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Originally posted by Rishikesh:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by caribj:
Indians are well aware of the social problems which confront them and trust me, they are talking about it..

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Originally posted by Berbician:
other nations who wish to tell us about how to solve our crime problems, our rate is way below theirs.

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:
Insofar as one group’s behavior is likely to impact upon the safety and well being of the wider society, it is entirely appropriate to comment upon it. .

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Originally posted by Mitwah:
Guyana authorities no match for druglords

Al Jazeera's Monica Villamizar reports from the the capital city of Georgetown that the authorities are no match for the druglords.

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:
Guyana authorities no match for druglords

Al Jazeera's Monica Villamizar reports from the the capital city of Georgetown that the authorities are no match for the druglords.

Rishikesh most of these druglords are Indians who are responsible for illegally importing massive amounts of weaponery now used to terrorize Guyanese. Be a man and take responsility for that next time you go on your black bashing rant.

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:
Insofar as one group’s behavior is likely to impact upon the safety and well being of the wider society, it is entirely appropriate to comment upon it. .

So why your failure to comment on violent crime committed buy Indians in Berbice. Or is crime only of concern to you when the perpetrators are blacks?

The ones who consider me racist are all PPP supporters who condone the virtual exclusion of AfroGuyanese, aside from about 5 PPP card carriers, from decision making positions within Guyana. I can only wonder whats racist about discussing that. Can you tell me? Or did you think that when Indians called Burnham a racist they were racists for making such accustions?

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Originally posted by Berbician:
But Waddell was and got what he deserved.

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Originally posted by Berbician:
isn't Sydney King

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Originally posted by caribj:

So why dont you solve them and stop worrying about black people? The problems are getting worse as violent crime as an example was almost non existent 35 years ago but now quite pervasive based on what we see in Berbice.

Furnish proof that blacks refuse to acknowledge the self inflicted pathologies that exists within segments of the balck community. No need to go too far when Gates had a special I believe on PBS a while back discussing the black under class in Chicago. Michael Erik Dyson's OWN brother who has a criminal record blamed HIMSELF for this in a CNN special on blacks in 2008.

No politicians or intellectual like Michael Erik Dyson are acceptable as they have their own agendas. You seemingly forgot what the Million man March where the whole day was about black people acknowledging their faults as acommunity and as individuals and teh need to develop mechanisms tio resolve them.

Show me a society with a massive urban poor, social inequality and corruption and I will show you crime. El Salvador, a very dangerous, country has virtually no blacks. Mexico, also dangerous, ditto. Russia and many others. Gklasgow, very dangerous, the most dangerous city in the UK. Few blacks.

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
But Waddell was and got what he deserved.

The murder of a journalist by the govt of Guyana using mercenaries managed by a drug dealer is why Norway has tod, the World Bank to take the $30M and make sure that Guyanese authorites dont steal it. This is whare Guyana is now. They cannot be trusted not to be corrupt.

The Norweigians read the comments made the the DG of UNESCO about the killing of an opposition journalist.

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Originally posted by D2:
You apparently would know the state of the temple since secured a perch there.

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:

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Originally posted by D2:
You apparently would know the state of the temple since secured a perch there.

Perch? Did you say perch, little man? Do you mean to say that you still perch when you do it, even though you have left the Guyana bush these many moons ago? Tsk! Tsk! I guess old habits die hard. But risky business that. The hazards of perching on porcelain are well documented. But perhaps your feet have undergone reverse evolution over time and developed the superior gripping abilities of the tree top primates of the Guyana rainforest? Well, if you must, you must. But do be careful afterwards, will you? The poison ivy leaves of the US are not the same as the jamoon leaves of your native Guyana, and the consequences are altogether too painful to contemplate!

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Originally posted by Mitwah:

Why is the Administration allowing this type of a personal attacks and disparaging remarks about the Amerind people of Guyana?

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:

Why is the Administration allowing this type of a personal attacks and disparaging remarks about the Amerind people of Guyana?

If you are representative of the "AFC types", then I will have great concerns about Guyana if that party ever gets into power. You failed to complain about his personal attacks when he started calling people "fools" and "simpletons". You failed to object to his derogatory remarks about Indians with names like "Rugabeer" and Indians being slaves. But here you are expressing outrage that he is being given a taste of his own medicine. Learn to be objective and fair, and you and your party will have earned my respect. I get the impression that you people are trying too hard to be recognized as a viable third party. You come through as being a desperate and power hungry bunch who seem to have adopted Burnham's Bible, Machiavelli's the Prince, to achieve your objectives. And, by the way, what is so Amerindian about perching in the bush? I think that most older people in rural Guyana have done it at some point or the other in their lives.

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Originally posted by Mitwah:

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:

Why is the Administration allowing this type of a personal attacks and disparaging remarks about the Amerind people of Guyana?

If you are representative of the "AFC types", then I will have great concerns about Guyana if that party ever gets into power. You failed to complain about his personal attacks when he started calling people "fools" and "simpletons". You failed to object to his derogatory remarks about Indians with names like "Rugabeer" and Indians being slaves. But here you are expressing outrage that he is being given a taste of his own medicine. Learn to be objective and fair, and you and your party will have earned my respect. I get the impression that you people are trying too hard to be recognized as a viable third party. You come through as being a desperate and power hungry bunch who seem to have adopted Burnham's Bible, Machiavelli's the Prince, to achieve your objectives. And, by the way, what is so Amerindian about perching in the bush? I think that most older people in rural Guyana have done it at some point or the other in their lives.

You are a racist.

Name calling is a Guyanese culture. It has no effect on me.

It's seems the only reason you are here is to track his posts and attack him and the Amerind people way of life. I do care about the Amerindian people. D2 can hold his own and he does not need me to defend or speak up for him. So far he has responded to you in kind.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:

Why is the Administration allowing this type of a personal attacks and disparaging remarks about the Amerind people of Guyana?

If you are representative of the "AFC types", then I will have great concerns about Guyana if that party ever gets into power. You failed to complain about his personal attacks when he started calling people "fools" and "simpletons". You failed to object to his derogatory remarks about Indians with names like "Rugabeer" and Indians being slaves. But here you are expressing outrage that he is being given a taste of his own medicine. Learn to be objective and fair, and you and your party will have earned my respect. I get the impression that you people are trying too hard to be recognized as a viable third party. You come through as being a desperate and power hungry bunch who seem to have adopted Burnham's Bible, Machiavelli's the Prince, to achieve your objectives. And, by the way, what is so Amerindian about perching in the bush? I think that most older people in rural Guyana have done it at some point or the other in their lives.

You are a racist.

Name calling is a Guyanese culture. It has no effect on me.

It's seems the only reason you are here is to track his posts and attack him and the Amerind people way of life. I do care about the Amerindian people. D2 can hold his own and he does not need me to defend or speak up for him. So far he has responded to you in kind.

