Since the visit of President Jagdeo to Tehran, all sorts of unfounded accusations, baseless speculations and superfluous insinuations, most expressing anti-Iran hysteria, have appeared in the Guyanese media condemning the visit. Some interpreted the presence of President Jagdeo in Iran as an anti-America move and indicative of a choice between former U.S. President George W. Bush’s “you are with us or you are with them.” Some suggested that the Guyanese President’s criticism of the U.S. decision not to allow some regional leaders to visit Haiti amounts to anti-American rhetoric. The horrific drama of Haiti was unfolding while Jagdeo was in Tehran, and during bi-lateral talks with Iranian leaders, the issue of Haiti was raised. Choosing to comment on the Haitian tragedy in Iran was again perceived as joining the “the axis of evil” camp against the U.S.
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If President Jagdeo was in Trinidad at that time his comments would have been the same, people like Emile Mervin need to get up from their racist arses and start seeing the world for what it is and not through a narrow prism of US imperialistic tendencies.

The same can be said about those who criticized Guyana. They are anti_Guyana and anti_indian.

Raymond chicory is sucking up to President Jagdeo, a man whom he criticized and once hated.
Jansher, Did you have a fall out with NUFF and BK?

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Jansher, Did you have a fall out with NUFF and BK?

how will he answer u?

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
The same can be said about those who criticized Guyana. They are anti_Guyana and anti_indian.

And we have a winner!

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Originally posted by Berbician:
If President Jagdeo was in Trinidad at that time his comments would have been the same, people like Emile Mervin need to get up from their racist arses and start seeing the world for what it is and not through a narrow prism of US imperialistic tendencies.

What makes Emile Mervin a racist?

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
If President Jagdeo was in Trinidad at that time his comments would have been the same, people like Emile Mervin need to get up from their racist arses and start seeing the world for what it is and not through a narrow prism of US imperialistic tendencies.

What makes Emile Mervin a racist?

Rama

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by Ireton:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
If President Jagdeo was in Trinidad at that time his comments would have been the same, people like Emile Mervin need to get up from their racist arses and start seeing the world for what it is and not through a narrow prism of US imperialistic tendencies.

What makes Emile Mervin a racist?

Rama

Lol In this case Emile Mervin might very well be a Sikh in Brampton.

St Vincent prime minister explains relations with Iran
By Duggie Joseph
Caribbean Net News St Vincent Correspondent
Email: duggie@caribbeannetnews.com

KINGSTOWN, St Vincent: The establishment of diplomatic relations between St Vincent and the Grenadines and Iran has raised concerns with the United States and the US Ambassador to Barbados and Eastern Caribbean, Mary Ourisman, has expressed those concerns with Prime Minister Dr Ralph Gonsalves.

Speaking to members of the media Monday, following his return from Barbados and St Lucia, Gonsalves said he was approached by Ourisman over a week ago and asked why his country was establishing diplomatic relation with Iran at this time.


St Vincent and the Grenadines Prime Minister Dr Ralph Gonsalves
“In August 2001, when I went to Libya to see Mu'ammar Gadhafi the Americans held the same position,” said Gonsalves. “My position was very simple. I said in my assessment Libya wants to come out from the cold and we are building bridges with Libya.”

Gonsalves said he further informed US officials at the time that when the monetary matter regarding the Lockabee disaster was settled, the US and Libya “will be best of friends.”

According to Gonsalves, “There are seven other Caribbean countries that have relations with Iran, there are 34 countries in Europe in which Iran has embassies,” and over 90% of the countries of the UN have relations with Iran.

“I know the US has a quarrel with Iran on the nuclear issue and others. The Americans are now talking to the Iranians, the Americans have set up an interest section in Tehran and Iran has an interest section in Washington in the embassy of Pakistan,” Gonsalves said.

“They asked why not wait until we have finished with our negotiations with them on the nuclear issue and I said that Germany is one of the leading members of NATO, do you ask them not to trade with Iran?”

“The matter comes down simply at the end of it, do you trust the leadership of a small country to be sufficiently mature to handle relations or do you trust our democracy to be sufficiently resilient to handle relations. My answer to both questions is yes,” Gonsalves said.

“Our democracy is sufficiently mature, is sufficiently strong to handle any set of relations with any countries anywhere in the world and to do so openly. Is our leadership sufficiently mature and knowledgeable? Yes.”

St Vincent and the Grenadines also has relations with Israel and Dr Gonsalves said his government does not accept Iran's position on Israel.

“We accept that the state of Israel will be there within safe and secure borders. We also say we must have an independent Palestinian state. We are in the mainstream of the positions adopted by the United Nations on these central questions in the Middle East,” Gonsalves said.

Gonsalves revealed that last year he was called by the US Ambassador, who stated she was calling on behalf of the US State Department to thank him for the role his country played in ensuring a debate on religious rights in Iran was put before the UN and debated.

Gonsalves said it was his country's support that allowed the Canadian resolution to be debated at the United Nations and acknowledges that St Vincent and the Grenadines has a very strong friendship with the USA.

“My assessment is that Iran wants to come in from the cold. Iran wants to be engaged internationally and it is the duty of countries to engage others,” Dr Gonsalves said.

St Vincent and the Grenadines established diplomatic relations with the Islamic Republic of Iran last month and secured a commitment to assist in the construction of the US$200 million international airport.

Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:49:00

St. Vincent and the Grenadines has established diplomatic relations with the Islamic Republic of Iran, as the Opposition expressed concerns about this new alliance.



KINGSTOWN, St. Vincent, CMC - St. Vincent and the Grenadines has established diplomatic relations with the Islamic Republic of Iran and has immediately secured a commitment by Tehran to assist in the construction of the US$200 million international airport, Foreign Minister Sir Louis Straker has said.

Sir Louis, who has returned from attending the 15th Ministerial Conference of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) in Tehran, said that he held several meetings with Iranian government officials, including Foreign Affairs Minister Manouchehr Mottaki.

He said following the talks, a six-point agreement had been reached including a US$7 million grant and assistance for the construction of the airport.

Prime Minister Dr. Ralph Gonsalves is expected to visit Iran soon to discuss and finalise that assistance.

But Opposition leader Arnhim Eustace has expressed concerns about the new relationship with Iran.

"I am not comfortable with that. I will be watching this very closely. I am very concerned about that direction that we are going,” he said.

Eustace, speaking on a local radio programme on Wednesday, said that St. Vincent and the Grenadines could find itself in trouble with international agencies by aligning itself with countries like Iran.

"Eyebrows are being raised by the stands that we are taking…St.Vincent and the Grenadines is a small country and we are going to be caught up in a web of international relations," Eustace said, adding that the Gonsalves administration's foreign policy could inhibit assistance from traditional sources.

"These international agencies also have political agendas," he added.

But Sir Louis has dismissed those concerns, saying that he had no reason to question Iran's nuclear power programme which may be at the centre of concerns regarding diplomatic relations with that country.

"Nobody knows for sure…even the United States cannot say for sure it is otherwise…I have no reason to doubt them (the Iranians)," he added.

Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Attends Ministerial Conference of the Non-Aligned Movement in Iran



TEHRAN, ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN, 31 July 2008: - Minister of Foreign Affairs, Commerce and Trade, the Honourable Sir Louis H. Straker departed Iran today after successfully participating in the 15th Ministerial Conference of the Non-Aligned Movement ("NAM"). It was the Hon. Minister Straker's second visit to a NAM Meeting in Iran, following the September 2007 Ministerial Meeting on Human Rights and Cultural Diversity. On his recently-concluded trip, Sir Louis was accompanied by H.E. Camillo M. Gonsalves, Permanent Representative of St. Vincent and the Grenadines to the United Nations.
While in Iran, the Vincentian delegation held substantive talks with H.E. Manouchehr Mottaki, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Iran; Ahmad Sobhani, Director General of the Department of the Americas within the Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs; Dr. Tahereh Nazari, Advisor to the Foreign Minister and Director General for Women's International Affairs and Human Rights; and Ambassador Abdolmajid Mozafari, Iranian Ambassador to Cuba. Sir Louis also met with Iran's Vice Minister with Responsibility for the Americas and Iran's Ambassador to Ecuador.


[LEFT] Sir Louis Straker and Manouchehr Mottaki, foreign Ministers of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines and the Islamic Republic of Iran, respectively, shake hands after a bilateral meeting; [RIGHT] Ministers Straker and Mottaki exchange instruments establishing diplomatic relations between Iran and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines


Bilateral Meetings with the Iranian Government
Sir Louis held a number of meetings with representatives of the Iranian Government, culminating in a meeting with Foreign Minister Mottaki. Minister Mottaki explained that Iran was actively exploring new ways and methods of expanding bilateral relations with developing States, and was approaching these new relations in a systemic, region-by-region manner. After improved relations with Asia, Eastern Europe and Africa, the Iranian Government was now focusing on Latin America and the Caribbean.
The Iranian Foreign Minister expressed an interest in establishing, strengthening and deepening bilateral ties with St. Vincent and the Grenadines. Sir Louis, for his part, welcomed Iran's expressions of friendship and offers of support. To that end, the Ministers agreed to the following:
The establishment of formal diplomatic relations between the Islamic Republic of Iran and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines.
The establishment of a USD $7 million line of credit available directly to St. Vincent of the Grenadines for developmental projects. Two million dollars of this amount will be made available shortly, after a review of the details by the Ministries of Finance and Legal Affairs, while the remaining $5 million will be available 12 months thereafter.
An agreement in principle for the reciprocal Visa waivers for holders of Diplomatic and Official passports traveling between the two countries. Upon the execution of a formal agreement, holders of Diplomatic and Official passports will be allowed to visit each other's country for up to three months without a Visa.
The designation of Iran's Ambassador to Cuba as non-resident Ambassador to St. Vincent and the Grenadines. Arrangements will be made for a formal presentation of credentials in this regard.
The establishment of greater trade and investment ties, including exploration of the possibility of exporting Vincentian agricultural products to Iran, and the export of Iranian goods to St. Vincent and the Grenadines.
Support for the construction of the Argyle International Airport. In this regard, the following was agreed: (a) that Iran will promptly explore ways in which it can offer support to the construction of the International Airport at Argyle; (b) that Iran and St. Vincent and the Grenadines will exchange expert delegations to share information and examine the most efficacious modalities for possible assistance; and (c) that the Iranian Minister of Roads, Transport and Civil Aviation shall be charged with studying the Argyle International Airport project and suggesting avenues of assistance and cooperation.
The Iranian Minister of Foreign Affairs also pointed out that it was engaged in "Tractor Diplomacy" through the distribution of heavy-duty agricultural equipment that it manufactured in South America. He called on officials in the Vincentian Ministry of Agriculture to determine whether the available models of tractors will be useful in St. Vincent and the Grenadines.
Foreign Minister Mottaki also extended an invitation to the Prime Minister of St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Dr. the Hon. Ralph E. Gonsalves, to make an official visit to Iran to further cement ties between the two countries. Sir Louis thanked Minister Mottaki for the invitation and promised to promptly communicate the invitation to Prime Minister Gonsalves.
Additionally, the foreign ministers discussed a number of matters of mutual interest, including international trade and commerce, cultural and interpersonal interaction, foreign policy and further cooperation within international bodies. Both ministers thanked each other for their interest in making these first steps toward deeper bilateral relations.
The Vincentian delegation also met with Dr. Tahereh Nazari, Advisor to the Foreign Minister and Director General for Women's International Affairs and Human Rights. Dr. Nazari expressed her gratitude that St. Vincent and the Grenadines was making its second visit to Iran in less than a year, and hoped that many more Vincentians would visit her country. She opined that the best way to overcome cultural misunderstandings and mistrust would be to increase the interaction and communication between the two countries. Dr. Nazari and the Vincentian delegation held extensive discussions on matters of human rights, women's rights, cooperation in international fora and the role of religion in Iran.

