Two years after, to be exact, on February 13,1955 there was a split in the PPP. Burnham, who was to later become the founder leader of the PNC, orchestrated this split. So the national unity that was forged by the PPP was shattered by an engineered division of the Party, which resulted in the formation of the PNC. So immediately it is manifested, that the formation of the PNC has its roots in disintegration, leaving one to question how can this party be trusted in forming coalitions

Whatever may be said, it cannot be denied however, that the PPP is and always has been an advocate for political alliances and political unity. In his victory speech, after the 1961 elections, Dr.Jagan again made the call for national unity and not just political unity.
“For our country has many problems; and as I think of what lies ahead what is to come, I am keenly conscious that I cannot face the task alone. It is not just my battle, it is our battle. And when I say our, I mean all Guianese so that I speak now not only to PPP supporters, but to all people here who have our country’s good at heart.” (Message from Guiana’s First Premier, Dr. Cheddi Jagan -
Sunday Broadcast - August 27, 1961 - after winning the August 21, 1961 General Elections)

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Originally posted by Berbician:
Two years after, to be exact, on February 13,1955 there was a split in the PPP. Burnham, who was to later become the founder leader of the PNC, orchestrated this split. So the national unity that was forged by the PPP was shattered by an engineered division of the Party, which resulted in the formation of the PNC. So immediately it is manifested, that the formation of the PNC has its roots in disintegration, leaving one to question how can this party be trusted in forming coalitions

What does this kind of political paleontology has to do with the present circumstance if not to illustrate how intractable is the stubbornness and consequential petrification of Guyanese politics as practiced by the PPP and the PNC? But you do not care about that.

On reflection, one never cares what caused the quarrel between the Montagues and the Capulets or the Hatfield and the McKoys. All the remembers and the only lesson learned is how tragically stupid were the results and how catastrophic it was for the society and lives connected to it. We do not give a damn about the archaeological digs into the PPP and PNC's past unless it is to offer a redemptive track.

Scholars in Shakespearean tragedies see clearly the Aristotelian forms playing our here. The Hubris of these parties ( their overwhelming pride and ignorance) keeps us in a state of crisis. It predicate more to suffering to come. Malicious agents like you are the Iagos, the Cassius the the Claudio, the Lady Mcbeth. Your task is to massage the lies and poison the minds of the society and blind them to reason.

Guyana awaits its anagnorisis ( recognition of the fault) and its perepatia, (its cleansing). My hope is that the AFC and with some clarity be the catharsis ( the cleansing agent) in this tragedy the PPP and the PNC has heaped on us.

"It is in the interest of the PNC to seek power sharing because they have no other legitimate route of acquiring some among of power. It is in their interest to acquires some power instead of not having any (being out of government totally). They know this; it is the only reason why they call for this today, and not 1992 or before 1992. In fact, this has nothing to do with the PNC; if the PNC was a white-oriented race, or the party was the PNJ, it would have no other choice other than the usual democratic form of the ballot or power-sharing. This attitude towards the acquiring of power is, in itself, fragile and therefore dangerous. "

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Originally posted by Berbician:
"It is in the interest of the PNC to seek power sharing because they have no other legitimate route of acquiring some among of power. It is in their interest to acquires some power instead of not having any (being out of government totally). They know this; it is the only reason why they call for this today, and not 1992 or before 1992. In fact, this has nothing to do with the PNC; if the PNC was a white-oriented race, or the party was the PNJ, it would have no other choice other than the usual democratic form of the ballot or power-sharing. This attitude towards the acquiring of power is, in itself, fragile and therefore dangerous. "

The person writing the above is dead wrong. A legitimate means to power other than power sharing does exist but the PPP does not want that either or they would see the prudence in it. Direct constituencies and an electoral system that prohibits the skewing of choice solely on racial lines can go a long way to solving the problem.

Unfortunately, the PPP, while they complain about the PNC's attempts at a "back door" to power, wants to get through the front door on a simple race based majority. That is not democracy that is tyranny based on race and as illustrated by many divisive societies the world over, a path to perpetual internecine violence.