Dumb 2 now meet he meter...his ole ass hiding...come out and play yu damm PPP hater.

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Originally posted by Mitwah:

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:

Why is the Administration allowing this type of a personal attacks and disparaging remarks about the Amerind people of Guyana?

If you are representative of the "AFC types", then I will have great concerns about Guyana if that party ever gets into power. You failed to complain about his personal attacks when he started calling people "fools" and "simpletons". You failed to object to his derogatory remarks about Indians with names like "Rugabeer" and Indians being slaves. But here you are expressing outrage that he is being given a taste of his own medicine. Learn to be objective and fair, and you and your party will have earned my respect. I get the impression that you people are trying too hard to be recognized as a viable third party. You come through as being a desperate and power hungry bunch who seem to have adopted Burnham's Bible, Machiavelli's the Prince, to achieve your objectives. And, by the way, what is so Amerindian about perching in the bush? I think that most older people in rural Guyana have done it at some point or the other in their lives.

You are a racist.

Name calling is a Guyanese culture. It has no effect on me.

It's seems the only reason you are here is to track his posts and attack him and the Amerind people way of life. I do care about the Amerindian people. D2 can hold his own and he does not need me to defend or speak up for him. So far he has responded to you in kind.

Dumb 2 now meet he meter...his ole ass hiding...come out and play yu damm PPP hater.

I don't hate the PPP/C. I hate the corruption, cronism and its moral bankruptcy..... I am one of the many thousands of disenchated supporters.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:

Why is the Administration allowing this type of a personal attacks and disparaging remarks about the Amerind people of Guyana?

If you are representative of the "AFC types", then I will have great concerns about Guyana if that party ever gets into power. You failed to complain about his personal attacks when he started calling people "fools" and "simpletons". You failed to object to his derogatory remarks about Indians with names like "Rugabeer" and Indians being slaves. But here you are expressing outrage that he is being given a taste of his own medicine. Learn to be objective and fair, and you and your party will have earned my respect. I get the impression that you people are trying too hard to be recognized as a viable third party. You come through as being a desperate and power hungry bunch who seem to have adopted Burnham's Bible, Machiavelli's the Prince, to achieve your objectives. And, by the way, what is so Amerindian about perching in the bush? I think that most older people in rural Guyana have done it at some point or the other in their lives.

You are a racist.

Name calling is a Guyanese culture. It has no effect on me.

It's seems the only reason you are here is to track his posts and attack him and the Amerind people way of life. I do care about the Amerindian people. D2 can hold his own and he does not need me to defend or speak up for him. So far he has responded to you in kind.

Dumb 2 now meet he meter...his ole ass hiding...come out and play yu damm PPP hater.

I don't hate the PPP/C. I hate the corruption, cronism and its moral bankruptcy..... I am one of the many thousands of disenchated supporters.

ah feel yu but supporting a bunch of rejected criminals is not cool...be smart bro

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Originally posted by Berbician:
By the way amid Government’s attempts at crime fighting, we should not lose sight of the fact that there is some political link to the criminality, and indeed, this compounds the criminal problem, and we the people need to stock of this known fact of our daily lives in Guyana.

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by caribj:


Caribj,

Let us be brutally frank here. Guyanese in general and Indians in particular are more fearful of violent crimes perpetrated by Blacks rather than Indians. Surely you are not naïve enough to think that concerns about alcohol abuse and suicide would take precedence over the ever present threat to life, limb and property posed by Black bandits? Of course there is a concern about the instances of violent crimes by Indians in some parts of the country, but by and large, Blacks are viewed as the greatest threat at this time. Be a man and acknowledge this.

Do we need to look any further than you to see the most immediate example of a Black who is in denial? Why else would you dismiss as “black bashing rant” statistics generated by your own government? Why would you cover your ears and shout “SHUT UP!” when presented with facts which you claim are already acknowledged by the Black community? You find the truth unpalatable, don’t you Caribj? Instead of shooting the messenger, why don’t you deal with the message? You have so far avoided answering any of my questions. So be a man and answer this:

Why is there a PERSISTENT pattern of high murder rates in all US cities with Black majority populations? And don’t bring the tired old excuse of poverty, which you obliquely offered up. It plays a role, but it could not alone explain the extraordinarily high murder rates in Black cities in the affluent US. And please don’t drag in red herrings like dirt poor El Salvador to provide you comfort and justification for the high Black murder rates in the affluent US. No one ever claimed that Blacks have the monopoly on high murder rates around the world. This discussion started out as a comparison of murder rates between Guyana and the US, so be a man and deal with it instead of desperately floundering around elsewhere for justification.

If poverty could explain the high murder rates in US Black cities, why would a city like New Orleans, which has a per capita income that is 10 times higher than Guyana, have a murder rate that is four times higher? Your explanation would also make a total mockery of your own much flaunted “low” murder rate for New York city. If poverty were the only explanation for high murder rates, Guyana is doing spectacularly well against both your beloved New York and the Great US. Guyana’s per capita income is at least twelve times smaller than New York, yet it has a murder rate that is just two and a half times higher. Compared to the US, Guyana has a per capita income twelve times smaller, yet its murder rate is a mere three times higher. All the “depressed” US Black majority cities under consideration have per capita incomes far in excess of Guyana, yet their murder rates are far higher. The high murder rates are not commensurate with the relative affluence of these Black majority cities. Be a man and explain it.

Perhaps, it is time that we take a look at these “self-inflicted pathologies”, to which you alluded. Would you care to elaborate on them? Would they, perchance, include the absentee father syndrome? And are there any parallels that can be drawn with Guyana? Would you say that any of these “self-inflicted pathologies” have a bearing on the fact that at least 90% of the young offenders at the New Opportunity Corps, Onderneeming on the Essequibo coast tend to be Blacks? And do they have any bearing on the following case? In a certain village in Guyana (mixed population), gangs of labourers employed to weed the drains and trenches were observed to be all Indians. This is under the President’s programme to create employment in rural areas by paying people $25,000 per month to help keep the villages clean. When the village overseer, herself Black, was asked why it was she wasn’t offering jobs to the unemployed Black village youths, she replied that they bluntly refused, saying that the work was too menial and the pay was too small. They preferred to lime at the street corners, smoke ganja and engage in petty thefts – for now. Does poverty come in here? Be a man and be honest for a change.

Let me be clear: I don’t hold up Indians to be paragons of virtue. I abhor the “rum sucking” so prevalent in Indian communities, and the resulting domestic abuse. There is certainly evidence pointing to Indians being involved in the drug trade, but that is just as true for Blacks. It is a concern that Indian youngsters are being increasingly exposed to, and embracing, the violent lyrics of Jamaican Dancehall music, a genre that is blamed for much of the violence in its country of origin. It is entirely possible that over time, as their values become shaped by these negative forces, we may see a change in the demographics of crime. Conversely, we may see a reversal in the high crime rates in the Black communities if they are exposed to positive, value changing experiences.