Foreign Minister Sir Louis Straker participating in the 15th Ministerial Conference of the Non-Aligned Movement


15th Ministerial Conference of the Non-Aligned Movement
St. Vincent and the Grenadines was one of six CARICOM countries attending the 15th Ministerial Conference (Antigua and Barbuda, Dominica, Haiti, Jamaica and Suriname also attended). All 14 independent CARICOM States are members of the NAM.
The NAM Conference was held to discuss a number of social, political and economic matters, including, but not limited to: United Nations reform, terrorism, Angola, The Sudan, Iraq, the Belize/Guatemala and Venezuela/Guyana territorial disputes, the economic embargo against Cuba, food security, South-South cooperation, illiteracy, drug trafficking, HIV/AIDS, advancement of women, information technology and the consideration of the Caribbean Sea as a special area within the context of sustainable development. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines participated in the negotiation and adoption of various outcome documents, including a 102-page final document that summarized the areas of agreement within the NAM membership. The NAM also issued statements/declarations on the situation in Zimbabwe, the situation in Palestine, and Iran's right to pursue and develop atomic energy for peaceful purposes. (These and other official NAM documents are available online at: http://nam.mfa.gov.ir).
Sir Louis addressed the General Debate of the NAM plenary. In his well-received speech, Hon. Minister Straker challenged the NAM to "reinvent and re-imagine ourselves as both the world's conscience and its primary developmental forum." Sir Louis also stressed the value of the Movement for creating the necessary "developmental and ideological space that St. Vincent and the Grenadines requires."
Further, the Hon. Foreign Minister stressed that "St. Vincent and the Grenadines, in the strict sense of the word, is quintessentially non-aligned. Our dynamic foreign policy is rooted in both principle and pragmatism, and beholden not to any nation, but to the interests, needs and desires of our citizens."
The Hon. Minister Straker also held discussions with the Foreign Ministers of Haiti and Jamaica, and the delegations of Ethiopia, Nigeria and the Philippines.

Letter: Guyana president not the first CARICOM leader to meet with Iran


Published on Friday, January 22, 2010Email To Friend Print Version

Dear Sir:

A Caribbean Net News story of Thursday's date, datelined “Kuwait City” and written by Ray Chickrie, says in the 5th paragraph of the story, with reference to Guyana’s leader, says that he (Mr Jagdeo) who arrived in Iran this week, is “...the first leader of a Caribbean country (Caricom) to visit the Islamic Republic of Iran.”

I wish to correct this since the Prime Minister of St Vincent and the Grenadines, Dr Ralph Gonsalves, visited the Iranian capital in April, 2009, and held talks with the Iranian President, Makmoud Ahmadinejad and Vice President, Parviz Davoudi.

We, at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of St Vincent and the Grenadines, thought it important to issue this correction for the records.

E B John
Senior Communications Officer
Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Commerce and Trade of St Vincent and the Grenadines

The US has however not raised any concerns with regards to BJ visiting those same countries. Maybe Jagdeo is an informer ?

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Originally posted by Berbician:
If President Jagdeo was in Trinidad at that time his comments would have been the same, people like Emile Mervin need to get up from their racist arses and start seeing the world for what it is and not through a narrow prism of US imperialistic tendencies.

The comments were totally out of order. CARICOM could NOT pro9vide the level of aid that the USA did. Cuba and Venezuela, France and Brazil could not. Neither could the United Nations. The govt of Haiti asked for US assistance becaus ethe United Nations was unable to provide logistical help and no other nation offered. So who is Jagdeo to run his mouth becaus ehe is angry that the USA yhave blocked his chances at an international job?

So a plane with some cariocm heads of state were ture dbac. Well Golding and Portia Simpson had already been to Haiti and in fact ha dalreday begin to assist Haiti with personnel at all levels. So what were those caricom head sgoing to do that Golding hadnt alreday done?

It is in bad form to go to a country and criticize a third country. Guyana was dragged into the Iran/US wear. How does this benefit us?


A further point is that jagdeo has jeopardized ties with Gulf State nations who can be of us eto Guyana by playing around and engaging in "cold war" politics with a country which cannot. The Arab nations are more worried about Iran having nuclear capabilities than they are by Israel which ALREADY HAS THIS!!!!

Ralph Gonzales is another mad man so if this is to excuse jagdeos error go elsewhere.

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by Berbician:
If President Jagdeo was in Trinidad at that time his comments would have been the same, people like Emile Mervin need to get up from their racist arses and start seeing the world for what it is and not through a narrow prism of US imperialistic tendencies.

The comments were totally out of order. CARICOM could NOT pro9vide the level of aid that the USA did. Cuba and Venezuela, France and Brazil could not. Neither could the United Nations. The govt of Haiti asked for US assistance becaus ethe United Nations was unable to provide logistical help and no other nation offered. So who is Jagdeo to run his mouth becaus ehe is angry that the USA yhave blocked his chances at an international job?

So a plane with some cariocm heads of state were ture dbac. Well Golding and Portia Simpson had already been to Haiti and in fact ha dalreday begin to assist Haiti with personnel at all levels. So what were those caricom head sgoing to do that Golding hadnt alreday done?

It is in bad form to go to a country and criticize a third country. Guyana was dragged into the Iran/US wear. How does this benefit us?


A further point is that jagdeo has jeopardized ties with Gulf State nations who can be of us eto Guyana by playing around and engaging in "cold war" politics with a country which cannot. The Arab nations are more worried about Iran having nuclear capabilities than they are by Israel which ALREADY HAS THIS!!!!

Ralph Gonzales is another mad man so if this is to excuse jagdeos error go elsewhere.

hey yu racist pig...show some damm respeck fu Dr Jagdeo OK and address him properly next time....good.

This ungrateful dog named Jagdeo. The U.S. should have left them alone and let the AIDS overrun the place.

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Originally posted by Sunil:
Letter: Guyana president not the first CARICOM leader to meet with Iran


Published on Friday, January 22, 2010Email To Friend Print Version

Dear Sir:

A Caribbean Net News story of Thursday's date, datelined “Kuwait City” and written by Ray Chickrie, says in the 5th paragraph of the story, with reference to Guyana’s leader, says that he (Mr Jagdeo) who arrived in Iran this week, is “...the first leader of a Caribbean country (Caricom) to visit the Islamic Republic of Iran.”

I wish to correct this since the Prime Minister of St Vincent and the Grenadines, Dr Ralph Gonsalves, visited the Iranian capital in April, 2009, and held talks with the Iranian President, Makmoud Ahmadinejad and Vice President, Parviz Davoudi.

We, at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of St Vincent and the Grenadines, thought it important to issue this correction for the records.

E B John
Senior Communications Officer
Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Commerce and Trade of St Vincent and the Grenadines

Chickrie writes pure unadulterated garbage. He would fit in well with the rest of dunces in the PPP.

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Originally posted by André:
This ungrateful dog named Jagdeo. The U.S. should have left them alone and let the AIDS overrun the place.

Why the vile against Jagdeo? Let us not forget that the Portuguese sided up with Burnham to ruin the country. You creeps had 27 years of affiliation with the PNC and made the country the laughing stock of the world. Now Jagdeo came along and raised the country to prominence and you are jealous.

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Originally posted by André:

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Originally posted by Sunil:
Letter: Guyana president not the first CARICOM leader to meet with Iran


Published on Friday, January 22, 2010Email To Friend Print Version

Dear Sir:

A Caribbean Net News story of Thursday's date, datelined “Kuwait City” and written by Ray Chickrie, says in the 5th paragraph of the story, with reference to Guyana’s leader, says that he (Mr Jagdeo) who arrived in Iran this week, is “...the first leader of a Caribbean country (Caricom) to visit the Islamic Republic of Iran.”

I wish to correct this since the Prime Minister of St Vincent and the Grenadines, Dr Ralph Gonsalves, visited the Iranian capital in April, 2009, and held talks with the Iranian President, Makmoud Ahmadinejad and Vice President, Parviz Davoudi.

We, at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of St Vincent and the Grenadines, thought it important to issue this correction for the records.

E B John
Senior Communications Officer
Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Commerce and Trade of St Vincent and the Grenadines

Chickrie writes pure unadulterated garbage. He would fit in well with the rest of dunces in the PPP.

Chickrie is known for writing nuff lies ... "so here comes Chickrie"

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Originally posted by BGurd_See:

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Originally posted by André:
This ungrateful dog named Jagdeo. The U.S. should have left them alone and let the AIDS overrun the place.

Why the vile against Jagdeo? Let us not forget that the Portuguese sided up with Burnham to ruin the country. You creeps had 27 years of affiliation with the PNC and made the country the laughing stock of the world. Now Jagdeo came along and raised the country to prominence and you are jealous.

Because the ungrateful dog is biting the hand that has been feeding the Guyanese peoople forever. My taxpayer dollars was spent by the U.S. government to help save Guyana from being overrun by AIDS and how does the international beggar Jagdeo give thanks for the handout? He turns around and curses the U.S. with the Iranians.

