhile, work on your font colors.

Trying and applying practical pragmatic exprience to achieve desired goals are two distinct items.

In your future deliberations ... perhaps were you to reflect on your stated notion of ... personally trying ... it might serve to open your vision that your views/statements, etc., are not the absolute ones as you present on the forum ... for indeed there are others whose views are different and better than yours.

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DEM_GUY: Trying and applying practical pragmatic exprience to achieve desired goals are two distinct items.

In your future deliberations ... perhaps were you to reflect on your stated notion of ... personally trying ... it might serve to open your vision that your views/statements, etc., are not the absolute ones as you present on the forum ... for indeed there are others whose views are different and better than yours.

I never made the claim my views are the only absolute ones...those are your views. However, I shall go on record as saying they are superior to the PPP's.

Work on those fonts!

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Originally posted by TK:

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DEM_GUY: Trying and applying practical pragmatic exprience to achieve desired goals are two distinct items.

In your future deliberations ... perhaps were you to reflect on your stated notion of ... personally trying ... it might serve to open your vision that your views/statements, etc., are not the absolute ones as you present on the forum ... for indeed there are others whose views are different and better than yours.

I never made the claim my views are the only absolute ones...those are your views. However, I shall go on record as saying they are superior to the PPP's.

Work on those fonts!

Work on gaining pragmatic practical transferable experience ... you would eventually find it to be useful.

Your views are not superior to those in the current Administration.

Granted that you might have a few views that are better, a few just on par and indeed many that are sub-par.

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DEM_GUY: Work on gaining pragmatic practical transferable experience ... you would eventually find it to be useful.

I have 15 + years as a bookkeeper, teacher, researcher, adviser, writer, father, husband, economist, etc?

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Originally posted by TK:

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DEM_GUY: Work on gaining pragmatic practical transferable experience ... you would eventually find it to be useful.

I have 15 + years as a bookkeeper, teacher, researcher, adviser, writer, father, husband, economist, etc?

That means absolutely zilch ... zero ... nada ... relative to your statement ... quote ... "However, I shall go on record as saying they are superior to the PPP's."

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DEM_GUY: However, I shall go on record as saying they are superior to the PPP's.

Ok Mr Fontie:

Let's take this up. Tell us about the status of the LCDS. Did the PPP obtain US$580 mill/year? How much Jagdeo got from Iran? What's the status of the 11 ethanol proposals? What is the rate of growth under Jagdeo? Why the left-wing PPP followed Hoyte's liberalization (neo-liberal) policies down to the last detail? Where was the PPP's overarching developmental strategy before the crashed LCDS?

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Originally posted by TK:
Ok Mr Fontie:

Like DG want a wuk at the Chronicle/GINA? Typesetting wuk does get good pay.

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Originally posted by TK:
[QUOTE]DEM_GUY: However, I shall go on record as saying they are superior to the PPP's.

Ok Mr Fontie:

Let's take this up. Tell us about the status of the LCDS. Did the PPP obtain US$580 mill/year? How much Jagdeo got from Iran? What's the status of the 11 ethanol proposals? What is the rate of growth under Jagdeo? Why the left-wing PPP followed Hoyte's liberalization (neo-liberal) policies down to the last detail? Where was the PPP's overarching developmental strategy before the crashed LCDS?

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Conclusion

The LCDS is a good step forward in terms of a proposal of new production sectors.


Reference Source:

The Low Carbon Development Strategy – LCDS

By Stabroek staff | September 16, 2009 in Daily, Features

Tarron Khemraj

http://www.stabroeknews.com/20...tegy-%E2%80%93-lcds/

Development Watch

Has Stabroek News correctly printed that as your conclusion on the LCD?

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Originally posted by Demerara_Guy:
Trying and applying practical pragmatic exprience to achieve desired goals are two distinct items.

In your future deliberations ... perhaps were you to reflect on your stated notion of ... personally trying ... it might serve to open your vision that your views/statements, etc., are not the absolute ones as you present on the forum ... for indeed there are others whose views are different and better than yours.

Ouchhhhhh! Don't hit Tarron so hard!

SJ, Please help Mr Fontie answer my questions. Thank you.

Tell us about the status of the LCDS. Did the PPP obtain US$580 mill/year? How much Jagdeo got from Iran? What's the status of the 11 ethanol proposals? What is the rate of growth under Jagdeo? Why the left-wing PPP followed Hoyte's liberalization (neo-liberal) policies down to the last detail? Where was the PPP's overarching developmental strategy before the crashed LCDS?

