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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by BONUS:
Most of the indians here who talk about how they fight the dictatorship, are a bunch of liaaaaars. They were scared of Burnham till death.

Caribj said that he fought the dictatorship. he also lied.

Dicktakership is flourishing in the PPP today!

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Originally posted by Lion King:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by BONUS:
Most of the indians here who talk about how they fight the dictatorship, are a bunch of liaaaaars. They were scared of Burnham till death.

Caribj said that he fought the dictatorship. he also lied.

Dicktakership is flourishing in the PPP today!

Where ignorance is bliss, It's folly to be wise..

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Lion King:

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by BONUS:
Most of the indians here who talk about how they fight the dictatorship, are a bunch of liaaaaars. They were scared of Burnham till death.

Caribj said that he fought the dictatorship. he also lied.

Dicktakership is flourishing in the PPP today!

Where ignorance is bliss, It's folly to be wise..

Spoken from the number 1 PPP buttlicker!

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Originally posted by TK:
[QUOTE]CARIBJ: And if we dont find a common cause and develop ties to each other how will this happen? Nothing fosters competition like putting people in separate camps. We have seen this over the last 50 years under a wide variety of constitutions.

Suh you saying let's keep the status quo?
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No you are by encouraging people to remain tribal. You know tribal states where one group dominates. Of course we have Demerara where neither group dominates, a fact that you chose to ignore. Ravi thinks its African, because he clearly must be a Berbician.

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by BONUS:
Most of the indians here who talk about how they fight the dictatorship, are a bunch of liaaaaars. They were scared of Burnham till death.

Caribj said that he fought the dictatorship. he also lied.

You lie. I was a teenager in the Burnham era and then I left.

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CaribJ: No you are by encouraging people to remain tribal. You know tribal states where one group dominates. Of course we have Demerara where neither group dominates, a fact that you chose to ignore. Ravi thinks its African, because he clearly must be a Berbician.

Random noise!

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Originally posted by TK:

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CaribJ: No you are by encouraging people to remain tribal. You know tribal states where one group dominates. Of course we have Demerara where neither group dominates, a fact that you chose to ignore. Ravi thinks its African, because he clearly must be a Berbician.

Random noise!

Oh so you now deny your plan to divide Guyana into 3 or 4 "states" with borders designed to ensure ethnic majority? In other words the sole criteria that you will use to determine boundaries is your notion of the spatial location of each ethnic group and not factors more relevant like infrastructure, economic activity, and the commonality of interests.

Of course with Demerara you will have a Bantustan that would have made the apartheid government proud given that it has a majority African urban, and majority Indian rural population. And sizeable Indo urban and rural Afro population on top of it. Imagine the speckled boundaries of this state as it seeks to exclude Indo areas to ensure an Afro majority.

Random noise you call it when I point this out to you.

Really I raise a point which you cannot counter and rather than admitting this you wail.

The second joke is that Ravi thinks that some Amerindian dominated federal state will actually be viable despite the fact that what little infrastructure that exists in these regions is designed to connect to the coasts and not connecting various points in the interior. And that teh tax base in most parts of the interior is minimal. What really does the NorthWest District have with teh Rupununi except to move from one to the other you will be forced to travel through coastal regions.

The first joke of course is Ravi's "African" Demerara. Region 4 is only 42% African, 36% Indian. Of course West Demerara is also part of Demerara and is overwhelmingly Indian.

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Originally posted by caribj:
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TK explain why many Africans joined forces with mnay Indians against an African dictatorship. They did so under the umbrella of the WPA, GUARD and other entities.

There was a viable alternative to the PNC, the WPA, that is the party most of the Afro Guyanese
Supported. In fact you can say that the Indo Guyanese are the ones who should be commended by
Joining hands with their Black brothers to support a party of their choice to oust the PNC.

Who is the viable alternative to the PPP today. What struggles have they had to endure?

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Yet Indians, though dissatisfied with the PPP and its emerging elected dictatorship, its incompetence, corruption and unwillingness to deal with crime, cant join forces with others.

In that sense all political parties are elected dictatorship for their elected term, no?
Again who is the viable alternative.

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They cant at a time of declining Indian population which means that no ethnic group in Guyana can foster chnage on their own but need the cooperation of others.

change must be fostered based on policies and not race, which party is campaigning on polcies?
Which alternative party in Guyana has any history of struggles or what are their policies to save Guyana? In case you did not notice most Politicians and journalists are lazy in Guyana, full of rhetoric and void of substance and sound policies

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Yet they are unable to join with non Indians to try to do better. They set up ROAR, doomed to fail as it alienated nonIndians rather than soaught their cooperation..