We already discussed your stupid notion that the Portuguese ruined the country. We have established that when the Portuguese exodus took place in the late 60's, early 70's, the country's economy was still in a viable shape. The UF/PNC merger lasted from 64-68. How is that 27 years? I always knew you were intellectually challegenged but I didn't realize that you were that stupid. The single most significant factor that contributed to Guyana's economic ruin was the adoption of Socialism by Burnham and his subsequent nationalizing of the bauxite and sugar industries. Your commie hero Jagan was giving Burnham "critical support" during this period as he was taking orders from the Cubans and Soviets like the good little commie stooge that he was. Many diehard PPP'ites also jumped ship and went along with Burnham in the days he was ruining the country. Cheddi loved so much what Burnham was doing that they were having power sharing talks when Burnham croaked. You obviously don't know your history and you're just trying to rewrite it in order to cast the blame on someone else.

Jagdeo raised Guyana to prominence? Let me guess - right next to Haiti in every index that ranks human development, economic prosperity, corruption, etc. In the last Transparency International ranking, Guyana was right next to Nigeria, a country so infamous for corruption that there is a famous scam named for them. Is this the type of prominence you strive for since you yourself are mediocre at best? Sorry, I am not impressed by mediocrity.

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Originally posted by André:

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Originally posted by Sunil:
Letter: Guyana president not the first CARICOM leader to meet with Iran


Published on Friday, January 22, 2010Email To Friend Print Version

Dear Sir:

A Caribbean Net News story of Thursday's date, datelined “Kuwait City” and written by Ray Chickrie, says in the 5th paragraph of the story, with reference to Guyana’s leader, says that he (Mr Jagdeo) who arrived in Iran this week, is “...the first leader of a Caribbean country (Caricom) to visit the Islamic Republic of Iran.”

I wish to correct this since the Prime Minister of St Vincent and the Grenadines, Dr Ralph Gonsalves, visited the Iranian capital in April, 2009, and held talks with the Iranian President, Makmoud Ahmadinejad and Vice President, Parviz Davoudi.

We, at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of St Vincent and the Grenadines, thought it important to issue this correction for the records.

E B John
Senior Communications Officer
Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Commerce and Trade of St Vincent and the Grenadines

Chickrie writes pure unadulterated garbage. He would fit in well with the rest of dunces in the PPP.

I notice ray using "we" when speaking of the people. He has apparently been transmogrified into a citizen of the region!

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Originally posted by André:
This ungrateful dog named Jagdeo. The U.S. should have left them alone and let the AIDS overrun the place.

the us cannot even deal with the aids dem rass gat here..every day a new virus emerging and dem rass want fe know where it coming from...the GREAT usa.

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Originally posted by André:

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Originally posted by Sunil:
Letter: Guyana president not the first CARICOM leader to meet with Iran


Published on Friday, January 22, 2010Email To Friend Print Version

Dear Sir:

A Caribbean Net News story of Thursday's date, datelined “Kuwait City” and written by Ray Chickrie, says in the 5th paragraph of the story, with reference to Guyana’s leader, says that he (Mr Jagdeo) who arrived in Iran this week, is “...the first leader of a Caribbean country (Caricom) to visit the Islamic Republic of Iran.”

I wish to correct this since the Prime Minister of St Vincent and the Grenadines, Dr Ralph Gonsalves, visited the Iranian capital in April, 2009, and held talks with the Iranian President, Makmoud Ahmadinejad and Vice President, Parviz Davoudi.

We, at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of St Vincent and the Grenadines, thought it important to issue this correction for the records.

E B John
Senior Communications Officer
Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Commerce and Trade of St Vincent and the Grenadines

Chickrie writes pure unadulterated garbage. He would fit in well with the rest of dunces in the PPP.

I notice ray using "we" when speaking of the people. He has apparently been transmogrified into a citizen of the region!

stop hating put poo Ray..yu jell-us or waa...yu had yu chance ole fart...chill now and let the young man do his thing.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by André:

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Originally posted by Sunil:
Letter: Guyana president not the first CARICOM leader to meet with Iran


Published on Friday, January 22, 2010Email To Friend Print Version

Dear Sir:

A Caribbean Net News story of Thursday's date, datelined “Kuwait City” and written by Ray Chickrie, says in the 5th paragraph of the story, with reference to Guyana’s leader, says that he (Mr Jagdeo) who arrived in Iran this week, is “...the first leader of a Caribbean country (Caricom) to visit the Islamic Republic of Iran.”

I wish to correct this since the Prime Minister of St Vincent and the Grenadines, Dr Ralph Gonsalves, visited the Iranian capital in April, 2009, and held talks with the Iranian President, Makmoud Ahmadinejad and Vice President, Parviz Davoudi.

We, at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of St Vincent and the Grenadines, thought it important to issue this correction for the records.

E B John
Senior Communications Officer
Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Commerce and Trade of St Vincent and the Grenadines

Chickrie writes pure unadulterated garbage. He would fit in well with the rest of dunces in the PPP.

I notice ray using "we" when speaking of the people. He has apparently been transmogrified into a citizen of the region!

stop hating put poo Ray..yu jell-us or waa...yu had yu chance ole fart...chill now and let the young man do his thing.

dude, Ray is Ray and there is little in him to be jealous of. I admire his zeal for his religion but I do not judge people or make decisions on a religious basis and when any try to cram that down my throat, it is obligatory to remind them of it.

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Originally posted by Berbician:
If President Jagdeo was in Trinidad at that time his comments would have been the same, people like Emile Mervin need to get up from their racist arses and start seeing the world for what it is and not through a narrow prism of US imperialistic tendencies.

YUh know every election time indoes does get some fine cutrazz. Wid all dem provocation yuh lambasing dem afroes wid. Doan be surprised at the upcoming elections. Since in the 1960's yuh people shooting off alyuh mouth and eversince the violence on indians get more severe each elections.

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Originally posted by André:
This ungrateful dog named Jagdeo. The U.S. should have left them alone and let the AIDS overrun the place.

Andre,

Do you have the same problem with Ralph Gonzales standing up to the US of the same issue?

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Originally posted by Mara:

Andre,
Do you have the same problem with Ralph Gonzales standing up to the US of the same issue?

I have the same problem with any ungrateful dog. If you want to curse me that's fine but don't come begging at my doorstep if you choose to do so. Go and beg the Cubans or North Koreans instead since you love their ideology so much.

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Originally posted by André:

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Originally posted by Mara:

Andre,
Do you have the same problem with Ralph Gonzales standing up to the US of the same issue?

I have the same problem with any ungrateful dog. If you want to curse me that's fine but don't come begging at my doorstep if you choose to do so. Go and beg the Cubans or North Koreans instead since you love their ideology so much .

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Originally posted by André:

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Originally posted by Mara:

Andre,
Do you have the same problem with Ralph Gonzales standing up to the US of the same issue?

I have the same problem with any ungrateful dog. If you want to curse me that's fine but don't come begging at my doorstep if you choose to do so. Go and beg the Cubans or North Koreans instead since you love their ideology so much.

The USA should have juss lef Desmond Hoyte to run the country, we would have been better off.

[/QUOTE]I have the same problem with any ungrateful dog. If you want to curse me that's fine but don't come begging at my doorstep if you choose to do so. Go and beg the Cubans or North Koreans instead since you love their ideology so much.[/QUOTE]

Ok, but do you feel that Ralph Gonzales is also an ungrateful dog? You see, while some of you believe that we owe an eternal debt of gratitude to our "omnipotent benefactors" in the developed world, I see things from a different perspective. I believe an objective examination of historical facts will show that Alliance Politics between unequal partners has seldom accrued to the benefit of the minor partner. In fact, in most instances, such alliances has been to the detriment of the poor nations. Examples are replete in Africa, India, the Middle East, Central & South America. In the case of Guyana , Britain and the US, over the centuries, have extracted far more resources ( Gold diamond, bauxite, timber, sugar, human resources ) than the pittance they have bequeathed to the wretched inhabitants . Even in today "New Global Order" that trend continues unabated. Of the 300,000 odd ozs of gold extracted last year ( consertivly valued @ 1/4 billion US ) the lion share was siphoned out to foreign entities while the hapless poor are still trying to eek out an existence. The much touted Remission of foreign currencies by the diaspora is but a tiny fraction of the net benefit accrued to developed nations due to ongoing brain drain.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
hey yu racist pig...show some damm respeck fu Dr Jagdeo OK and address him properly next time....good.

Did you not notice that I ignore you? Just to help you out by not wasting time in the future answering my posts I long since realized that you are a FreeDUMMY House guy, so serious discussion with you is impossible.

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Originally posted by André:
Jagdeo raised Guyana to prominence? Let me guess - right next to Haiti in every index that ranks human development, economic prosperity, corruption, etc. In the last Transparency International ranking, Guyana was right next to Nigeria, a country so infamous for corruption that there is a famous scam named for them. Is this the type of prominence you strive for since you yourself are mediocre at best? Sorry, I am not impressed by mediocrity.

Good that you remind drugb that the PPP cheered while Burnham put in place measure sthat destroyed Guyana. Guyana's BEST years were between 1965 and 1972. The worst began with teh Sophia Declaration when the PNC joined the PPP in that failed experiment called communism, and received critical support from the PPP for doing this.

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CaribJ: The worst began with teh Sophia Declaration when the PNC joined the PPP in that failed experiment called communism, and received critical support from the PPP for doing this.

And the two are now having secret talks to satisfy the ambitions of two leaders - Jagdeo and Corbin. The good of Guyana is not part of the secret talks.

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Originally posted by Mara:

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Originally posted by André:
This ungrateful dog named Jagdeo. The U.S. should have left them alone and let the AIDS overrun the place.

Andre,

Do you have the same problem with Ralph Gonzales standing up to the US of the same issue?

Let me see. Guyana is the poorest country in the AngloCaribbean and St Vincent is slightly less poor. I can see why Gonzales is raving mad as his banana industry has collapsed, the drug traffixckers whio used to support him no longer do, he is wasting money building ajet airport when he has no hotel rooms or beaches and his folks only go home for Xmas, Easter and Vincy Mas......I would say that Jagdeo ha sgood company.....except that Guyana should stop hanging out with Haiti and StV and aim to do better than Barbados, Antigua and The Bahamas.

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Originally posted by Mara:

"omnipotent benefactors" in the developed world, .

We get more from our socalled benefactors than from the likes of Iran, and Cuba. And the third maniac Chavez still covets two thirds of Guyana.