Ultimately, this discussion is not about which race is the most pious. It is about searching for answers to the crime problems which beset us collectively, based on the available evidence. But unless we acknowledge that the problem exists, pinpoint its source and diagnose its causes, we are not going to be going anywhere fast.

And next time overseas based Guyanese mindlessly blog about how scared they are to leave the safe, well-governed US to visit poor, dangerous Guyana, remember Caribj’s own words: “Show me a society with a massive urban poor, social inequality and corruption and I will show you crime.” He wasn’t talking about Third World Guyana, but of the great USA.

And Berbician, please don’t be lulled into complacency into thinking that the PPP has made Guyana safer and that there is no room for improvement. The Guyana Police needs to develop its forensics capabilities. The Mona Campus of UWI offers a Masters programme in Forensics Science – is anyone being sent on the programme there? Why is it that so many citizens complain about 911 calls going unanswered in times of emergency? Why is the response time of police to crime scenes so abysmally slow? Why aren’t high-def surveillance cameras being deployed more ubiquitously and strategically – at every traffic light, boat crossings, bridges, business and government buildings?

I wish I had the time, energy or inclination to engage in a protracted discussion of these issues, but I don’t. I will check in whenever I can.

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Originally posted by Fu Real:
caribj, black people are well known not only in Guyana but around the world for the great part they play in crimes of all kind.

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:

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Originally posted by D2:
You apparently would know the state of the temple since secured a perch there.

Perch? Did you say perch, little man? Do you mean to say that you still perch when you do it, even though you have left the Guyana bush these many moons ago? Tsk! Tsk! I guess old habits die hard. But risky business that. The hazards of perching on porcelain are well documented. But perhaps your feet have undergone reverse evolution over time and developed the superior gripping abilities of the tree top primates of the Guyana rainforest? Well, if you must, you must. But do be careful afterwards, will you? The poison ivy leaves of the US are not the same as the jamoon leaves of your native Guyana, and the consequences are altogether too painful to contemplate!

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Originally posted by Berbician:
the easiest way to reduce fear of crime is not to cut crime to self, but to convince people that bad things are unlikely to happen to them. At first glance that sounds reasonable; but it risks turning the police into public relations officers and lowering people’s natural defences against crime.” The President and other government officials recognizing a drop in the crime rate and an overnight rise in the level of comfort among the population cautioned all against complacency and warned that crime has not been eliminated. The law enforcement agencies are still on a state of high alert and additional anticrime measures continue to be pursued. For the administration, the approach chosen to fight the fear of crime is to go after the criminals, apprehend them and destroy their network. It is simply a policy of zero-tolerance where and whenever criminals are caught in the act. This is the best way to remove the fear of crime.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
the easiest way to reduce fear of crime is not to cut crime to self, but to convince people that bad things are unlikely to happen to them. At first glance that sounds reasonable; but it risks turning the police into public relations officers and lowering people’s natural defences against crime.” The President and other government officials recognizing a drop in the crime rate and an overnight rise in the level of comfort among the population cautioned all against complacency and warned that crime has not been eliminated. The law enforcement agencies are still on a state of high alert and additional anticrime measures continue to be pursued. For the administration, the approach chosen to fight the fear of crime is to go after the criminals, apprehend them and destroy their network. It is simply a policy of zero-tolerance where and whenever criminals are caught in the act. This is the best way to remove the fear of crime.

dummy, rather than thiefing text on from others , address the racist above who is laying the blame for all crimes at the feet of black people.

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Originally posted by André:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
the easiest way to reduce fear of crime is not to cut crime to self, but to convince people that bad things are unlikely to happen to them. At first glance that sounds reasonable; but it risks turning the police into public relations officers and lowering people’s natural defences against crime.” The President and other government officials recognizing a drop in the crime rate and an overnight rise in the level of comfort among the population cautioned all against complacency and warned that crime has not been eliminated. The law enforcement agencies are still on a state of high alert and additional anticrime measures continue to be pursued. For the administration, the approach chosen to fight the fear of crime is to go after the criminals, apprehend them and destroy their network. It is simply a policy of zero-tolerance where and whenever criminals are caught in the act. This is the best way to remove the fear of crime.

dummy, rather than thiefing text on from others , address the racist above who is laying the blame for all crimes at the feet of black people.

Berbician, if you're going to plagiarize, you could at least find someone a little brighter than Robert Persaud to copy from.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by André:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
the easiest way to reduce fear of crime is not to cut crime to self, but to convince people that bad things are unlikely to happen to them. At first glance that sounds reasonable; but it risks turning the police into public relations officers and lowering people’s natural defences against crime.” The President and other government officials recognizing a drop in the crime rate and an overnight rise in the level of comfort among the population cautioned all against complacency and warned that crime has not been eliminated. The law enforcement agencies are still on a state of high alert and additional anticrime measures continue to be pursued. For the administration, the approach chosen to fight the fear of crime is to go after the criminals, apprehend them and destroy their network. It is simply a policy of zero-tolerance where and whenever criminals are caught in the act. This is the best way to remove the fear of crime.

dummy, rather than thiefing text on from others , address the racist above who is laying the blame for all crimes at the feet of black people.

Berbician, if you're going to plagiarize, you could at least find someone a little brighter than Robert Persaud to copy from.

That is his mentor you are talking about and the PPP bright light! Woe is us....

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
the easiest way to reduce fear of crime is not to cut crime to self, but to convince people that bad things are unlikely to happen to them. At first glance that sounds reasonable; but it risks turning the police into public relations officers and lowering people’s natural defences against crime.” The President and other government officials recognizing a drop in the crime rate and an overnight rise in the level of comfort among the population cautioned all against complacency and warned that crime has not been eliminated. The law enforcement agencies are still on a state of high alert and additional anticrime measures continue to be pursued. For the administration, the approach chosen to fight the fear of crime is to go after the criminals, apprehend them and destroy their network. It is simply a policy of zero-tolerance where and whenever criminals are caught in the act. This is the best way to remove the fear of crime.

dummy, rather than thiefing text on from others , address the racist above who is laying the blame for all crimes at the feet of black people.

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Originally posted by Mitwah:
Berbician you are a thief. I just busted you on another thread.

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Originally posted by Berbician:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:
Berbician you are a thief. I just busted you on another thread.

Bust me bai you need to check the posts and research who wrote it.

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Originally posted by Berbician:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:
Berbician you are a thief. I just busted you on another thread.

Bust me bai you need to check the posts and research who wrote it.

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Originally posted by André:
you're going to plagiarize, you could at least find someone a little brighter than Robert Persaud to copy from.