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Originally posted by Demerara_Guy:
Conclusion

The LCDS is a good step forward in terms of a proposal of new production sectors.


Reference Source:

The Low Carbon Development Strategy – LCDS

By Stabroek staff | September 16, 2009 in Daily, Features

Tarron Khemraj

http://www.stabroeknews.com/20...tegy-%E2%80%93-lcds/

Development Watch

Has Stabroek News correctly printed that as your conclusion on the LCD?[/QUOTE]

Lol........this is the wickedest kill eva!

Is whey Tarron gone?

Tarron in di garden hiding! Hiding! Tarron on GNI hiding! Hiding from D_G. Tarron.......where art thou?

SJ, Please help Mr Fontie answer my questions. Thank you.

Tell us about the status of the LCDS. Did the PPP obtain US$580 mill/year? How much Jagdeo got from Iran? What's the status of the 11 ethanol proposals? What is the rate of growth under Jagdeo? Why the left-wing PPP followed Hoyte's liberalization (neo-liberal) policies down to the last detail? Where was the PPP's overarching developmental strategy before the crashed LCDS??

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Originally posted by TK:
SJ, Please help Mr Fontie answer my questions. Thank you.

Tell us about the status of the LCDS. Did the PPP obtain US$580 mill/year? How much Jagdeo got from Iran? What's the status of the 11 ethanol proposals? What is the rate of growth under Jagdeo? Why the left-wing PPP followed Hoyte's liberalization (neo-liberal) policies down to the last detail? Where was the PPP's overarching developmental strategy before the crashed LCDS?

Yeah sure:

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Originally posted by Demerara_Guy:
Conclusion

The LCDS is a good step forward in terms of a proposal of new production sectors.


Reference Source:

The Low Carbon Development Strategy – LCDS

By Stabroek staff | September 16, 2009 in Daily, Features

Tarron Khemraj

http://www.stabroeknews.com/20...tegy-%E2%80%93-lcds/

Development Watch

Has Stabroek News correctly printed that as your conclusion on the LCD?[/QUOTE]

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Originally posted by TK:
SJ, Please help Mr Fontie answer my questions. Thank you.

Tell us about the status of the LCDS. Did the PPP obtain US$580 mill/year? How much Jagdeo got from Iran? What's the status of the 11 ethanol proposals? What is the rate of growth under Jagdeo? Why the left-wing PPP followed Hoyte's liberalization (neo-liberal) policies down to the last detail? Where was the PPP's overarching developmental strategy before the crashed LCDS?

You claimd that -- quote again .."However, I shall go on record as saying they are superior to the PPP's."

Tarron Khemraj ... conduct a well structured with defined guidelines to debate with the current Administration to prove to Guyanese; locally, internationally and indeed on GNI; that indeed your views are superior.

Repeating again for your benefit, my statement ...

"Your views are not superior to those in the current Administration.

Granted that you might have a few views that are better, a few just on par and indeed many that are sub-par."

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Originally posted by TK:

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DEM_GUY: Work on gaining pragmatic practical transferable experience ... you would eventually find it to be useful.

I have 15 + years as a bookkeeper, teacher, researcher, adviser, writer, father, husband, economist, etc?

And you chose to associate yourself with the AFC... with all that good track record and you end up joining a bunch of rejects... come on TK you can do better... or is that you do not know you can.

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Originally posted by Demerara_Guy:

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Originally posted by TK:
SJ, Please help Mr Fontie answer my questions. Thank you.

Tell us about the status of the LCDS. Did the PPP obtain US$580 mill/year? How much Jagdeo got from Iran? What's the status of the 11 ethanol proposals? What is the rate of growth under Jagdeo? Why the left-wing PPP followed Hoyte's liberalization (neo-liberal) policies down to the last detail? Where was the PPP's overarching developmental strategy before the crashed LCDS?

You claimd that -- quote again .."However, I shall go on record as saying they are superior to the PPP's."

Tarron Khemraj ... conduct a well structured with defined guidelines to debate with the current Administration to prove to Guyanese; locall, internationally and indeed on GNI; that indeed your views are superior.

Repeating again for your benefit, my statement ...

"Your views are not superior to those in the current Administration.

Granted that you might have a few views that are better, a few just on par and indeed many that are sub-par."

The majority of people in Guyana don't vote on issues and platform; they vote race.