Take a look at where we get most of our aid, who buys most of our products, including our sugar, that they do not need given that teh EU has a net surplus of sugar that they are threatening to dump on the world market. If Brazil is not able to stop them.

Other than nice "agreements" what do we get from these socalled third world "heroes" most noted for torturing and killing their own people. Honestly for a man who hates Burnham why does Jagdeo support these people who make Forbes look positively angelic?

We are a nation which likes to scream that we are sovereign and that no other can tell us what to do. The implication of that is that those who we look up to (USA, Canada and the EU) despite our spirited denials of such have no reason to take care of us as they do their "colonies" like Puerto Rico, Martinique or Montserrat.

So why rage against them because they dont spoil us the way we want them to by running off to a lunatic nation and allowing ourselves to be used as part of their propaganda war against the USA?

Jagdeo had NO business screaming at the USA through Iran's propaganda machine. Iran was looking for an English speaking country in the Americas to "expose" the USA. US$1.5M and a stupid promise to "map our minerals" is clearly not worth the aggravation that being seen as allied with a terrorist nation which oppresses and kills its own nationals will entail.

Does Jagdeo want Guyanese to be profiled like Iranians, Yemenis and Pakistanis when they pass through North American and European airports because we sleep with terrorists?

For a man who screams about how terrible Burnham was to friends up with teh Ayatollahs who are much worse, seems hypocritical.

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Originally posted by TK:

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CaribJ: The worst began with teh Sophia Declaration when the PNC joined the PPP in that failed experiment called communism, and received critical support from the PPP for doing this.

And the two are now having secret talks to satisfy the ambitions of two leaders - Jagdeo and Corbin. The good of Guyana is not part of the secret talks.

Yes. jagdeo realizes that a fancy international job is not in his future and clearly he blames the USA. This based on the sudden US bashing by his employees berbician and SJ.

And Corbin.......the man is seriously worried that he will end up as a destitute old man as, not being in power for the last 17 years, he has not had opportunities to steal and I bet his "pension" is way below what some one will need to live decently in Guyana.

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Originally posted by caribj:
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We get more from our socalled benefactors than from the likes of Iran, and Cuba and the third maniac Chavez still covets two thirds of Guyana.

Take a look at where we get most of our aid, who buys most of our products, including our sugar that they do not need given that teh EU has a net surplus of sugar that they are threatening to dump on the world market if Brazil is not able to stop them.

Other than nice agreements what do we get from these socalled third world heroes most note dfor torturing and killing their own people. Honestly for a man who hates Burnham why do you support these people who make Forbes look positively angelic?

While a few decades of flirtation with the Socialist Bloc may have been stupid & short sighted, being the yard-boy of the West most certainly have not extracted us from the mud pit either. As I said earlier, Alliance Politics with unequal partners seldom accrue to the benefit of the smaller/ weaker one. The deck is always stacked in favor of the rich & powerful. I am no expert on foreign policies , but I believe every Nation has the right to pursue their own agenda free from recremination / treats from big brother. The US don't have a problem with dealing with their biggest and preferential trading partner, Communist China, but others are expected to kowtow to their every whims and fancy.

BTW, I do not hate Burnham . I just despised his brand of politics, and my opinion here are independent of the partisan crap that passes for commentaries. It does not make me a supporter of the PPP or anyone.

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Originally posted by TK:

And the two are now having secret talks to satisfy the ambitions of two leaders - Jagdeo and Corbin. The good of Guyana is not part of the secret talks.

... and AFC & Trotman held no talks with the PNC & Corbin? and Corbin is a damn liar to claim that such talks were taking place between the PNC & AFC?

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MARA... and AFC & Trotman held no talks with the PNC & Corbin? and Corbin is a damn liar to claim that such talks were taking place between the PNC & AFC?

So you have new found faith in Corbin?

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Originally posted by Mara:

I have the same problem with any ungrateful dog. If you want to curse me that's fine but don't come begging at my doorstep if you choose to do so. Go and beg the Cubans or North Koreans instead since you love their ideology so much.

Ok, but do you feel that Ralph Gonzales is also an ungrateful dog? You see, while some of you believe that we owe an eternal debt of gratitude to our "omnipotent benefactors" in the developed world, I see things from a different perspective. I believe an objective examination of historical facts will show that Alliance Politics between unequal partners has seldom accrued to the benefit of the minor partner. In fact, in most instances, such alliances has been to the detriment of the poor nations. Examples are replete in Africa, India, the Middle East, Central & South America. In the case of Guyana , Britain and the US, over the centuries, have extracted far more resources ( Gold diamond, bauxite, timber, sugar, human resources ) than the pittance they have bequeathed to the wretched inhabitants . Even in today "New Global Order" that trend continues unabated. Of the 300,000 odd ozs of gold extracted last year ( consertivly valued @ 1/4 billion US ) the lion share was siphoned out to foreign entities while the hapless poor are still trying to eek out an existence. The much touted Remission of foreign currencies by the diaspora is but a tiny fraction of the net benefit accrued to developed nations due to ongoing brain drain.

I do not think it is a belief in owing allegiance for benefaction. It is a cultural thing as well as identity with what has become for better or worse our heritage. We are not disposed to authoritarianism and my kinship with the Persian is an intellectual one not one of kindred. I would feel an outsider in Tehran and so would most Guyanese. None of us would be alienated on the streets of London or NY or even Paris. Remittances are a measure of this historical network interconnection with the west and not merely aid to our siblings in our home countries. That is our contribution to an ordering of our world rather than any world order. Further, this is not a world where the conquered/conqueror dynamics continue to play out. It is a world where each seek out reciprocal benefaction based on common interest.

Also, those in charge of raping Guyana are not foreigners but our own in concert with foreigners. The PPP through outright deception and crass subterfuge forced an agreement with Vanessa on us. Those in charge of OMAI now presumably of Canadian ownership includes Guyanese as its benefactors so it is not Canada or USA raping us since many of us now have supranational identities. It is our own in concert with others and I would more fear being abused by those in the palatine suburbia of Pradoville.

Yes, the US or Canada or Europe do not give a rats ass about us in general. They care that their specific interest in the region is conserved. It is therefor on us to examine what relationship with others give us the best befits and from the standpoint of culture, reciprocal relations, and comfort level. It is clear stand to benefit most a in our relationship with the western powers.

Further, we are become a western people. No one is going back to the tribalism of their ancestors and despite many paying homage to their origins none of us are going back there. We are what we have become and the loss of good relations with the west will not be filled with developing relations with Iran.

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Originally posted by Mara:
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While a few decades of flirtation with the Socialist Bloc may have been stupid & short sighted, being the yard-boy of the West most certainly have not extracted us from the mud pit either. As I said earlier, Alliance Politics with unequal partners seldom accrue to the benefit of the smaller/ weaker one. The deck is always stacked in favor of the rich & powerful. I am no expert on foreign policies , but I believe every Nation has the right to pursue their own agenda free from recremination / treats from big brother. The US don't have a problem with dealing with their biggest and preferential trading partner, Communist China, but others are expected to kowtow to their every whims and fancy.

BTW, I do not hate Burnham . I just despised his brand of politics, and my opinion here are independent of the partisan crap that passes for commentaries. It does not make me a supporter of the PPP or anyone.

Who is asking any one to be a yard boy of the West. Its Jagdeo's eager desire to be Iran's yard boy which is the issue. As of now Iran has its own tantrum against the USA which they are coordinating with Chavez and the castro brothers. Can you tell me what Jagdeo has to gain by getting into the middle of it?

Tell me how did Jadgeo represent Guyana by sitting down with the Iran govt and bashing teh USA? What did we get out of it?

His comments have been duly noted by the Obama admininstration and by others concerned with Iran's attempts to get nuclear warheads.

Already we have enough issues with the USA as we have been refusing to release drug barons. They have found other ways to put their hands o them and JAIL them. Why add something else....and something that really matters and that is appearing to become an ally of Iran in the Americas?

Do you really think that we have the clout to use this as a way of frightening the USA? No they will merely write us off. And with teh possibility of the terrorism obsessed Republicans taking back Congress in Nov who knows how this might be used by some ignorant senator, or congressman willing to push his weight around to "defend" USA. Already they are trying to destroy Antigua because that island embarrassed them at the WTO. I already see the headlines "Guyana supports the terrorist Iran". We are already viewed as an odd ball nation. Why add to that perception.


Jagdeo and other Caricom heads need to understand that they have no business getting into other people's quarrels as this doesnt serve teh best interests of their peoples who depend in many ways for access to teh West. And who no longer matter to the West so can easily be ignored.

You need to check to see who controls the entities which fund us and who buys our exports when you have time. Check to see which countries Guyanese travel to as well, and where they wish to migrate to or recieve remittances from? Note that Iran appears no where on that list.

You can also get into USA's dealings with China. Guess what. Like you said there is no symmetry in pwoer. We need the West. As an impoverished nation with no strategic importance they dont need us.

We can go to the United Nations and bawl about how we are persecuted for dabbling with a dictatorship much as USA and the EU dabble with another. Rest assured China matters and the only reason why Iran does is because its led by a mad dictator who has no problem in starting World War III.

Its about time the English speaking Caribbean grows up and understands reality which is that we matter to NO ONE. Other than ourselves so our childish antics are no longer funny.

Bottom line is that Raul Castro is a dictator quite willing to torture and kill his people if they dare to question his regime. Chavez can bribe his with his oil wealth.


If GY and StV suffer from the folly of their leaders what will they do? I know StV will have a new leader as they have a functioning democracy. With our racial insecurities what will happen in GY if we get "ignored" and our economy suffers?

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Originally posted by TK:


So you have new found faith in Corbin?

No, I do not have faith in Corbin, but neither do I have any faith in Trotman or anyone else. For me, the whole secret discussion thing is only different contortions from all sides to further their narrow political agenda.

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Originally posted by André:

Because the ungrateful dog is biting the hand that has been feeding the Guyanese peoople forever. My taxpayer dollars was spent by the U.S. government to help save Guyana from being overrun by AIDS and how does the international beggar Jagdeo give thanks for the handout? He turns around and curses the U.S. with the Iranians.