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Originally posted by D2:
This is the third time I personally asked you not to be careless in your cut and pastes.

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by André:
you're going to plagiarize, you could at least find someone a little brighter than Robert Persaud to copy from.

ever thought he might indeed be Robert Persaud. We know he is some one who only posts during working hours and so clearly this must be his job.

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Originally posted by caribj:

1. Lots of crime in berbice are now committed by Indians....in fact some on GNI report that MOST of it is...I have no idea whether its true or not but whats obvious is that violent criminal behavior by Indo youths is inxcreasing. So is an Indo kid with agun in your face of less concernb to you than an Afro.

2. Why dont you explian why Russia and El salavador are dangerous places....despite minimal blacks. Or Glasgow for that matter. And why are they red herrings? Are we talking about why certain places are dangerous or engaing in black bashing. I mean if you arent black bashing then you would factor in the incidence of high crime regardless of who commits. Then maybe you might get closer to the causative factors. When you do you will note that factors beyond race explain crime. Reserecah NYC in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and it would shock you to learn how many Jewish gangs existed and of course the Irish gangs were feared.

3. If AfroGuyanese offend you then LEAVE guyana because they will remain a sizeable chunk of the population. Nothing you can do about that.

And you do engage in a black bashing rant because it should bave obvious to you by now that the same ills which exist within poor AfreoGuyanese communities are now beginning to impact similar IndoGuyanese communities. What should also concern you is the primary target for this new breed of Indo criminal are other Indians. So continue to rage agints blacks and demonise t5he entire black community for the acts of a small segment of it while the same cancer grows UNATTENDED to within poor Indo communities in berbics and elsewhere.

BTW show me an Indo house with an alcoholic father and I bet thats the same house that these Indo criminals were raised in.

Sorry Rishi if inept policing allows some people to make more than US$100/month why do you expect them to get in the mud? Of course my question will be why focus on "make work" jobs with no future and a minimum wage instead of training people for jobs with better prospects. When you tell me those guys turned down opportunities to be electricians then we can talk. Of course you will have to show me that over 20% of AfroGuyanese prefer to engage in non productive behaviors otherwise you remain a black bashing ranter. If you focused your discussion on a particular segment instead of damning an entire race you would look less racist.

BTW New Orleans is a corrupt city with great income inequity, ineffective policing which is why it is more dangerous than New York City. Put it in a way you will understand. The crimes/000 committed by blacks in NO are way higher than in NYC. But then NONblacks in San salvador or even more dangerous and gang violence by latinos in LA is a major problem. But you are only intereste din crime if it is committed by blacks.

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Originally posted by D2:

I see some peculiar notion forces you to use "little" with respect to me. Maybe you need reassuring that you are something substantial since the mind seem to be of the substandard sort. And I need not remind you of the quite familiar caricature of the big oaf!

Further, you do not appear to have thought this through. The average Indian is less than 5'6". I got that beat by quite a bit. As a reminder, this particular stat with respect to Indians have been used by the African dominated security culture to suggest it is a quality that makes the Indian insubstantial for the task. You bigots are so bereft of vision you cannot even invent proper insults!

I know the bush but I did not grow up there. It is something I regret very much. The instances I lived there among my people were my fondest. It reified the cultural imprinting I received from my mother as a child and left the indelible realization that I am of them. I am proud of that fact that I state it with alacrity when asked from whence I came.

The imagery of primates and evolution are also supposed to be insulting I guess. I regret to say once again that it is uncreative, unimaginative and downright silly. You also missed me completely with the comparison between poison Ivy and Jamoon. As an Amerind, reference to aetae, turu, or kurhu would have some contextual bite and not jamoon bozo!.

PS; I dont know what you are saying with that dissertation to Cribj. I will take some time later to read it but damn...I have never ever seen a post that long! I highlighted it and was told by the browser it is over a 1000 words!

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:

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Originally posted by D2:

I see some peculiar notion forces you to use "little" with respect to me. Maybe you need reassuring that you are something substantial since the mind seem to be of the substandard sort. And I need not remind you of the quite familiar caricature of the big oaf!

Further, you do not appear to have thought this through. The average Indian is less than 5'6". I got that beat by quite a bit. As a reminder, this particular stat with respect to Indians have been used by the African dominated security culture to suggest it is a quality that makes the Indian insubstantial for the task. You bigots are so bereft of vision you cannot even invent proper insults!

I know the bush but I did not grow up there. It is something I regret very much. The instances I lived there among my people were my fondest. It reified the cultural imprinting I received from my mother as a child and left the indelible realization that I am of them. I am proud of that fact that I state it with alacrity when asked from whence I came.

The imagery of primates and evolution are also supposed to be insulting I guess. I regret to say once again that it is uncreative, unimaginative and downright silly. You also missed me completely with the comparison between poison Ivy and Jamoon. As an Amerind, reference to aetae, turu, or kurhu would have some contextual bite and not jamoon bozo!.

PS; I dont know what you are saying with that dissertation to Cribj. I will take some time later to read it but damn...I have never ever seen a post that long! I highlighted it and was told by the browser it is over a 1000 words!

My use of the word “little” to describe you had absolutely nothing to do with physical size, and if you lack the intellectual subtlety to perceive this, then the description was very apt.

There you go! You display an exceptionally intimate knowledge of the most appropriate leaves associated with bush perching! Spoken like the true expert that we know you are!
But wait a minute! Aetae leaves? Surely not! Would not those tough pointers create a rather “sticky” situation down there? And are you suggesting that every perching exercise must be preceded by a quick scramble up an aetae trunk to gather greenery of appropriate texture and softness? But with time at a premium, surely that is an open invitation for accidents to occur, and I am not talking about just you pelting down from those precarious heights! Ah, well, you have demonstrated some dexterity in that department, so we’ll let it be.

And why do you keep masquerading yourself as an Amerindian, when you are but a half-blood? Did you not admit, albeit grudgingly, to having a Hindu father? The self-appointed Champion of the Amerindian Peoples of Guyana actually has Hindu blood coursing through his veins? It cannot be! It must not be! What an existential nightmare it must be for you, despising the very Hindu blood which courses through your veins! But given your genetic makeup, dare the Amerindians trust you? Dare you trust yourself? Those Hindu genes could be very assertive, you know. Remember all the derogatory terms you regularly use to describe Hindus? They could come back to haunt you!

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:

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Originally posted by caribj:

1. Lots of crime in berbice are now committed by Indians....in fact some on GNI report that MOST of it is...I have no idea whether its true or not but whats obvious is that violent criminal behavior by Indo youths is inxcreasing. So is an Indo kid with agun in your face of less concernb to you than an Afro.