Don't complain that the PNC are "criminals because they are violence prone". Consider yourselves the passive aggressives; the bull snorting and digging in the field because he thinks he has a right to it. Unfortunately, bulls can be roped and that is exactly what the PNC has been doing.

Bringing white people into this is an absurdity. It is about race so whatever hue that was cooping power solely on that basis would be facing similar violent dissent from others constituting the locked out.

This is much more interesting!!!

Rass man, thank God for Mr Webster.

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Originally posted by Mitwah:


This is much more interesting!!!

... Compared with the AFC ...

... Definitely ... Of course.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
Two years after, to be exact, on February 13,1955 there was a split in the PPP. Burnham, who was to later become the founder leader of the PNC, orchestrated this split. So the national unity that was forged by the PPP was shattered by an engineered division of the Party, which resulted in the formation of the PNC. So immediately it is manifested, that the formation of the PNC has its roots in disintegration, leaving one to question how can this party be trusted in forming coalitions

What does this kind of political paleontology has to do with the present circumstance s.

Please D2 Berbician is doing his job. He was given something to type on GNI by Luncheon, or Kwame, as it is an "AFC" site and he has been hired to give us news. You know "save" us from being corrupted by "anti-govt", ie. treasonous people who hate Guyana.

Let the man earn his US$200/m. Dont ask him to interpret what he typed.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
"It is in the interest of the PNC to seek power sharing because they have no other legitimate route of acquiring some among of power. It is in their interest to acquires some power instead of not having any (being out of government totally). They know this; it is the only reason why they call for this today, and not 1992 or before 1992. In fact, this has nothing to do with the PNC; if the PNC was a white-oriented race, or the party was the PNJ, it would have no other choice other than the usual democratic form of the ballot or power-sharing. This attitude towards the acquiring of power is, in itself, fragile and therefore dangerous. "

The person writing the above is dead wrong. A legitimate means to power other than power sharing does exist but the PPP does not want that either or they would see the prudence in it. Direct constituencies and an electoral system that prohibits the skewing of choice solely on racial lines can go a long way to solving the problem.

Unfortunately, the PPP, while they complain about the PNC's attempts at a "back door" to power, wants to get through the front door on a simple race based majority. That is not democracy that is tyranny based on race and as illustrated by many divisive societies the world over, a path to perpetual internecine violence.

Don't complain that the PNC are "criminals because they are violence prone". Consider yourselves the passive aggressives; the bull snorting and digging in the field because he thinks he has a right to it. Unfortunately, bulls can be roped and that is exactly what the PNC has been doing.

Bringing white people into this is an absurdity. It is about race so whatever hue that was cooping power solely on that basis would be facing similar violent dissent from others constituting the locked out.

The PPP and the PPP/C government have taken a firm stand on the side of talking, dialogue, negotiation and acting in good faith. But every time an initiative is taken this is either supported by the other side half-heartedly or later torpedoed. Then there are the innumerable instances when these overtures are plainly and out-rightly rejected. The doors opened by the Government to negotiations and discussions have been slammed in its face so often by the Opposition that it causes suspicions about where those elements want to take Guyana. And in fact makes the administration grow tired of such recalcitrant and politically backward attitude. This Government will not be bullied by the the PNC or any other entity, for to be subjected to that will be a betrayal to the electorate who put us there in the first place.

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The Legacy of the PNC in Coalition Politics

Publicly the tune of dialogue and discussions are sung. But quietly to its supporters the message is the opposite. That's what makes the nation wary of the motives of the main opposition. They talk the talk, but do not walk the walk. Empty talk is cheap and this must cease. People are tired of this counter-productive politicking. And the time for slamming close the doors to real national and constructive dialogue and discussion must end.

There is no such thing as a ligitimate reason to power sharing. The public outcry of a few who craved for power is not enough reason for venturing into a power shraing partnership, knowing fully well that you would be cheated.

The AFC said that they can win an election, so let them try.. It's democratic.