We already discussed your stupid notion that the Portuguese ruined the country. We have established that when the Portuguese exodus took place in the late 60's, early 70's, the country's economy was still in a viable shape. The UF/PNC merger lasted from 64-68. How is that 27 years? I always knew you were intellectually challegenged but I didn't realize that you were that stupid. The single most significant factor that contributed to Guyana's economic ruin was the adoption of Socialism by Burnham and his subsequent nationalizing of the bauxite and sugar industries. Your commie hero Jagan was giving Burnham "critical support" during this period as he was taking orders from the Cubans and Soviets like the good little commie stooge that he was. Many diehard PPP'ites also jumped ship and went along with Burnham in the days he was ruining the country. Cheddi loved so much what Burnham was doing that they were having power sharing talks when Burnham croaked. You obviously don't know your history and you're just trying to rewrite it in order to cast the blame on someone else.

Jagdeo raised Guyana to prominence? Let me guess - right next to Haiti in every index that ranks human development, economic prosperity, corruption, etc. In the last Transparency International ranking, Guyana was right next to Nigeria, a country so infamous for corruption that there is a famous scam named for them. Is this the type of prominence you strive for since you yourself are mediocre at best? Sorry, I am not impressed by mediocrity.

Don't lie, unemployed welfare recipient don't pay taxes, much less the pittance for AiDs that was given to Guyana grudgingly. You and your kind plundered Guyana until you were given the boot by good old Burnham who you put in power. In fact it is a lie that the UF broke away from the PNC. In fact the Portuguese voters continued to support the PNC while the UF merely served as a false front. How do you think D'aiguar lasted so long?

No doubt Jagan was an idiot which I keep repeating over and over again, but you have selective perception. We are talking about Jagdeo and what he has done for the nation. In fact Guyana has climbed many indexes to surpass many other nations during his tenure, but more remains to be done. That's why Jagdeo deserves a 3rd term.

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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by André:

In fact Guyana has climbed many indexes to surpass many other nations during his tenure, but more remains to be done. That's why Jagdeo deserves a 3rd term.

can you name these nations and are any within caricom?

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Originally posted by Mara:

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Originally posted by TK:


So you have new found faith in Corbin?

No, I do not have faith in Corbin, but neither do I have any faith in Trotman or anyone else. For me, the whole secret discussion thing is only different contortions from all sides to further their narrow political agenda.

I am with you on that. For that reason I find Madison in federalist 51 my most profound reason for not trusting people in government or government for itself. One must have systems in place to check the self interest of men who are disposed to corruption in the presence of power.

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Originally posted by BGurd_See:

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Originally posted by André:

Because the ungrateful dog is biting the hand that has been feeding the Guyanese peoople forever. My taxpayer dollars was spent by the U.S. government to help save Guyana from being overrun by AIDS and how does the international beggar Jagdeo give thanks for the handout? He turns around and curses the U.S. with the Iranians.

We already discussed your stupid notion that the Portuguese ruined the country. We have established that when the Portuguese exodus took place in the late 60's, early 70's, the country's economy was still in a viable shape. The UF/PNC merger lasted from 64-68. How is that 27 years? I always knew you were intellectually challegenged but I didn't realize that you were that stupid. The single most significant factor that contributed to Guyana's economic ruin was the adoption of Socialism by Burnham and his subsequent nationalizing of the bauxite and sugar industries. Your commie hero Jagan was giving Burnham "critical support" during this period as he was taking orders from the Cubans and Soviets like the good little commie stooge that he was. Many diehard PPP'ites also jumped ship and went along with Burnham in the days he was ruining the country. Cheddi loved so much what Burnham was doing that they were having power sharing talks when Burnham croaked. You obviously don't know your history and you're just trying to rewrite it in order to cast the blame on someone else.

Jagdeo raised Guyana to prominence? Let me guess - right next to Haiti in every index that ranks human development, economic prosperity, corruption, etc. In the last Transparency International ranking, Guyana was right next to Nigeria, a country so infamous for corruption that there is a famous scam named for them. Is this the type of prominence you strive for since you yourself are mediocre at best? Sorry, I am not impressed by mediocrity.

Don't lie, unemployed welfare recipient don't pay taxes, much less the pittance for AiDs that was given to Guyana grudgingly. You and your kind plundered Guyana until you were given the boot by good old Burnham who you put in power. In fact it is a lie that the UF broke away from the PNC. In fact the Portuguese voters continued to support the PNC while the UF merely served as a false front. How do you think D'aiguar lasted so long?


No doubt Jagan was an idiot which I keep repeating over and over again, but you have selective perception. We are talking about Jagdeo and what he has done for the nation. In fact Guyana has climbed many indexes to surpass many other nations during his tenure, but more remains to be done. That's why Jagdeo deserves a 3rd term.

The US built our anti HIV infrastructure in its totality.

QUit this crap about blaming "you and your kind" for anything. That is a facile interpretation of what happened. Should Amerinds blame Indians and Africans for squatting on their land?

Note the British were not invited and who they brought though innocent byproducts of that unequal relationships of the period, have inherited the artificial state that is Guyana planted firmly on Tierra Firma that was previously owned.

Could you list these indexes and the nations we surpassed over the period of Jagdeo's tenure?

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Originally posted by D2: The US built our anti HIV infrastructure in its totality.

QUit this crap about blaming "you and your kind" for anything. That is a facile interpretation of what happened. Should Amerinds blame Indians and Africans for squatting on their land?

Note the British were not invited and who they brought though innocent byproducts of that unequal relationships of the period, have inherited the artificial state that is Guyana planted firmly on Tierra Firma that was previously owned.

Could you list these indexes and the nations we surpassed over the period of Jagdeo's tenure?

d2 wth all due respect to the rights of amerindian under Guyana's constitution let understand that Guyana is a conquered piece of geography , the amerindians lost just as african countries , India , native america and many European countries . We have tgo get past this fact .What is in question is whether amerindians have effective representation and whether they are accorded equal rights under the constitution as well as social justice based on moral reasoning and I say no they are being f'ed over by the PPP as they were under the PNC. There is no shame is being a defeated and conquered people however what is important is not what was but what is and what is possible in the immediate future . Hands down the amerindians are being f'ed over at this time what and how they gather representation is another issue .

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Originally posted by Mara:

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Originally posted by André:
I have the same problem with any ungrateful dog. If you want to curse me that's fine but don't come begging at my doorstep if you choose to do so. Go and beg the Cubans or North Koreans instead since you love their ideology so much.

Ok, but do you feel that Ralph Gonzales is also an ungrateful dog? You see, while some of you believe that we owe an eternal debt of gratitude to our "omnipotent benefactors" in the developed world, I see things from a different perspective. I believe an objective examination of historical facts will show that Alliance Politics between unequal partners has seldom accrued to the benefit of the minor partner. In fact, in most instances, such alliances has been to the detriment of the poor nations. Examples are replete in Africa, India, the Middle East, Central & South America. In the case of Guyana , Britain and the US, over the centuries, have extracted far more resources ( Gold diamond, bauxite, timber, sugar, human resources ) than the pittance they have bequeathed to the wretched inhabitants . Even in today "New Global Order" that trend continues unabated. Of the 300,000 odd ozs of gold extracted last year ( consertivly valued @ 1/4 billion US ) the lion share was siphoned out to foreign entities while the hapless poor are still trying to eek out an existence. The much touted Remission of foreign currencies by the diaspora is but a tiny fraction of the net benefit accrued to developed nations due to ongoing brain drain.

You have to look at the forum and the context which Jagdeo used to chastise America. Iran is in the midst of a standoff with the U.S. and only yesterday its Supreme Leader leveled a threat of using force against the West in the next few days. Even though it's laughable at best, it just shows the mentality of the unstable leaders who are currently in charge of Iran. Enter Jagdeo on an official state visit, cozying up with the Iranian lunatics and cursing out the U.S. He comes across as a Chavez wannabe on the world stage when he acts in such an irresponsible manner. It's a vastly different scenario than him being in Guyana (or Ralphie the rapist being at home) spewing anti-US rhetoric.

Jagdeo is falling into the same trap like Cheddi did. You have to exhibit some form of diplomacy especially when dealing with a country which you depend on for aid and foreign markets. These fools have no concept of what tact means. He doesn't understand that he's only a little third world dictator who means nothing in the global scheme of things. Guyana should be truly non-aligned to take advantage of opportunities for economic growth but it doesn't mean that you can go around the world showing your middle finger to the U.S., especially with a country which the Americans have deemed to be a part of the axis of evil. Think about how the American authorities will be viewing him when he makes a courtesy call on the U.S. with his PPP begging cup or sitting in Guyana trying to negotiate more aid money so that he can get his hands on some of it to fatten his retirement account. The same scenario was already played out by Cheddi forming an alliance with the Soviets during the Cold War and getting a kick in his ass from the Americans in return. Whoever said anything about owing an eternal debt to anyone? All Jagdeo needs to do is show some maturity to the eyes of the world and the country will be better off for it.

Seeing that you chose to mention gold, you must know that whoever owns the gold makes the rules. Throughout the history of mankind, empires have been built on the sweat and resources of weaker nations. Not that it's 100% the right thing to do but it's the way the world spins. Add China to Britain and the U.S. if you want to speak about modern day plunderers. Read about how China is raping Africa to make themselves the world's largest producer of gold and lumber.

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Originally posted by BGurd_See:

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Originally posted by André:

Because the ungrateful dog is biting the hand that has been feeding the Guyanese peoople forever. My taxpayer dollars was spent by the U.S. government to help save Guyana from being overrun by AIDS and how does the international beggar Jagdeo give thanks for the handout? He turns around and curses the U.S. with the Iranians.

We already discussed your stupid notion that the Portuguese ruined the country. We have established that when the Portuguese exodus took place in the late 60's, early 70's, the country's economy was still in a viable shape. The UF/PNC merger lasted from 64-68. How is that 27 years? I always knew you were intellectually challegenged but I didn't realize that you were that stupid. The single most significant factor that contributed to Guyana's economic ruin was the adoption of Socialism by Burnham and his subsequent nationalizing of the bauxite and sugar industries. Your commie hero Jagan was giving Burnham "critical support" during this period as he was taking orders from the Cubans and Soviets like the good little commie stooge that he was. Many diehard PPP'ites also jumped ship and went along with Burnham in the days he was ruining the country. Cheddi loved so much what Burnham was doing that they were having power sharing talks when Burnham croaked. You obviously don't know your history and you're just trying to rewrite it in order to cast the blame on someone else.

