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His Royal Highness Location: The Prince of Little Guyana
Registered:: September 06, 2005
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Mitwah, you have no right to show those victims. Those are the victims you refuse to talk about earlier in this thread. Show them to that wimp president of your who is responsible for their deaths. You keep blaming blacks that you forget that your own indians are of the same nature.
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Junior Member Registered:: April 29, 2008
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First off for the record, I am not a Racist. The people who know me personnally and my work in the community.... well I am not going to get in to self praising.... I know who I am and I hold my head up high when I walk and talk. I am proud of who I am. I never agreed with the killings of innocent blacks by Indians and was never in agreement with Indians retaliating in the demonic actions like your kind. You are trying so hard to derail this thread. The same criminal elements that were involved in the Wismar massacre are currently at work in the cowardly and barbaric acts like that of Lusignan. I am convinced that this was a diabolical plot, ingeniously planned and ruthlessly executed and controlled by the same people who ordered and sent thugs to Wismar. And that is the common link. I asked the question first and you refuse to answer by posing a counter question to my question. The fundamental difference between you and me is that I am a human being. This is the time for Indians to standup and denounce the celebrations but rather make this a time of prayer for the nation and reflect on what happened on the date in our history. Many of temples would holding special prayers for that divine intervention. All victories and defeat can be had only at His Hands. Shanti, Shanti, Shanti.... This message has been edited. Last edited by: Mitwah, |
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Junior Member Registered:: April 29, 2008
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You are the Royal Highness and the only one that is capable of doing that which is noble, like wining and dining with Burke and his kind. Show me your campany........ |
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Junior Member Registered:: April 29, 2008
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Wismar is a charged topic not only because Indian people were murdered, Indian women raped, Indian-owned proerties burned, and hundreds of Indians forced to flee from their homes despite being taxpayers and free men and women of the British Empire. Wismar is a charged topic because one half of Guyana continues to deny its seriousness, refusing to accept that wholesale public denounciation of May 26 is a necessary part of any possible reconciliation for the future. Wismar is a charged topic not only because every national election is an occasion for Indians to be attacked, robbed, sexualy assaulted, shot, and intimidated in general. Wismar is a charged topic because the national political leadership by the PPP and PNC have thus far, allowed Wismar to remain a taboo subject instead of history. In the future, children of Guyana shall speak of Wismar as something that never happened.
When I say wholesale denounciation, I mean that Guyana cannot move beyond Wismar unless it selects a new date for its Independence celebration. By wholesale denounciation, I mean something much more that a children song, such as was done (in a doggerel) for the 1980 Independence celebration by Mr. Edwin Vanderyar which says; "From Saturday May 14th to Monday May 26th, There's no time more glorious For reflection upon history, Both great and notorious, It's all part of the story... The Guyana way" Source |
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Elite Member Location: ny
Registered:: July 12, 2002
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The fcat that you cant answer the question I asked you, which would have answered my question, shows how racist you are. The correct answer would be that the killing of Indians in Wismar is barbaric as killings of blacks by Indians elsewhere. Clearly you feel that the appropriate answer to the question that you asked me would have been different to the question I asked you, hence your refusal to answer my question. Now given that Wismar violence lay within the context of overall violence in Guyana and was in fact revenge against earlier attacks by Indians against blacks, which in turn might have been revenge against earlier attacks by blacks against Indians.....it is very dishonest of you to try to extract these incidents when BOTH incidents were in RESPONSE to other events that occurred elsewhere in Guyana. Now can we condemn US savagery when they bombed Hiroshima with the first atomic bomb without making reference to the fcat that this occured within the context of WWII? Hiroshima was not an isolated incident and neither was Wismar. And you only choose to pretend that it is so you can wear this "Angelic Indian,Devilish Black man" robe. BTW you would note, were you not filled with hatred for blacks, that the narrative of the 60s violence is largely that peddled by the PPP and Indians. How often do we speak of Indian incidents of violence against blacks? Do you ever speak about the concerted effort of the PPP to destabilize Guyana once it was announced that elections under PR would have been scheduled for late 1964? No, the focus is always on the earlier attempts by the PNC and the UF to create conditions where a special election had to be held under a new constitution. Sorry Mitwah the narrative of the 60s that is familiar to most Guyanese comes straight from the West on Trial. This message has been edited. Last edited by: caribj, |
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Junior Member Registered:: April 29, 2008
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Your statements above are insubstantial and not cogent to the discussion at hand. This discussion is not an in-class discussion of the mathematical condition that if X is true then Y is false. My question was a direct question. Your question is disguised as a trick to derail the topic at hand. It is my prerogative to respond to questions that are pertinent to the discussion at hand. To discuss or compare the barbaric nature of the killings, tit for tat, is immaterial to the discussion at hand. This thread is a wake up call for all decent citizens to reflect on the killings and the barbaric acts that was carried out by your kind and the PNC thugs as reported and recorded or not during the Wismar disturbances May 24, 25, 26, 1964 and to denounce the selection of May 26th to hold any kind of celebration. Allow me to remind you that this thread is about: " "Linden" was a message to Indo-Guyanese that if they challenged him (Burnham) they could expect the same fate as the Indo-Guyanese community experienced on the 24th, 25th, and 26th of May 1964 in Mackenzie. However, Burnham’s move to change the name from Mackenzie to Linden was only of his many acts to show his supremacy and superiority over the Indo-Guyanese community." (Fazil (Raymond) Ali) Excerpt from the Wismar Commissioner report: Mr. Robert Jordan Several witnesses have alleged that Mr. Robert Jordan, member of the former Legislative Assembly for the Upper Demerara River constituency, bears a major responsibility for the events of May 25th and 26th. Mr. Jordan was said to have been seen on Thursday May 21st, and again on Saturday May 23rd, inciting African people to violence against East Indians. Three witnesses said that on the Thursday be was seen with a newspaper on the public road drawing to the attention of those he met the murder of Mr. & Mrs. Sealey, African farmers of Buxton, East Coast, Demerara, and asking what the people of Wismar were going to do in reprisal for such actions by East Indians on the coast. Four witnesses claimed to have seen Mr. Jordan on the Saturday in company with various community leaders and at least one of the known criminal element, either inciting Africans or planning acts of violence against East Indians. The Commissioners noted that those of the alleged "conspirators" who appeared before us categorically denied that they had been planning violence with Mr. Jordan or indeed that they had seen him in the area at the time in question. It is also noted that the bodies of Mr. and Mrs. Sealey were found aback of Buxton on Friday May 22nd and the day after it was alleged that Mr. Jordan was reading about their murder from a newspaper on the Wismar public road. Caribj is this your relative? |
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Junior Member Location: New York
Registered:: February 04, 2008
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I guess in your mind those two persons died as a result of some accident. |
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Member Location: India
Registered:: August 21, 2002
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They died of gunshots, with the "Indians" leaving evidence, remanants of Indian food, while riding off on horse backs. You people should learn first to think and analyse before you act, it will serve you infinitely better, both for yourselves and other whom you live among. |
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Junior Member Location: New York
Registered:: February 04, 2008
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"You people",trust me there is nothing instructive about those sentiments. |
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Member Location: India
Registered:: August 21, 2002
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Give me the answer. It's always "you people". Those Indians in Wismar were slaughtered raped and maimed under a "you people" presumption, wasn't it. The Lusignan slaughter was done under the "you people" presumption, wasn't it. |
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Junior Member Registered:: April 29, 2008
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Trying to twist the facts to justify the savagery and demonic acts of your kind! Mr. T claimed that he walked over dead bodies during his escape... I guess in your mind these died by accident... Apart from the ethnic cleansing, Richard Khan, Bridgewater -- the father of Senator Christina Ramjattan, Paul Nirgin were some of the names mentioned as victims of the barabaric acts. |
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Junior Member Registered:: April 29, 2008
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Refelect on this day 44 years ago.......
Wednesday 20.5.64 1. Pandit Ramlackhan's house was bombed at about 2.00 a.m. (See Wismar Commisioner report) |
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Junior Member Location: New York
Registered:: February 04, 2008
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You live in that world not me.Have you ever seen me write anything in defense of the pogrom in Mackenzie?However,I will never shy away from expressing the view that those acts were as a result of race war in Guyana,which involved both sides.You are quite willing to ascribe blame to one side and how is that helpful or for a matter of fact truthful. |
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Junior Member Location: New York
Registered:: February 04, 2008
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I have news for you.Those who were killed were 'my kind' and those who were murdered were and remain 'my kind.That is the major difference between me and you. |
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Member Location: India
Registered:: August 21, 2002
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Those were acts of savagery by Afros on Indians under the "you people" presumption, no different than Lusignan. Tell me, which "race war" brought that one on. You find a way to tip-toe around the savagery of "your kind". |
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Junior Member Registered:: April 29, 2008
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So if we are petals of the same flower, pearls of the same necklace. One creator created every one from the same material. Why this divisness and fighting? A pandit is one of the most non violent person. They commence their prayers with "Shanta" (Peace) and end them with "Om Shanti...." On this day in 1964, the home of Pandit Ramlackhan was bombed. |
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Junior Member Location: New York
Registered:: February 04, 2008
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Political prostitutes fighting for power and using the people as their means.It does happen around the world,even in your own backyard. |
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Junior Member Registered:: April 29, 2008
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Have you read the Wismar commissione report? |
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Junior Member Location: New York
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Those are the questions you should pose to the supporters of Burnham and Jagan who saw those two as demi-gods. |
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Junior Member Registered:: April 29, 2008
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But in Guyana, the PPP and PNC are faces of the same coin. |
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Junior Member Location: New York
Registered:: February 04, 2008
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The report,the accounts by many including a parent.The notes of a commission member and yes survivors and some of their grandchildren. |
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Junior Member Registered:: April 29, 2008
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The members of the Commission concluded that the disturbances were politically and racially inspired.They noted that "the thorough destruction of East Indian property, and the fact that the security forces were in no case able to apprehend arsonists, force us to conclude that the destruction . . . . was organised, and well organised". Surpisingly neither the PNC nor the PPP tabled the Report in parliament to make it official. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Mitwah, |