Guyana is not a democracy.

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Originally posted by Mitwah:
Guyana is not a democracy.

Says who?

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Originally posted by Berbician:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:
Guyana is not a democracy.

Says who?

By every objective standard.

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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Originally posted by Berbician:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:
Guyana is not a democracy.

Says who?

By every objective standard.

What is a democracy? Don't tell government of the People, by the people and for the people...
The people elected this government. They didn't steal the governmnet like the PNC did.

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mitwah:
Guyana is not a democracy.

Says who?

By every objective standard.

What is a democracy?[/QUOte

It is not just the holding elections my friend.

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mitwah:
Guyana is not a democracy.

Says who?

By every objective standard.

What is a democracy?[/QUOte

It is not just the holding elections my friend.

You didn't answer the question. or you want someone to do your talking for you?

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mitwah:
Guyana is not a democracy.

Says who?

By every objective standard.

What is a democracy?[/QUOte

It is not just the holding elections my friend.

You didn't answer the question. or you want someone to do your talking for you?

Rama,I gave you your answer. What do you want? The Athenian or Jeffersonian concept of democracy?

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mitwah:
Guyana is not a democracy.

Says who?

By every objective standard.

What is a democracy?[/QUOte

It is not just the holding elections my friend.

You didn't answer the question. or you want someone to do your talking for you?

Rama,I gave you your answer. What do you want? The Athenian or Jeffersonian concept of democracy?

You claimed that Guyana is not a democracy and cannot tell me what a democracy is. I want to hear it from you pen and not D2 et others.

Rama, what is democracy? I have never seen your definition.

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Originally posted by Mitwah:
Rama, what is democracy ? I have never seen your definition.

Freedom to buy liquor.

Given the pnc's track record, and the voter's reaction in the past elections, who in their right mind will want to collate with them, when so doing is the political kiss of death?

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Originally posted by Sona:
Given the pnc's track record, and the voter's reaction in the past elections, who in their right mind will want to collate with them, when so doing is the political kiss of death?

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mitwah:
Guyana is not a democracy.

Says who?

By every objective standard.

What is a democracy?[/QUOte

It is not just the holding elections my friend.

I agree but you haven't listed the other criteria, among which are freedom of the press, transparency and accountability, freedom of speech. Only recently DG made a post regarding a US based institute declaring Guyana to be free a major criteria for a democracy.

We are being told that Guyana is not free; Guyana is no democracy; Guyana has little economic development; Guyana marginalises Africans; etc. Today, I want to address the first two and determine whether this spin can backslide Guyana’s democracy to autocracy. Any exposition on freedom and democracy requires unearthing the PNC’s legacy of repression. Transition to democracy came in 1992 after 24 years of authoritarianism; when no institution made the government accountable to its people; an age of coercion, where PNC rulers saw no limits to their authority and regulated all social life.

Cheedi was always in favour of a coalition with the PNC.

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Originally posted by Berbician:
Guyana has little economic development; Guyana marginalises Africans; etc.

So address these points because you surely didnt in your little post. Address the fact that Barbados, a piece of a littel coral work a mere 166 square miles with a population no more talented than Guyanese and at least up to 35 years ago no more educated has a GDP 4X Guyana's.

As to AfroGuyanese alienation. Well given that virtually every one, other than the PPP< who analyzes Guyana society points to the ethnic insecurity dilemma of both the Indians and Africans as core to our poverty, which is why little islands like Antigua make us look so poor, why dont you give us evidence to indicate that AfroGuyanese are happy with their lot in life in Guyana and that the majority are pleased with the PPP.

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
Guyana has little economic development; Guyana marginalises Africans; etc.

So address these points because you surely didnt in your little post. Address the fact that Barbados, a piece of a littel coral work a mere 166 square miles with a population no more talented than Guyanese and at least up to 35 years ago no more educated has a GDP 4X Guyana's.