Jagdeo raised Guyana to prominence? Let me guess - right next to Haiti in every index that ranks human development, economic prosperity, corruption, etc. In the last Transparency International ranking, Guyana was right next to Nigeria, a country so infamous for corruption that there is a famous scam named for them. Is this the type of prominence you strive for since you yourself are mediocre at best? Sorry, I am not impressed by mediocrity.

Don't lie, unemployed welfare recipient don't pay taxes, much less the pittance for AiDs that was given to Guyana grudgingly. You and your kind plundered Guyana until you were given the boot by good old Burnham who you put in power. In fact it is a lie that the UF broke away from the PNC. In fact the Portuguese voters continued to support the PNC while the UF merely served as a false front. How do you think D'aiguar lasted so long?

No doubt Jagan was an idiot which I keep repeating over and over again, but you have selective perception. We are talking about Jagdeo and what he has done for the nation. In fact Guyana has climbed many indexes to surpass many other nations during his tenure, but more remains to be done. That's why Jagdeo deserves a 3rd term.

I realize that you're only here for entertainment purposes when you can claim that I'm an unemployed welfare recipient. If you're such a dunce and can be employed, then just think about how marketable and handsomely rewarded I am, considering that I possess superior intellect and experience when compared to you.

You should at least attempt to be objective, then people might consider changing their opinion of you as the forum clown. The U.S. is the largest contributor of funding in the fight against AIDS and contributes more than the entire G8, EU and other countries around the world combined. Guyana is one of 15 target countries of PEPFAR (the American program in the fight against AIDS) and receives a considerable amount of money to help fight the disease. Guyana was chosen because the AIDS rate there was amongst the highest in Latin America and the Caribbean. America literally saved Guyana from being overrun by AIDS. As an aside, is the highest AIDS rate one of the indexes which you claim that Guyana is climbing past other countries?

When D'Aguiar got wind of the PNC's upcoming plans to rig the 1968 elections, he did the honorable thing and resigned from the cabinet in 67. Your type, led by your hero Cheddi, then gave "critical support" to the PNC a few years later and their nationalization plans led to the economic meltdown of the nation. D'Aguiar lasted so long because the man was a visionary who knew how to build and run things. It's a pity that the masses couldn't look past race and elect the man, since he had the knowhow to transform the country into economic prosperity. Something that's severely lacking in your type. Just look at the fumbling bumbling idiots in the current cabinet.

What are these many indexes in which Guyana is climbing past many other nations? I know you can climb down a ladder so maybe that's what you're referring to - our continuous downward slide on the measures of human development, economic prosperity and corruption.

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Originally posted by kidmost:

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Originally posted by D2: The US built our anti HIV infrastructure in its totality.

QUit this crap about blaming "you and your kind" for anything. That is a facile interpretation of what happened. Should Amerinds blame Indians and Africans for squatting on their land?

Note the British were not invited and who they brought though innocent byproducts of that unequal relationships of the period, have inherited the artificial state that is Guyana planted firmly on Tierra Firma that was previously owned.

Could you list these indexes and the nations we surpassed over the period of Jagdeo's tenure?

d2 wth all due respect to the rights of amerindian under Guyana's constitution let understand that Guyana is a conquered piece of geography , the amerindians lost just as african countries , India , native america and many European countries . We have tgo get past this fact .What is in question is whether amerindians have effective representation and whether they are accorded equal rights under the constitution as well as social justice based on moral reasoning and I say no they are being f'ed over by the PPP as they were under the PNC. There is no shame is being a defeated and conquered people however what is important is not what was but what is and what is possible in the immediate future . Hands down the amerindians are being f'ed over at this time what and how they gather representation is another issue .

To the contrary, Amerinds were not conquered. THey signed treaties and those were acknowledged by the British when they consolidated they territories and the pre independence agreement acknowledge that all treaties are to remain in full effect.

Dude someone takes away your land , takes title to it is being beaten and conquered . In some islands of the caribbeans and south america nations were wiped out into extinction , annihilated . India was conquered , China was conquered , England was conquered and so on and so on . What is important is not to preface arguments with who was here first but who is now entitled under the constitution .

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Originally posted by kidmost:
Dude someone takes away your land , takes title to it is being beaten and conquered . In some islands of the caribbeans and south america nations were wiped out into extinction , annihilated . India was conquered , China was conquered , England was conquered and so on and so on . What is important is not to preface arguments with who was here first but who is now entitled under the constitution .

That may be you uninformed opinion but the fact that the nation has special dispensation with respect to lands and tribal ownership speaks to a different reality. Our treaties date back to the 1780's and affirmed by the British in the 1820's and 1830's Note in the early 1900's that was further clarified and again in the 1920's. Then we have the pre independence agreement and the struggles to reaffirm that by subsequent PNC and PPP government in the 1976 and 2006. None of these reflect on the constitution but on natural partimony predating it.

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Originally posted by André:
I realize that you're only here for entertainment purposes when you can claim that I'm an unemployed welfare recipient. If you're such a dunce and can be employed, then just think about how marketable and handsomely rewarded I am, considering that I possess superior intellect and experience when compared to you.

You should at least attempt to be objective, then people might consider changing their opinion of you as the forum clown. The U.S. is the largest contributor of funding in the fight against AIDS and contributes more than the entire G8, EU and other countries around the world combined. Guyana is one of 15 target countries of PEPFAR (the American program in the fight against AIDS) and receives a considerable amount of money to help fight the disease. Guyana was chosen because the AIDS rate there was amongst the highest in Latin America and the Caribbean. America literally saved Guyana from being overrun by AIDS. As an aside, is the highest AIDS rate one of the indexes which you claim that Guyana is climbing past other countries?

When D'Aguiar got wind of the PNC's upcoming plans to rig the 1968 elections, he did the honorable thing and resigned from the cabinet in 67. Your type, led by your hero Cheddi, then gave "critical support" to the PNC a few years later and their nationalization plans led to the economic meltdown of the nation. D'Aguiar lasted so long because the man was a visionary who knew how to build and run things. It's a pity that the masses couldn't look past race and elect the man, since he had the knowhow to transform the country into economic prosperity. Something that's severely lacking in your type. Just look at the fumbling bumbling idiots in the current cabinet.

What are these many indexes in which Guyana is climbing past many other nations? I know you can climb down a ladder so maybe that's what you're referring to - our continuous downward slide on the measures of human development, economic prosperity and corruption.

Indeed you are a legend in your own mind but note that self praise is no complement. How it must pain you to see Indians do well in the US while those of mixed Black and Portuguese lineage like your self have to serve as errand boys for qualified professionals like myself.

Because the US gives AIDS money to Guyana does not mean that they are their masters and must do their bidding. If Guyana choose to criticize the US for their high handed ways in Haiti then it is its sovereign right to do so and the amount of aid from the US does not buy its silence. There was no precondition to the giving of aid money to Guyana for AIDS. Only an disingenuous person like yourself would even bring that up.

Now D'Aiguar played the political game very well when the PNC was in power. He got preferential treatment in running his business and was privy to all sorts of tax breaks because he threw in his lot with Burnham. D'Aiguar is dunce who only survive because of his political affiliation.

Since you are a dunce I will educate you. In 2008 Guyana was #88 in the press freedom index, in 2009 it jumped to #39. While there is room for improvement in the human rights and economic freedom index, Guyana is well on its way to moving up the charts.

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Originally posted by BGurd_See:

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Originally posted by André:
I realize that you're only here for entertainment purposes when you can claim that I'm an unemployed welfare recipient. If you're such a dunce and can be employed, then just think about how marketable and handsomely rewarded I am, considering that I possess superior intellect and experience when compared to you.

You should at least attempt to be objective, then people might consider changing their opinion of you as the forum clown. The U.S. is the largest contributor of funding in the fight against AIDS and contributes more than the entire G8, EU and other countries around the world combined. Guyana is one of 15 target countries of PEPFAR (the American program in the fight against AIDS) and receives a considerable amount of money to help fight the disease. Guyana was chosen because the AIDS rate there was amongst the highest in Latin America and the Caribbean. America literally saved Guyana from being overrun by AIDS. As an aside, is the highest AIDS rate one of the indexes which you claim that Guyana is climbing past other countries?

When D'Aguiar got wind of the PNC's upcoming plans to rig the 1968 elections, he did the honorable thing and resigned from the cabinet in 67. Your type, led by your hero Cheddi, then gave "critical support" to the PNC a few years later and their nationalization plans led to the economic meltdown of the nation. D'Aguiar lasted so long because the man was a visionary who knew how to build and run things. It's a pity that the masses couldn't look past race and elect the man, since he had the knowhow to transform the country into economic prosperity. Something that's severely lacking in your type. Just look at the fumbling bumbling idiots in the current cabinet.

What are these many indexes in which Guyana is climbing past many other nations? I know you can climb down a ladder so maybe that's what you're referring to - our continuous downward slide on the measures of human development, economic prosperity and corruption.

Indeed you are a legend in your own mind but note that self praise is no complement. How it must pain you to see Indians do well in the US while those of mixed Black and Portuguese lineage like your self have to serve as errand boys for qualified professionals like myself.

Because the US gives AIDS money to Guyana does not mean that they are their masters and must do their bidding. If Guyana choose to criticize the US for their high handed ways in Haiti then it is its sovereign right to do so and the amount of aid from the US does not buy its silence. There was no precondition to the giving of aid money to Guyana for AIDS. Only an disingenuous person like yourself would even bring that up.

Now D'Aiguar played the political game very well when the PNC was in power. He got preferential treatment in running his business and was privy to all sorts of tax breaks because he threw in his lot with Burnham. D'Aiguar is dunce who only survive because of his political affiliation.

Since you are a dunce I will educate you. In 2008 Guyana was #88 in the press freedom index, in 2009 it jumped to #39. While there is room for improvement in the human rights and economic freedom index, Guyana is well on its way to moving up the charts.

Only a racist jackass like you would think that I am bitter about Indians doing well in America. Little do you know that I have many Indians in my immediate family and I would have to depise the woman who gave me life if I were to be bitter towards Indians. Now, you're making me out to be of mixed Black and Portuguese lineage. You have no clue about my ethnic background and you're always inventing something that I'm not. It all fits into your sick little mind which conjures up the idea that "your type" is somehow superior to every other type in Guyana. Guess again fool. One only has to read your silly prattling here on a daily basis to realize that you're a pathetic bigot who makes up crazy lies to somehow prove your racial superiority. I've had Indians, Chinese, Filipinos, Russians and all other ethnicities working on my development team over the years and I have never shown any preference for one race over another.