They?? Who are they???? All Indo Guyanese are guilty of this creation in your opinion?
Did all Afro Guyanese create the racist African association in Guyana? Should all be found guilty?

And why are you separating all other races from Indo Guyanese? Is this because on a conscious or subconscious level you see Indo Guyanese as outsiders and this is your way of justifying that sentiment?

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What is interesting is at a time of increasing frustration of the PNCs core base with its inepet performance this would seem to be as appropriate a period for multi ethnic coalitions as was the early 1980s, and the early 1990s

Again where is this viable alternative?

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This is where accusations of clannishness come from.

Well then you can also say that Blacks are clannish. They only accepted Indo Guyanese support and used them to promote a party with a Black leader the WPA? No?

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Before you wail that blacks voted PNC in 1992 just consider whether the multi ethnic coalitions didnt force Hoyte to have free and fair elections. Its clear that the PPP didnt accomplish this on their own.

Most blacks did vote PNC, no? the PNC was pressured by outside forces, because the PPP did not have the support of most Afro Guyanese, the kind of support the would have needed to oust the PNC without outside help.

The only party that could have oust the PNC without outside help was the WPA and this was because the had the support of most or a huge number of Indo Guyanese?

Who is clannish again? Think before you post.

In order to be able to think, dont you need a brain larger than a pea??????

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Originally posted by Nehru:
In order to be able to think, dont you need a brain larger than a pea??????

that is about the size of yours too, because you are also too stupid or too blind to see the incompetence and arrogance of the PPP and the need for inclusive government.

And maybe you blind hatred is causing your brain to shrink smaller than a Pea.

What is an inclusive Govt????

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:

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Originally posted by Gupta:
I say that Guyana today is better, thanks to Jagdeo and the gunmen.

Aren't the same dick, who cussed jagdeo and the PPP everyday. It takes only a freddie Kissoon to belittle Indians before reality steps in..

freddie, not only called all those people, who voted PPP,stupid, but also people of indian decendants.. You would never hear a blackman says."I am ashamed to be black" .

There we go. You have defend race.

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Originally posted by politikalamity:

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Originally posted by caribj:
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TK explain why many Africans joined forces with mnay Indians against an African dictatorship. They did so under the umbrella of the WPA, GUARD and other entities.

There was a viable alternative to the PNC, the WPA, that is the party most of the Afro Guyanese
Supported. In fact you can say that the Indo Guyanese are the ones who should be commended by
Joining hands with their Black brothers to support a party of their choice to oust the PNC.
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1. The Africans joined with Indians to fight against an AFRICAN dictatorship. In other words the joined another ethnic group to fight against THEIR OWN. The WPA was developed in response to the Burnham dictatorship.

2. The fcat that Africans joined another ethnic group to fight against the govt comprised of their own shows we are NOT ethnically exclusive.


3. Unless you are convinced that the PPP is doing an excellent job then clearly their exists the same potential for inter ethnic cooperation to curb the excesses of that party much as existed when Africans joined Indians to confront an Africa govt.

4. The question that Freddie and others are asking as how come Indians seem unable to join non INdians aganst an Indian regime when they feel that this regime needs to be opposed.

5. The AFC with all its warts was established to be a multi ethnic alternative to the PPP and the PNC. Africans suported ths initiative. Indians did not, preferring to back a party that many shows distate for based on tire burning incidence that ocurred not long after the PPP victory. We certainly have no way of knowing whther the WPA would have been any more effective than the AFC currently is.

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Originally posted by politikalamity:
change must be fostered based on policies and not race, which party is campaigning on polcies?
Which alternative party in Guyana has any history of struggles or what are their policies to save Guyana? In case you did not notice most Politicians and journalists are lazy in Guyana, full of rhetoric and void of substance and sound policies

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Are you really trying to tell me that the PPP is doing this? If you are I consign you to the same ignoramus status that Rama and Nehru are in. What you need to as yourself is what is the PPP doing to deserve the blind loyalty of 95% of the Indian population.

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Originally posted by politikalamity:

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Originally posted by caribj:
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[i]Most blacks did vote PNC, no? the PNC was pressured by outside forces, because the PPP did not have the support of most Afro Guyanese, the kind of support the would have needed to oust the PNC without outside help.



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Given that most AfroGuyanese not only view the PPP a sbeing as racist towards them as Indians see the PNC towards Indians, but considered the PPP to be a smuch a part of the problem as the PNC why do you think that they ought to have supported the PPP. Facts are that they joined with Indians through the WPA and groups like GUArd against the PNC.


Please tell me that you arent implying that blacks have never supported an Indian leader. Who did they support in 1952? They actually voted for a party led by an Indian before apan jhat set in.