As to AfroGuyanese alienation. Well given that virtually every one, other than the PPP< who analyzes Guyana society points to the ethnic insecurity dilemma of both the Indians and Africans as core to our poverty, which is why little islands like Antigua make us look so poor, why dont you give us evidence to indicate that AfroGuyanese are happy with their lot in life in Guyana and that the majority are pleased with the PPP.

We are being bombarded on a daily basis by political opportunists that there is marginalization of Afro Guyanese without presenting any evidence of such. To date we have not been presented with any evidence of such marginalization, saying that marginalization exists is not sufficient to prove its existence one needs to show tangible evidence of such, lets' hear from the "victims" of such marginalization.

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Originally posted by Berbician:

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
Guyana has little economic development; Guyana marginalises Africans; etc.

So address these points because you surely didnt in your little post. Address the fact that Barbados, a piece of a littel coral work a mere 166 square miles with a population no more talented than Guyanese and at least up to 35 years ago no more educated has a GDP 4X Guyana's.

As to AfroGuyanese alienation. Well given that virtually every one, other than the PPP< who analyzes Guyana society points to the ethnic insecurity dilemma of both the Indians and Africans as core to our poverty, which is why little islands like Antigua make us look so poor, why dont you give us evidence to indicate that AfroGuyanese are happy with their lot in life in Guyana and that the majority are pleased with the PPP.

We are being bombarded on a daily basis by political opportunists that there is marginalization of Afro Guyanese without presenting any evidence of such. To date we have not been presented with any evidence of such marginalization, saying that marginalization exists is not sufficient to prove its existence one needs to show tangible evidence of such, lets' hear from the "victims" of such marginalization.

Cheddi never wanted it to be so.

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Originally posted by Mitwah:

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Originally posted by Berbician:

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
Guyana has little economic development; Guyana marginalises Africans; etc.

So address these points because you surely didnt in your little post. Address the fact that Barbados, a piece of a littel coral work a mere 166 square miles with a population no more talented than Guyanese and at least up to 35 years ago no more educated has a GDP 4X Guyana's.

As to AfroGuyanese alienation. Well given that virtually every one, other than the PPP< who analyzes Guyana society points to the ethnic insecurity dilemma of both the Indians and Africans as core to our poverty, which is why little islands like Antigua make us look so poor, why dont you give us evidence to indicate that AfroGuyanese are happy with their lot in life in Guyana and that the majority are pleased with the PPP.

We are being bombarded on a daily basis by political opportunists that there is marginalization of Afro Guyanese without presenting any evidence of such. To date we have not been presented with any evidence of such marginalization, saying that marginalization exists is not sufficient to prove its existence one needs to show tangible evidence of such, lets' hear from the "victims" of such marginalization.

Cheddi never wanted it to be so.

Jagdeo has continued and is continuing Cheddi's legacy, he has not turned away from. However many believe that politics is static hence their skewed thoughts that Jagdeo has strayed, they have divorced the fact that politics is evolving and the demographics and the shifts in paradigms in the International arena dictate that Guyana's policy are fit into those paradigm shifts.
Cheddie refused to open the central bank, Jagdeo has continued this legacy. The environment is another case study, Cheddi Jagan long thought that our standing forests could be used to facilitate debt write off Jagdeo has the LCDS.

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Originally posted by Berbician:
We are being bombarded on a daily basis by political opportunists that there is marginalization of Afro Guyanese without presenting any evidence of such..

So Berbician, aside from your inability to name blacks who head govt entities, that is aside from around 5 PPP party card carriers, and aside from your inability to tell us why after 14 years of PPP misrule they still failed to get more than 10% of the African and mixed vote (less than 10% I suspect if we excluded the mixed voters) why dont you furnish evidence then that;

1. AfroGuyanese are happy with PPP rule and feel that they can expect to be treated fairly;

2. That AfroGuyanese do not perceive any discrimination against them in employment, promotions, contract awards, access to loans, etc.

Now if you do that dont you think you will no longer be "bombarded" by these accusations? But it does seem like you lack evidence to disprove these claims so you engage in rhetorical nonsense.