Mr. "Qualified Professional" calls me a dunce and is here to educate me, the one you imagine is working as an errand boy. Earth to drugb - you're nothing but a little "Johnny Come Lately" punk in the world of I.T. and you can never measure up to me when it comes to intellect or work experience. When you were attending that "second rate" high school in Guyana, I was finishing every term ranked in the top 3 in my class at Q.C. When, at 18 years old, I started writing programs in Guyana (working at the time for the country's most progressive corporation - Banks DIH) in 1978, you didn't even get a glimpse of a computer until a decade later. You were probably just being groomed as an apprentice in the family smuggling enterprise. That Information Systems degree you always boast about - I have one too, except that my certificate reads "Summa Cum Laude" where yours has a blank space under your name. Long before you ever started to work with a Wall Street firm, I was there and I'm still there, working from the sunny comfort of a Florida campus while you're freezing your ass off in NJ. Before you dream the impossible (educating me), you should think about educating yourself properly. Then, you might learn the difference between "complement" and "compliment" and how to use them in a sentence. In fact, you should thank me for all the help I've given you over the years on this forum even though I have to embarrass you in the process. I remember in my first few months on this forum, you were calling me a "traitorer" over and over for not supporting Bush's invasion of Iraq. You should thank me for teaching you that the word is "traitor" and not the way you were taught to say it on the East Coast of Demerara. It's nice to dream but in reality you could never measure up to my academic or professional achievements. Maybe in your next lifetime or you would have a better shot if I were to develop Alzheimer's Disease and my brain functions start to deteriorate.

Previously, you were shooting your usual shit that the U.S. was only giving a pittance in AIDS funding to Guyana. When confronted with the facts, you're now changing your tune. Nobody is asking Jagdeo to be silent or to not criticize the U.S. if he so desires. However, he came across as a Chavez wannabe with his immature rants in Iran while smooching with those despots over there. Right in the midst of a standoff between Iran and the U.S., he chooses to curse out America with the mad mullahs. The forum and context which he used to chastise the U.S. is not positive for our country especially when we depend on the U.S. for aid dollars and as a major trading partner. He has no idea of what it is to be diplomatic and how to use something called tact. He's just like you, hallucinating about being someone larger than himself. In the grand scheme of things, he's nothing but a little third world dictator running around the world begging for a buck.

D'Aguiar is a dunce too? You're either seriously tripping or it's just another of your stupid lies you make up to try and belittle everyone who is not, in your racist mind, "your type". I suspect that it's a combination of both. If you know anything about Guyana's history you would have known that D'Aguiar built Banks DIH into a successful company long before he entered politics or before Burnham came into power. He inherited a company which was on the brink of bankruptcy in 1934, at the age of 22, and as a young Managing Director, built the company into one of the most successful conglomerates in Guyana's history. It's funny that you would manufacture another stupid lie about the company getting tax breaks. When I was there, around 1980, the company faced a big crisis in that Burnham placed price controls on its beverages and raised the consumption taxes to a point where the beverage factories were on the brink of being unprofitable. Thankfully, with D'Aguiar's vision, the company had already diversified into the Demico fast food business and the revenue earned from there kept the company afloat during those trying times. So your crap about getting tax breaks is just another crock of baloney like you're famous for cooking up.

Guyana jumped on the press freedom index. That's the best you could come up with? The reason why they had a big jump was because the year before, the government was trying to squeeze out the Stabroek News by withholding ad revenues. When they reinstated the ads they were rewarded with an upward boost. It came about because they did something which they should have been doing all along, not because of some new positive gains in press freedom. Meanwhile, they are trying to squeeze Kaieteur News for raising money for Haiti. They still control the only radio station in the country and haven't given a radio station license to anyone even though the Chief Justice has ruled that the government monopoly is unconstitutional. Also, they only allow the government run propagandist TV station to broadcast in some towns. Meanwhile on the indexes that really matter, such as Human Development, Economic Prosperity and Corruption, they are hanging out at the bottom with Haiti and are ranked as being as corrupt as Nigeria. At the same time, the country's economy is on life support, propped up by the export of cocaine and handouts from remittances and loans and grants.

Like Druggie has been put on methadone .

Computers in 1978 vs Today is a world apart. I worked on a Radioshack computer in the early eighties and it was pain.

Pedro was certainly a Guyanese success story. His political alliance with the PNC must have been regretful since he resigned as Fin. Min. in 1967 and traveled to London with CBJ to complain about the rigging of the ;68 elections.

Jagdeo's comments on Haiti in no way suggest that he is aligning himself with Iran against the US. Don't let anyone lie to you like that. The opposition are making charges that are baseless.

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
Computers in 1978 vs Today is a world apart. I worked on a Radioshack computer in the early eighties and it was pain.

Pedro was certainly a Guyanese success story. His political alliance with the PNC must have been regretful since he resigned as Fin. Min. in 1967 and traveled to London with CBJ to complain about the rigging of the ;68 elections.

Jagdeo's comments on Haiti in no way suggest that he is aligning himself with Iran against the US. Don't let anyone lie to you like that. The opposition are making charges that are baseless.

I worked on 360, 370, prime etc in that era too. I also worked on the Radio Shack CoCo because it had a great basic interpretor and was the best of its kind then. It was a pain only if you did not know to take advantage of it.

My first PC was a panasonic 55 using CPM OS and believe it or not, much of CPM OS was incorporated into DOS which still sits behind every Windows machine.

They are different indeed but the entire mathematical logic of the era still drives what is in our wonderful OPS systems of today. In fact, today's machines are dummied down. They are like MacDonalds cash-register adding a French fries icon and a coke Icon to give you the total. OOPS hide much of what goes on behind the machine today. It indeed takes specialists to the heart of these machines. Most see nice pictures ( icons) representing events taking place and never the actual events themselves. Back then, one was concerned so much that they counted the lines of code so as not to consume the available memory. Hardly anyone ever care about that today. That is also why many UNIX (and LINUX) purists like their machines more than windows based machines. They still have to know the belly of the beast to tinker with it.

Jagdeos comments about the US in Iran is what is problematic. I do not know that he signed any Uranium deal but he should not be going to Iran now since it is a poke in the eye of the US our greatest benefactor, ( and we are still a beggar nation) at this time. The US does not care about us. I has little to lose or gain in its relations with us so it will make decisions with no greater scrutiny than in'64 and we know what happened then. It implanted supported Burnham as a methodology of solving perceptions of a communist beach head being formed in Guyana. The entire PPP pantheon have been making rather stupid and uninformed remarks with respect to the US.

If they still hold a grudge, our people do not. We do not want to go to Tehran. The US, Canada, Europe are our stomping grounds. This is not to say that we should not talk to or engage others bur we ought to be circumspect with respects to our conserving the interest of our people.

The Americans are not that naive to believe that the Jagdeo gov't is out form an alliance with the Iranian regime - an enemy state of America. To make a comparison with the PPP's alliance with the Soviets and Cubans in the sixties is totally preposterous since there is nothing in the PPP political program or propaganda that even hint at supporting Iran or Islamic fundamentalism. The British and the AMericans had tons of literatures and evidence of Guyanese traveling to socialist nations to justify their charges against the PPP. What do they have to justify that the PPP is aligning itself with the Iranians?
The Americans know that Jagdeo is just out to get a little help from the Iranians. The gov't has already granted license to Canadian companies to search for uranium in Guyana. Why would they want to give the Iranians that opportunity when it is already given to a western country??

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
The Americans are not that naive to believe that the Jagdeo gov't is out form an alliance with the Iranian regime - an enemy state of America. To make a comparison with the PPP's alliance with the Soviets and Cubans in the sixties is totally preposterous since there is nothing in the PPP political program or propaganda that even hint at supporting Iran or Islamic fundamentalism. The British and the AMericans had tons of literatures and evidence of Guyanese traveling to socialist nations to justify their charges against the PPP. What do they have to justify that the PPP is aligning itself with the Iranians?
The Americans know that Jagdeo is just out to get a little help from the Iranians. The gov't has already granted license to Canadian companies to search for uranium in Guyana. Why would they want to give the Iranians that opportunity when it is already given to a western country??

Americans operate by perception as well as fact. Ask randy to explain since that is his forte. Unfortunately his only offering on this point to date has been a propagandist rant totally unbecoming of his experience and competence in this are.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
The Americans are not that naive to believe that the Jagdeo gov't is out form an alliance with the Iranian regime - an enemy state of America. To make a comparison with the PPP's alliance with the Soviets and Cubans in the sixties is totally preposterous since there is nothing in the PPP political program or propaganda that even hint at supporting Iran or Islamic fundamentalism. The British and the AMericans had tons of literatures and evidence of Guyanese traveling to socialist nations to justify their charges against the PPP. What do they have to justify that the PPP is aligning itself with the Iranians?
The Americans know that Jagdeo is just out to get a little help from the Iranians. The gov't has already granted license to Canadian companies to search for uranium in Guyana. Why would they want to give the Iranians that opportunity when it is already given to a western country??

Americans operate by perception as well as fact. Ask randy to explain since that is his forte. Unfortunately his only offering n this point to date has been a propagandist rant total unbecoming of his experience and competence in this are.

the honorable Doc doin a wonderful job...stop hating on the man you damm loser.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
The Americans are not that naive to believe that the Jagdeo gov't is out form an alliance with the Iranian regime - an enemy state of America. To make a comparison with the PPP's alliance with the Soviets and Cubans in the sixties is totally preposterous since there is nothing in the PPP political program or propaganda that even hint at supporting Iran or Islamic fundamentalism. The British and the AMericans had tons of literatures and evidence of Guyanese traveling to socialist nations to justify their charges against the PPP. What do they have to justify that the PPP is aligning itself with the Iranians?
The Americans know that Jagdeo is just out to get a little help from the Iranians. The gov't has already granted license to Canadian companies to search for uranium in Guyana. Why would they want to give the Iranians that opportunity when it is already given to a western country??

Americans operate by perception as well as fact. Ask randy to explain since that is his forte. Unfortunately his only offering n this point to date has been a propagandist rant total unbecoming of his experience and competence in this are.