2. Why dont you explian why Russia and El salavador are dangerous places....despite minimal blacks. Or Glasgow for that matter. And why are they red herrings? Are we talking about why certain places are dangerous or engaing in black bashing. I mean if you arent black bashing then you would factor in the incidence of high crime regardless of who commits. Then maybe you might get closer to the causative factors. When you do you will note that factors beyond race explain crime. Reserecah NYC in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and it would shock you to learn how many Jewish gangs existed and of course the Irish gangs were feared.

3. If AfroGuyanese offend you then LEAVE guyana because they will remain a sizeable chunk of the population. Nothing you can do about that.

And you do engage in a black bashing rant because it should bave obvious to you by now that the same ills which exist within poor AfreoGuyanese communities are now beginning to impact similar IndoGuyanese communities. What should also concern you is the primary target for this new breed of Indo criminal are other Indians. So continue to rage agints blacks and demonise t5he entire black community for the acts of a small segment of it while the same cancer grows UNATTENDED to within poor Indo communities in berbics and elsewhere.

BTW show me an Indo house with an alcoholic father and I bet thats the same house that these Indo criminals were raised in.

Sorry Rishi if inept policing allows some people to make more than US$100/month why do you expect them to get in the mud? Of course my question will be why focus on "make work" jobs with no future and a minimum wage instead of training people for jobs with better prospects. When you tell me those guys turned down opportunities to be electricians then we can talk. Of course you will have to show me that over 20% of AfroGuyanese prefer to engage in non productive behaviors otherwise you remain a black bashing ranter. If you focused your discussion on a particular segment instead of damning an entire race you would look less racist.

BTW New Orleans is a corrupt city with great income inequity, ineffective policing which is why it is more dangerous than New York City. Put it in a way you will understand. The crimes/000 committed by blacks in NO are way higher than in NYC. But then NONblacks in San salvador or even more dangerous and gang violence by latinos in LA is a major problem. But you are only intereste din crime if it is committed by blacks.

And the denial continues….everything and everybody else is to be blamed for the Black plight except Blacks themselves …the perpetual victim mentality. In many ways, your response was predictable. You have become so blinded by emotion that you have lost the ability to think clearly. Where have I condemned an entire race? For me to suggest that there is a pattern of high murder rates in certain Black communities is no more racist than if you were to suggest that there is a high incidence of alcoholism in certain Indian communities. It would have been an entirely different story had I declared that Blacks are naturally criminal, or if you had declared that Indians are by nature drunkards.

I have gone to pains to point out that the economic argument alone is not a sufficient explanation for the disproportionately high rates of violence evident in certain Black majority communities. Tell me, Caribj, what is your take on the two excerpts below, one from former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, and the other from the Police Chief of St. Paul, Minnesota, Paul Harrington, himself a Black?

Tony Blair:

“The spate of knife and gun murders in London was not being caused by poverty, but a distinctive black culture….”

"Economic inequality is a factor and we should deal with that, but I don't think it's the thing that is producing the most violent expression of this social alienation.
"I think that is to do with the fact that particular youngsters are being brought up in a setting that has no rules, no discipline, no proper framework around them."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/poli.../apr/12/ukcrime.race

Paul Harrington:

Harrington says black-on-black crime is an outgrowth of two huge problems affecting Black America: the high rate of out-of-wedlock births and gangs.
There are generations of African-Americans who haven't had two parents to show them the way. Harrington says their maturity has been stunted. As a result, he says, there's an overabundance of young men who are un- or under-employed, who have criminal histories and who rely on chemicals to deal with psychological or emotional pain, and young women who are unequipped to be mothers, wives or even girlfriends.
http://minnesota.publicradio.o.../07/06/blackonblack/

Seeing a pattern here?

So you would prefer for the unemployed, unskilled Black youths of Guyana to steal instead of doing an honest day’s work? No further comments on that seem necessary.

Abandon Guyana? Is that what you are hoping for? And see it descend into another Haiti, the way it did under Trotman’s PNC? Keep on dreaming, Caribj.

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:
Abandon Guyana? Is that what you are hoping for? And see it descend into another Haiti, the way it did under Trotman’s PNC? Keep on dreaming, Caribj.

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Originally posted by D2:

Just another bunch of crap from a simpleton. And dummy, one is not simply an Amerind or anything by blood. Those very people you label black are all mixed with many blood lined from afric, europe and the americas. I wonder which part of that gene pool is driving this penchant for criminality you so gleefully assert is their heritage.

I do not grudgingly admit anything fool. I proudly say I have an half Indian father and a full blooded lukono mother and I am of both of them. I however accede to one culture as you do to your synthetic Indian culture born of over 20 Indian tribes. You are a bloody idiot to be quibbling about half of this or that when you have to measure your identity in increments of 1/20 if such stupidity is to hold.

I suggest you examine the term dalit as a composite ( no less than the term Amerindian) to reflect on the ancestors of some 84 percent of the Indians that came. It is the designation used for the group of lower caste ( by Hindus) and acceptable even by those who use it as an umbrella term in the motherland. Further, I use it to remind those who use the term "buck" to describe us that there is an equally crude history of destitution based on racist designation undergirding the historical narrative of Indians. You should take heed of that since it extended over thousands of years and was and still believed to be an intractable state of the indentured. I do not have to quote Gladstone on this. You can read Scoble yourself and examine his letter to Messrs. Gillanders et al of those who came.

Now back to you idiocy of trying to untangle your racist assumptions. And while you are at it who the hell do you champion with your stupid reflection on these statistics to label a group as criminally inclined? Man you are such a confused ass it is of little wonder you call yourself the big man intellectual to imply you are of some profound intellectual status. You are a big donkey.

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Originally posted by caribj:
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Or it may become like barbados or nevis both of which are highly favored by PPP supporters....their nightmare being tossed back into a hopeless existence in berbice where they are targets for Indian criminals.

I am amused by your focus on black criminality. Why not take a look at the fact that the fastest rate of growth in the prison population in the USA is among Latinos, the tremendous problems of violence among non blacks in Central America and the fact that these nations are agood deal more dangerous than 90% black Barbados. Were you honest and not aracist you would examine the factors that various groups of under class people have with each other rather than damning the entire black population, teh Ivy Leaguers and the permanently unemployable, under the same brush. Which you do with your focus on blacks.

Of course you quote Blair who doesnt want to face facts that the biggest losers in the UK today are working class WHITE boys, who increasingly UNDER perform even black boys. In fact the cry of the white working class is that they are ignored as they increasingly fall to the bottom of British society.

When the mayor of London said that his city was more dangerous than NYC he wasnt just talking about blacks as there arent enough there for that to be the case. Again you ignore Glasgow, few blacks yet the most dangerous city in the United Kingdom.

Rishi the fact that you state that AfroGuyanese will reduce Guyana to a level of Haiti, when our brothers and sisters in Barbados have transformed that nation into one of the most prosperous in teh Americas, shows your agenda. Why would one group of Bajans be so successful while the other group who moved to Guyana wouldnt be?