Berbician facts are that voting in Guyana is based on race. Not that Africans as an example love the PNC because they clearly dont. They just view the PPP to consist of a bunch of black haters. So they held their noses and voted PNC and some others AFC and many others decided not to vote.

I note that you have been unable to prove that while the PNC/AFC get mainly black and mixed votes yet the PPP has made inroads of at least 25% into this bloc.

I do recall two boasts prior to the alst election.

1. That the PPP would get more black votes than the AFC.

2. The PPP would win Region 10.

Well they did neither and were beaten by the AFC a party with no track record nor standing a credible chance of winning.

It must be known that it is due to the failure to reach political accommodation with the opposition parties that we have had the formation of the Civic component of the PPP which went on to the elections of 1992 and continues to do so until this day. Under this arrangement, the Presidential candidate was drawn from the PPP while the Prime Ministerial candidate came from the Civic component.

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Originally posted by Berbician:
we have had the formation of the Civic component of the PPP .

The PPP cant work with teh REAL opposituion so they invent one? Who is Civic. When last have they met. What is their platform.....please the civic is a waste of time. At least the "Reform" had the decency to see that they were bing used and quit the PNC.

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
we have had the formation of the Civic component of the PPP .

The PPP cant work with teh REAL opposituion so they invent one? Who is Civic. When last have they met. What is their platform.....please the civic is a waste of time. At least the "Reform" had the decency to see that they were bing used and quit the PNC.

the real opposition wants Cabinet posts, this is what they understand by shared Governance and we will never give it to them. Like Stabroek news and others, when shared Governance is being spoken of, they do not mean having a voice in the decision making apparatus of this country, they want the opposition to be the only voice, the PPP will not be bullied certainly not by the PNC

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
we have had the formation of the Civic component of the PPP .

The PPP cant work with teh REAL opposituion so they invent one? Who is Civic. When last have they met. What is their platform.....please the civic is a waste of time. At least the "Reform" had the decency to see that they were bing used and quit the PNC.

The CIVIC means that the PPP is inclusive. All the members appear on the electoral list of candidates for the house of Parliament.

What kind of racism are you propelling now? Why would the CIVIC quit the government when they can run it?. The Prime Minister is a civic member of parliament.

Dr Jagan first issued this statement "“For our country has many problems; and as I think of what lies ahead what is to come, I am keenly conscious that I cannot face the task alone. It is not just my battle, it is our battle. And when I say our, I mean all Guianese so that I speak now not only to PPP supporters, but to all people here who have our country’s good at heart.” (Message from Guiana’s First Premier, Dr. Cheddi Jagan) today that very statement has been adopted as a policy position by the ruling PPP/C government. But as pointed with this calls for inclusive governance or shared governance, we have come to the realization that it means different things for different people.

In any Shared governance, The PPP must retain the control of finance, Civil service, judiciary, army and p[olice, or there would be nothing shared.

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RAMA: In any Shared governance, The PPP must retain the control of finance, Civil service, judiciary, army and p[olice, or there would be nothing shared.

That's a perverse view!!! These entities MUST be independent of political control and professional. Laws can be put in place to make it happen.

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Originally posted by TK:

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RAMA: In any Shared governance, The PPP must retain the control of finance, Civil service, judiciary, army and p[olice, or there would be nothing shared.

That's a perverse view!!! These entities MUST be independent of political control and professional. Laws can be put in place to make it happen.

Laws can be manupulated as Burnham had done..

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RAMA: Laws can be manupulated as Burnham had done..

That's because you guys allow Forbes to write the laws to suit himself.

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Originally posted by TK:

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RAMA: Laws can be manupulated as Burnham had done..

That's because you guys allow Forbes to write the laws to suit himself.

No1 We didn't allow him. The 5% of Indos who opposed Cheddi did.

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Originally posted by TK:

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RAMA: In any Shared governance, The PPP must retain the control of finance, Civil service, judiciary, army and p[olice, or there would be nothing shared.

That's a perverse view!!! These entities MUST be independent of political control and professional. Laws can be put in place to make it happen.