Absolute Non-sense. The US has an embassy in Guyana whose staff maintains a very close relationship with gov't, military, police, civil society, and the opposition. They know what's going on. The Jagdeo gov't instrumental in capturing the PNC parliamentarian, Abdul Kadir, who is linked with terrorists in Iran. The Guyana gov't is an ally of the US when it comes to fighting terror. You need not more evidence than this.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
The Americans are not that naive to believe that the Jagdeo gov't is out form an alliance with the Iranian regime - an enemy state of America. To make a comparison with the PPP's alliance with the Soviets and Cubans in the sixties is totally preposterous since there is nothing in the PPP political program or propaganda that even hint at supporting Iran or Islamic fundamentalism. The British and the AMericans had tons of literatures and evidence of Guyanese traveling to socialist nations to justify their charges against the PPP. What do they have to justify that the PPP is aligning itself with the Iranians?
The Americans know that Jagdeo is just out to get a little help from the Iranians. The gov't has already granted license to Canadian companies to search for uranium in Guyana. Why would they want to give the Iranians that opportunity when it is already given to a western country??

Americans operate by perception as well as fact. Ask randy to explain since that is his forte. Unfortunately his only offering n this point to date has been a propagandist rant total unbecoming of his experience and competence in this are.

the honorable Doc doin a wonderful job...stop hating on the man you damm loser.

hi mickey, like the let you off today due to the blizzard. Your escape route to the boondocks are blocked off.

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
The Americans are not that naive to believe that the Jagdeo gov't is out form an alliance with the Iranian regime - an enemy state of America. To make a comparison with the PPP's alliance with the Soviets and Cubans in the sixties is totally preposterous since there is nothing in the PPP political program or propaganda that even hint at supporting Iran or Islamic fundamentalism. The British and the AMericans had tons of literatures and evidence of Guyanese traveling to socialist nations to justify their charges against the PPP. What do they have to justify that the PPP is aligning itself with the Iranians?
The Americans know that Jagdeo is just out to get a little help from the Iranians. The gov't has already granted license to Canadian companies to search for uranium in Guyana. Why would they want to give the Iranians that opportunity when it is already given to a western country??

Americans operate by perception as well as fact. Ask randy to explain since that is his forte. Unfortunately his only offering n this point to date has been a propagandist rant total unbecoming of his experience and competence in this are.

Absolute Non-sense. The US has an embassy in Guyana whose staff maintains a very close relationship with gov't, military, police, civil society, and the opposition. They know what's going on. The Jagdeo gov't instrumental in capturing the PNC parliamentarian, Abdul Kadir, who is linked with terrorists in Iran. The Guyana gov't is an ally of the US when it comes to fighting terror. You need not more evidence than this.

Is that why the embassy made a point to clarify the PPP statements with respect to the US on numerous occasions?

Of course they know what is going on since they can listen to everything that is said or transmitted. I have no idea of Jagdeo's involvement in capturing Kadir. I wish he was as vigilant with respect to the crime spree going on.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
The Americans are not that naive to believe that the Jagdeo gov't is out form an alliance with the Iranian regime - an enemy state of America. To make a comparison with the PPP's alliance with the Soviets and Cubans in the sixties is totally preposterous since there is nothing in the PPP political program or propaganda that even hint at supporting Iran or Islamic fundamentalism. The British and the AMericans had tons of literatures and evidence of Guyanese traveling to socialist nations to justify their charges against the PPP. What do they have to justify that the PPP is aligning itself with the Iranians?
The Americans know that Jagdeo is just out to get a little help from the Iranians. The gov't has already granted license to Canadian companies to search for uranium in Guyana. Why would they want to give the Iranians that opportunity when it is already given to a western country??

Americans operate by perception as well as fact. Ask randy to explain since that is his forte. Unfortunately his only offering n this point to date has been a propagandist rant total unbecoming of his experience and competence in this are.

Absolute Non-sense. The US has an embassy in Guyana whose staff maintains a very close relationship with gov't, military, police, civil society, and the opposition. They know what's going on. The Jagdeo gov't instrumental in capturing the PNC parliamentarian, Abdul Kadir, who is linked with terrorists in Iran. The Guyana gov't is an ally of the US when it comes to fighting terror. You need not more evidence than this.

Is that why the embassy made a point to clarify the PPP statements with respect to the US on numerous occasions?

Of course they know what is going on since they can listen to everything that is said or transmitted. I have no idea of Jagdeo's involvement in capturing Kadir. I wish he was as vigilant with respect to the crime spree going on.

If you as you have admitted that you don't know, then you should stop defecating through your mouth

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Originally posted by Berbician:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
The Americans are not that naive to believe that the Jagdeo gov't is out form an alliance with the Iranian regime - an enemy state of America. To make a comparison with the PPP's alliance with the Soviets and Cubans in the sixties is totally preposterous since there is nothing in the PPP political program or propaganda that even hint at supporting Iran or Islamic fundamentalism. The British and the AMericans had tons of literatures and evidence of Guyanese traveling to socialist nations to justify their charges against the PPP. What do they have to justify that the PPP is aligning itself with the Iranians?
The Americans know that Jagdeo is just out to get a little help from the Iranians. The gov't has already granted license to Canadian companies to search for uranium in Guyana. Why would they want to give the Iranians that opportunity when it is already given to a western country??

Americans operate by perception as well as fact. Ask randy to explain since that is his forte. Unfortunately his only offering n this point to date has been a propagandist rant total unbecoming of his experience and competence in this are.

Absolute Non-sense. The US has an embassy in Guyana whose staff maintains a very close relationship with gov't, military, police, civil society, and the opposition. They know what's going on. The Jagdeo gov't instrumental in capturing the PNC parliamentarian, Abdul Kadir, who is linked with terrorists in Iran. The Guyana gov't is an ally of the US when it comes to fighting terror. You need not more evidence than this.

Is that why the embassy made a point to clarify the PPP statements with respect to the US on numerous occasions?

Of course they know what is going on since they can listen to everything that is said or transmitted. I have no idea of Jagdeo's involvement in capturing Kadir. I wish he was as vigilant with respect to the crime spree going on.

If you as you have admitted that you don't know, then you should stop defecating through your mouth

Stupid man; I did not comment on the case. My silence meant I do not know of it or the people except as gleand from the press. I am speaking to a topical issue ie the president gallivanting to Iran as though there a new well spring of cash will be sprouted when he failed to take into account where the cash the nation receives is coming from.

If it is okay for the US to accept free oil from the controversial gov't of Venezuela then it is okay for us accept a little help and technical assistance from Iran. No big deal.

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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
How it must pain you to see Indians do well in the US while those of mixed Black and Portuguese lineage like your self have to serve as errand boys for qualified professionals like myself.

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can you name an index which suggests that Guyanese are better off than say Barbdians, nevisians, etc? You know to boast about being better off than mali or haiti is shameful you think?

i see you return to your racist ways trying to paint blacks (and now portuguese) as failures. please furnish evidence that afroguyanese in the usa are worse off than indoguyanese.

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
The Americans are not that naive to believe that the Jagdeo gov't is out form an alliance with the Iranian regime - an enemy state of America. ??

Try some goon like Senator Shelby of some obscure southern state and watch to see if teh Republiacsn take the senate if he doesnt make jagdeo's life the living hell that he imagines Obama is doing to haiti.

BRG you know nothing about how this country works. The Embassy in teh USA can say what they want but if the GOP take over the Congress and the Senate and are filled with angst that Iran has a little colony less than 2,000 miles from the USA, parked next to Chavez no less......Needless to say that those folks know nothing about Guyana other than its a dirt poor country filled with jungles and a president who "hates the USA".

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
The Americans are not that naive to believe that the Jagdeo gov't is out form an alliance with the Iranian regime - an enemy state of America. To make a comparison with the PPP's alliance with the Soviets and Cubans in the sixties is totally preposterous since there is nothing in the PPP political program or propaganda that even hint at supporting Iran or Islamic fundamentalism. The British and the AMericans had tons of literatures and evidence of Guyanese traveling to socialist nations to justify their charges against the PPP. What do they have to justify that the PPP is aligning itself with the Iranians?
The Americans know that Jagdeo is just out to get a little help from the Iranians. The gov't has already granted license to Canadian companies to search for uranium in Guyana. Why would they want to give the Iranians that opportunity when it is already given to a western country??

Americans operate by perception as well as fact. Ask randy to explain since that is his forte. Unfortunately his only offering n this point to date has been a propagandist rant total unbecoming of his experience and competence in this are.

the honorable Doc doin a wonderful job...stop hating on the man you damm loser.

hi mickey, like the let you off today due to the blizzard. Your escape route to the boondocks are blocked off.

noo i pass by yu house and it's all clear...it's not blocked off

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
How it must pain you to see Indians do well in the US while those of mixed Black and Portuguese lineage like your self have to serve as errand boys for qualified professionals like myself.

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can you name an index which suggests that Guyanese are better off than say Barbdians, nevisians, etc? You know to boast about being better off than mali or haiti is shameful you think?

i see you return to your racist ways trying to paint blacks (and now portuguese) as failures. please furnish evidence that afroguyanese in the usa are worse off than indoguyanese.

just drive around wey dem living jackass...yu can smell the difference

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
If it is okay for the US to accept free oil from the controversial gov't of Venezuela then it is okay for us accept a little help and technical assistance from Iran. No big deal.

BRG after November when Sarah Pallin becomes a powerful woman and the mad republicans want to make their names you will discover that Guyana doesnt make the rules.

This is when you will yearn for the days when all you had to deal with is Obama who considered Jagdeo too insignificant and irrelevant to bother with his desperate antic to gain his (Obama's) attention.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
caribj:i see you return to your racist ways trying to paint blacks (and now portuguese) as failures. please furnish evidence that afroguyanese in the usa are worse off than indoguyanese.

just drive around wey dem living jackass...yu can smell the difference [/QUOTE]

you mean a permanent curry smell?

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Originally posted by caribj:

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
If it is okay for the US to accept free oil from the controversial gov't of Venezuela then it is okay for us accept a little help and technical assistance from Iran. No big deal.

BRG after November when Sarah Pallin becomes a powerful woman and the mad republicans want to make their names you will discover that Guyana doesnt make the rules.

This is when you will yearn for the days when all you had to deal with is Obama who considered Jagdeo too insignificant and irrelevant to bother with his desperate antic to gain his (Obama's) attention.

don't mix up this waste Obama with the honorable Dr Jagdeo...Dr Jagdeo out shine this stupidee white Puppet Obama.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
caribj:i see you return to your racist ways trying to paint blacks (and now portuguese) as failures. please furnish evidence that afroguyanese in the usa are worse off than indoguyanese.

just drive around wey dem living jackass...yu can smell the difference

you mean a permanent curry smell?[/QUOTE]