A note to you that Barbados under British rule was noted as a severely impoverished island where up to 20% of its kids died before their 5 th birthday and Bajans fled that island.

Since they took over that island much has improved as the huge numbers of PPP supporters, both the rich ones and the poor ones, living on that island shows you.

Clearly many PPP supporters prefer to live in black run societies than one misruled by the PPP.

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:

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Originally posted by D2:

Just another bunch of crap from a simpleton. And dummy, one is not simply an Amerind or anything by blood. Those very people you label black are all mixed with many blood lined from afric, europe and the americas. I wonder which part of that gene pool is driving this penchant for criminality you so gleefully assert is their heritage.

I do not grudgingly admit anything fool. I proudly say I have an half Indian father and a full blooded lukono mother and I am of both of them. I however accede to one culture as you do to your synthetic Indian culture born of over 20 Indian tribes. You are a bloody idiot to be quibbling about half of this or that when you have to measure your identity in increments of 1/20 if such stupidity is to hold.

I suggest you examine the term dalit as a composite ( no less than the term Amerindian) to reflect on the ancestors of some 84 percent of the Indians that came. It is the designation used for the group of lower caste ( by Hindus) and acceptable even by those who use it as an umbrella term in the motherland. Further, I use it to remind those who use the term "buck" to describe us that there is an equally crude history of destitution based on racist designation undergirding the historical narrative of Indians. You should take heed of that since it extended over thousands of years and was and still believed to be an intractable state of the indentured. I do not have to quote Gladstone on this. You can read Scoble yourself and examine his letter to Messrs. Gillanders et al of those who came.

Now back to you idiocy of trying to untangle your racist assumptions. And while you are at it who the hell do you champion with your stupid reflection on these statistics to label a group as criminally inclined? Man you are such a confused ass it is of little wonder you call yourself the big man intellectual to imply you are of some profound intellectual status. You are a big donkey.

At last! The Great Pretender has been unmasked! He who would be the Champion of the Amerindian Peoples of Guyana is nothing more than a “low caste” Dalit, after all! How he must hate himself, that he finds it necessary to heap scorn on those Dalit descendants in whom he sees a reflection of himself! The sweet irony of it! Never mind, little man. My work here with you is now done. Your sole role here was to be the comic relief which I craved, and I am now sated beyond all expectations! You have pleased me! You shall be rewarded! Here, have a few colored beads to amuse yourself. Now go scamper up a tree or down a hole and enjoy a well deserved hibernation!

By the way, your naivete is astounding, but not at all surprising. One could shove a specimen of your kind right under the politically correct noses of those Ivy League “researchers”, and they would poke it and prick it and pronounce it to be anything other than what it so obviously is!

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:
Had I said that Blacks are innately criminal, it would have been entirely appropriate for you to bring in non-black societies with high crime rates or black societies with low crime rates to prove me wrong. But that has never been my claim, so quit fishing about for examples which have no bearing on the issue at hand: why is there a consistent pattern of high murder rates amongst Blacks in the US, Jamaica, Trinidad and Guyana, given that poverty alone cannot be a sufficient explanation? Do the “self-inflicted pathologies” to which you allude play a role?

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Originally posted by caribj:

The homicide rates the top 10 countries on a per capita basis only South Africa and Jamaica are majority black. Knowing the history of South Africa and Jamaica this isnt a surprise. In fact most of the remainder are WHITE countries, mainly those which were communist.....again no surprise there.

But Rishi the USA is at # 24. Dominica is also on the list so I am sure that consideration wa smade of most Caribbean nations with maybe only the tiniest like St Kitts nevis excluded.

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by caribj:

At the risk of sounding repetitive, are we seeing a pattern here? Obama, Cosby, Blair, Harrington, Witter – surely they cannot all be wrong?

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Originally posted by André:
Guyana murder rates 2002 - 2008 (source http://www.guyanaonline.net/ne...ew=read&id=163&cat=5 )

1021 murders for 7 years at an average population of 750,000 = 0.19448 per 1,000 or 19.448 per 100,000


U.S. murder rates 2002 - 2008 (source http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_01.html )

115,876 murders for 7 years at an average population of 296,286,595 = 0.05587 per 1,000 or 5.587 per 100,000



Guyana's murder rate is 3.48 times that of the U.S. over the period 2002 - 2008

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Originally posted by Mitwah:
90% of the crimes are committed by the East Indians in Berbice. Sometimes, I feel the media creates copy cats by publishing too much details of the crimes and the methods the criminals used.

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:
90% of the crimes are committed by the East Indians in Berbice. Sometimes, I feel the media creates copy cats by publishing too much details of the crimes and the methods the criminals used.

Rishi says this doesnt matter because the crime is committed by indians.

I would rthink that crime would bother him no matter who committed it and trying to understand why crime occurs whethers its New Orleans or San Salvador or Moscow would matter.

He is only interested in New Orleans.

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:
90% of the crimes are committed by the East Indians in Berbice. Sometimes, I feel the media creates copy cats by publishing too much details of the crimes and the methods the criminals used.

Rishi says this doesnt matter because the crime is committed by indians.

I would rthink that crime would bother him no matter who committed it and trying to understand why crime occurs whethers its New Orleans or San Salvador or Moscow would matter.

He is only interested in New Orleans.

Stick to Guyana. Major crimes has been absent from the Guyana scene.

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Originally posted by caribj:

So why not discussions of Russia and other white nations with some of teh worlds highest rates. What of Mexico, Honduras, El salovador, Venezuela....all nations with high homiocide rates. How come you dont include them in your discussion?

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:

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Originally posted by caribj:

So why not discussions of Russia and other white nations with some of teh worlds highest rates. What of Mexico, Honduras, El salovador, Venezuela....all nations with high homiocide rates. How come you dont include them in your discussion?

Caribj,

Was fishing your favorite past-time in Guyana? And was “kakabelly” fish your favorite catch? Because clearly, all you are doing right now is fishing around and coming up with “kakabelly” excuses for the consistent pattern of high murder rates in Black majority cities in the US. Not only that, you have fallen headlong into the stagnant trench water and are grabbing desperately at rotten “lukuntoo” grass to keep afloat!