That's the Government's right the people gave them that right now who are you to attempt to take it away? You want us to give positions to rapists and known corrupt individuals for the sake of what again? good governance, you can't be this shallow.

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Berbician: You want us to give positions to rapists and known corrupt individuals for the sake of what again? good governance, you can't be this shallow.

No! I don't want that. Also I don't think incompentent men with PhDs who write as Elizabeth Daly and Kimerly Edwards should be given anything!

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Originally posted by TK:

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Berbician: You want us to give positions to rapists and known corrupt individuals for the sake of what again? good governance, you can't be this shallow.

No! I don't want that. Also I don't think incompentent men with PhDs who write as Elizabeth Daly and Kimerly Edwards should be given anything!

With what yardstick do you measure imcompetence??

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by TK:

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Berbician: You want us to give positions to rapists and known corrupt individuals for the sake of what again? good governance, you can't be this shallow.

No! I don't want that. Also I don't think incompentent men with PhDs who write as Elizabeth Daly and Kimerly Edwards should be given anything!

With what yardstick do you measure imcompetence??

Failure to control crime, lift the nation from poverty or seeking active measures to reform our divisive political system are sufficient measures here.

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Originally posted by TK:

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Berbician: You want us to give positions to rapists and known corrupt individuals for the sake of what again? good governance, you can't be this shallow.

No! I don't want that. Also I don't think incompentent men with PhDs who write as Elizabeth Daly and Kimerly Edwards should be given anything!

That's something i can't reconcile how can someone be incompetent and have a Phd, this would only suggest that you have missed the point, you cannot be incompetent and yet have a Phd

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Originally posted by Berbician:

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Originally posted by TK:

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Berbician: You want us to give positions to rapists and known corrupt individuals for the sake of what again? good governance, you can't be this shallow.

No! I don't want that. Also I don't think incompentent men with PhDs who write as Elizabeth Daly and Kimerly Edwards should be given anything!

That's something i can't reconcile how can someone be incompetent and have a Phd, this would only suggest that you have missed the point, you cannot be incompetent and yet have a Phd

Low lying fruit . . . anyone?

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Originally posted by redux:

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Originally posted by Berbician:

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Originally posted by TK:

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Berbician: You want us to give positions to rapists and known corrupt individuals for the sake of what again? good governance, you can't be this shallow.

No! I don't want that. Also I don't think incompentent men with PhDs who write as Elizabeth Daly and Kimerly Edwards should be given anything!

That's something i can't reconcile how can someone be incompetent and have a Phd, this would only suggest that you have missed the point, you cannot be incompetent and yet have a Phd

Low lying fruit . . . anyone?

What's Premium Misery up to these days?

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Originally posted by BLACKBEARD:

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Originally posted by redux:

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Originally posted by Berbician:

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Originally posted by TK:

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Berbician: You want us to give positions to rapists and known corrupt individuals for the sake of what again? good governance, you can't be this shallow.

No! I don't want that. Also I don't think incompentent men with PhDs who write as Elizabeth Daly and Kimerly Edwards should be given anything!

That's something i can't reconcile how can someone be incompetent and have a Phd, this would only suggest that you have missed the point, you cannot be incompetent and yet have a Phd

Low lying fruit . . . anyone?

What's Premium Misery up to these days?

I DEMAND credit for the assist

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Originally posted by BLACKBEARD:

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Originally posted by redux:

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Originally posted by Berbician:

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Originally posted by TK:

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Berbician: You want us to give positions to rapists and known corrupt individuals for the sake of what again? good governance, you can't be this shallow.

No! I don't want that. Also I don't think incompentent men with PhDs who write as Elizabeth Daly and Kimerly Edwards should be given anything!

That's something i can't reconcile how can someone be incompetent and have a Phd, this would only suggest that you have missed the point, you cannot be incompetent and yet have a Phd

Low lying fruit . . . anyone?

What's Premium Misery up to these days?

Fantasizing and Posting on GNI.