Of course I am concerned about any murder committed by anyone, anywhere. However, any discerning person looking dispassionately at the murder statistics for majority Black cities in the US cannot help but do a double take. No other group in the US or elsewhere has the dubious distinction of having such high murder rates, given comparable levels of poverty, which you proffer as the excuse. The US has a per capita income of around $47,000, and the Black majority cities have per capita incomes varying from US$37,000 to US$48,000. All the other countries which you cited as having high murder rates have per capita incomes significantly lower than the US. (Honduras: $4,400; El Salvador: $6,200; Venezuela: $13,500; Mexico: $14,200; Russia: $15,800). Source: http://siakhenn.tripod.com/capita.html

Nothing even remotely approaching the rates of the mighty US! They at least can claim real poverty as a valid excuse, but surely not the Black majority cities in the US, which enjoy such relative affluence? Guyana has a per capita income even lower than any of the countries mentioned so far, yet some here have no shame in comparing Guyana’s murder rate to the US. Guyana is at least 12 times poorer than the US, but has a murder rate that is just about two and a half times higher.

You have so far steadfastly refused to elaborate on the “self-inflicted pathologies” which may play a critical role in explaining why Black youths are more likely to become involved in crime than other groups. I have pointed, as have many in the Black community, to the possibility that absentee fathers may play a key role. You refuse to acknowledge this possibility, implying that all blame lies external to the Black community.

Many would say that your reaction so far fits into a popular stereotype of Blacks held by many, but which I happen not to share. So far, you:

(1) Blame everybody else for problems faced by Blacks
(2) Are in a constant state of denial
(3) Refuse to deal with the problem, but justify it by pointing to others who share it
(4) Support criminal activity by Black youths over honest labor
(5) Play ”wrong and strong”: if you don’t like our behavior, just leave!
(6) Label as racist anyone who dares to point out the truth

It has become clear that no useful purpose is going to be served by continued discussion on this topic. Your attitude leaves little hope that there will be much improvement in the Black community anytime soon.

Happy” kakabelly” fishing!

Parting thought from a book I'm now reading:

“Many reggae songs glorify mothers and grandmothers (such as ‘Mother’s Tender Care’ by the Ethiopians or ‘Mother’ by Burning Spear) but no reggae song that I know of honours the father. Fathers are not obviously a part of Jamaican popular music; the father is the parent most likely to be absent.”

“So Jamaican mothers, with their spoiling ways, have helped to create an ‘almost entirely feminine’ environment for their male offspring, argued the Jamaican journalist Morris Cargill in a 1965 essay. Unfortunately there is no father-image to leaven the imbalance; so while the boy may, and usually does, grow up into ‘a fine example of the masculine physique’, according to Cargill, his attitude to life is ‘extraordinarily feminine’. Jamaican men may compensate for their ‘femininity’ by a precarious, over-exaggerated masculinity, which can express itself, like a long-pent-up balloon, in eruptions of violence and even sexual peculiarity.”
(Thomson, Ian. The Dead Yard: Tales of Modern Jamaica. London: Faber & Faber, 2009, pp. 46-47)

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by caribj:

“So Jamaican mothers, with their spoiling ways,)

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by Rishikesh:

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Originally posted by caribj:

So why not discussions of Russia and other white nations with some of teh worlds highest rates. What of Mexico, Honduras, El salovador, Venezuela....all nations with high homiocide rates. How come you dont include them in your discussion?

Caribj,

Was fishing your favorite past-time in Guyana? And was “kakabelly” fish your favorite catch? Because clearly, all you are doing right now is fishing around and coming up with “kakabelly” excuses for the consistent pattern of high murder rates in Black majority cities in the US. Not only that, you have fallen headlong into the stagnant trench water and are grabbing desperately at rotten “lukuntoo” grass to keep afloat!

Of course I am concerned about any murder committed by anyone, anywhere. However, any discerning person looking dispassionately at the murder statistics for majority Black cities in the US cannot help but do a double take. No other group in the US or elsewhere has the dubious distinction of having such high murder rates, given comparable levels of poverty, which you proffer as the excuse. The US has a per capita income of around $47,000, and the Black majority cities have per capita incomes varying from US$37,000 to US$48,000. All the other countries which you cited as having high murder rates have per capita incomes significantly lower than the US. (Honduras: $4,400; El Salvador: $6,200; Venezuela: $13,500; Mexico: $14,200; Russia: $15,800). Source: http://siakhenn.tripod.com/capita.html

Nothing even remotely approaching the rates of the mighty US! They at least can claim real poverty as a valid excuse, but surely not the Black majority cities in the US, which enjoy such relative affluence? Guyana has a per capita income even lower than any of the countries mentioned so far, yet some here have no shame in comparing Guyana’s murder rate to the US. Guyana is at least 12 times poorer than the US, but has a murder rate that is just about two and a half times higher.

You have so far steadfastly refused to elaborate on the “self-inflicted pathologies” which may play a critical role in explaining why Black youths are more likely to become involved in crime than other groups. I have pointed, as have many in the Black community, to the possibility that absentee fathers may play a key role. You refuse to acknowledge this possibility, implying that all blame lies external to the Black community.

Many would say that your reaction so far fits into a popular stereotype of Blacks held by many, but which I happen not to share. So far, you:

(1) Blame everybody else for problems faced by Blacks
(2) Are in a constant state of denial
(3) Refuse to deal with the problem, but justify it by pointing to others who share it
(4) Support criminal activity by Black youths over honest labor
(5) Play ”wrong and strong”: if you don’t like our behavior, just leave!
(6) Label as racist anyone who dares to point out the truth

It has become clear that no useful purpose is going to be served by continued discussion on this topic. Your attitude leaves little hope that there will be much improvement in the Black community anytime soon.

Happy” kakabelly” fishing!

Parting thought from a book I'm now reading:

“Many reggae songs glorify mothers and grandmothers (such as ‘Mother’s Tender Care’ by the Ethiopians or ‘Mother’ by Burning Spear) but no reggae song that I know of honours the father. Fathers are not obviously a part of Jamaican popular music; the father is the parent most likely to be absent.”

“So Jamaican mothers, with their spoiling ways, have helped to create an ‘almost entirely feminine’ environment for their male offspring, argued the Jamaican journalist Morris Cargill in a 1965 essay. Unfortunately there is no father-image to leaven the imbalance; so while the boy may, and usually does, grow up into ‘a fine example of the masculine physique’, according to Cargill, his attitude to life is ‘extraordinarily feminine’. Jamaican men may compensate for their ‘femininity’ by a precarious, over-exaggerated masculinity, which can express itself, like a long-pent-up balloon, in eruptions of violence and even sexual peculiarity.”
(Thomson, Ian. The Dead Yard: Tales of Modern Jamaica. London: Faber & Faber, 2009, pp. 46-47)

I already told you that if living around blacks offends you you not what to do.

Crime occurs for a number of reasons. It occurs in a nuymber of places and committed by a whole spectrum of people. Social pathologies exist and there are also external reasons. I note your rant abouyt Jamaica. Well the Jamaican man has been who he is since 1838. Interesting that its only since around 1968 that that island became a blood bath. What changed? Not their macho attitudes. Not the irresponsible attitude towards fatherhood....those were there since slavery when families were broken up. What changed was a cynical intervention by the Jamaican political and business elites. So bash poor unemployed Jamaican men all you want and excuse thugs tlike Edward Seaga and the other hooligans who armed them.


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BTW just as you took the time to note that El Salvador is poorer than the USA I note that you didnt atke the time to note that the cities that you malign are among the poorest in the USA. Poor people who resort to violent crime, and non poor rarely do, do so with regard to their own situation within the context of the societies within which the operate. So the folks on "Wire" dont care less that they might live in a country with a higher per capita income than El Salavador. What they do know is that they have had no access to employment for generations and in fact do not even know by now how to function within a job environment. What they also know is that a whole system of welfare was installed just when the manufacturing base of mnany US cities was being destroyed.And what you do not indiacte is that asimilar phenomenon has been occurring within the Latino, especially the Puerto Rican and Dominican communities. Note I say WITHIN. Unlike you I do not stigmatize an entire group because you then punish those who do the right thing by being a racist as you are and blaming them for what others who look like them do.


Rishi babble on if you want. What and rage against evil blacks who make your life miserable.

My conversation with is OVER.

That is unless you tell me why in teh USA a black male with acollege degree (4 years) has the same earnings as a white male who only graduated high school. Or that a black male high school graduate with NO CRIMINAL RECORD earns the same as a white high school drop out WITH A CRIMINAL RECORD.

No need for any rant about pathologies becaus ethe fact that the black male went to college and stayed there for 4 years shows he has the intent to do the right things. And the at least graduated high school and avoided jail. Yet they are WORSE off than white males with lower qualifiactions and prison records. So Rishi wahts your opinion? I GUESS you will categorize them with the drop out criminally oriented black....because thats whart racists like you always do.

Its a pity that there are those LIKE YOU who wish to deny him this and use as your excuse the behavior of that segment of the black population who engane in social pathologies.

So go play with yourself and babble your hostility towards blacks with your fellow IndoKKK, AKA as the PPP.

Oh and By the way the segment of the black population has per capita incomes of less thanw aht you indicate for Venezuela and Mexico in a society with many times more than that. And their Latino peers are fast dcatching up to them with gang banging and other negative behaviors. How come no mention of this?

If you wanted to have a discussion of crime in its many manifestations it would have been fine. But when you selectively pick one group, and ignore many others and then fail to also factor in external factors then I have nothing to say to you because there is no reason why a black male in the USA who has a $ year college degree should be worse off than a white man who only graduated college. But you know why they are...because folks like you view blacks as a monolith and use your latent racism against us to stigmatize both the good and the bad.

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Originally posted by Berbician:
No one has denied that Indians commit murders, but generally these have by and large been limited to crimes of passion with the one or two notable exceptions. Inspector Gadget and others who followed his pattern represented a deviation from this trend. During the Buxton mayhem Inspector gadget was the principle racist and most feared murderer, due to the brutal nature of his actions.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
No one has denied that Indians commit murders, but generally these have by and large been limited to crimes of passion with the one or two notable exceptions. Inspector Gadget and others who followed his pattern represented a deviation from this trend. During the Buxton mayhem Inspector gadget was the principle racist and most feared murderer, due to the brutal nature of his actions.

You had a "pirate" gang from the upper corentyne arrested in Suriname headed by an Indians who by last count is implicated in killing as many as fine man by leaving his victims to die on the high seas. I do not know what part of Berbice you are from but it may be the blind people section because Indian on Indian there crime is the basis of criminality from petty theft to fraud to murder.

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Originally posted by Berbician:
No one has denied that Indians commit murders, but generally these have by and large been limited to crimes of passion with the one or two notable exceptions. .

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
No one has denied that Indians commit murders, but generally these have by and large been limited to crimes of passion with the one or two notable exceptions. .

1. We have seen loads of Indo criminals in Berbice and other places, pirates operating out of Suriname. Their victims....mainly other Indians.

2. Murder is murder. Are you saying that killing one's wife is less bad?

Berbician your own jagdeo has claimed that both Africans and Indians are victims and victimizers when it comes to crime in Guyana. Like you forgot your script....careful.

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Originally posted by Berbician:

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
No one has denied that Indians commit murders, but generally these have by and large been limited to crimes of passion with the one or two notable exceptions. .

1. We have seen loads of Indo criminals in Berbice and other places, pirates operating out of Suriname. Their victims....mainly other Indians.

2. Murder is murder. Are you saying that killing one's wife is less bad?

Berbician your own jagdeo has claimed that both Africans and Indians are victims and victimizers when it comes to crime in Guyana. Like you forgot your script....careful.

it IS PUBLIC knowledge that crime in general has no boundaries as it relates to race, gender or whatever else. However the rampage by the PNC Buxton gang is another story, Mainly Indians were the victims of their assault, with the odd exception probably Brian Hamilton and perhaps few others who would have "betrayed them"

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You can put that behind us now. COP greene said that criminals would be hunted down dealt with according to the law.. Crime is definitedown since he made those statements.

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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You can put that behind us now. COP greene said that criminals would be hunted down dealt with according to the law.. Crime is definitedown since he made those statements.

Rama, the COP use of the words "hunted down" speak volumes as how he perceives his job to be.Or, is it just a parroting of the instructions given to him by the cabal?

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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You can put that behind us now. COP greene said that criminals would be hunted down dealt with according to the law.. Crime is definitedown since he made those statements.

Rama, the COP use of the words "hunted down" speak volumes as how he perceives his job to be.Or, is it just a parroting of the instructions given to him by the cabal?

Why are you afraid of criminals being hunted down and imprisoned? Are you finding some excuse to throw on the PPP? The man is just doing his hjob. He is armed with the law.

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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You can put that behind us now. COP greene said that criminals would be hunted down dealt with according to the law.. Crime is definitedown since he made those statements.

Rama, the COP use of the words "hunted down" speak volumes as how he perceives his job to be.Or, is it just a parroting of the instructions given to him by the cabal?

Why are you afraid of criminals being hunted down and imprisoned? Are you finding some excuse to throw on the PPP? The man is just doing his hjob. He is armed with the law.

I am in favor of criminals(anyone) having their day in court, and receiving their just punishment,emanting from an independent and fair process,which later determines guilt and or wrongdoing.

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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You can put that behind us now. COP greene said that criminals would be hunted down dealt with according to the law.. Crime is definitedown since he made those statements.

Rama, the COP use of the words "hunted down" speak volumes as how he perceives his job to be.Or, is it just a parroting of the instructions given to him by the cabal?

Why are you afraid of criminals being hunted down and imprisoned? Are you finding some excuse to throw on the PPP? The man is just doing his hjob. He is armed with the law.

I am in favor of criminals(anyone) having their day in court, and receiving their just punishment,emanting from an independent and fair process,which later determines guilt and or wrongdoing.