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D2
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It is rather difficult to debate issues with individuals when every debate is hijacked. Argumentation becomes histories of trauma and victimization and hardly ever about the initial issue. While I suspect this is sometimes a political tact of specific individuals, it is also about he lack of formal discipline to keep the debate on track. Moderation can help here.

Maybe we need a debating forum where a set format can be formalized and challenges made to specific individuals to debate topical issues. Each would have three rounds, formal presentation and rebuttal and then a conclusion Comments by others can be made here on the forum directly. I am getting bored with constantly arguing the same points to the same people with the same non response or universal response being race and victimization.
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I agree with a debating forum with set rules and guideline.

I also like your write-up for it closely reflects my view on the matter.
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Argumentation becomes histories of trauma and victimization and hardly ever about the initial issue. While I suspect this is sometimes a political tact of specific individuals


Anybody seen Caribj? gnirocks
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Nothing will be able to change Pavlov DOGS!!
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Originally posted by Nehru:
Nothing will be able to change Pavlov DOGS!!


Holding your ground eh Nehru?
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Ah weh yu padna TK, tell me fu buy me way quarter battle run nah. Ah tusty fu a drink.
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Originally posted by D2:
It is rather difficult to debate issues with individuals when every debate is hijacked. Argumentation becomes histories of trauma and victimization and hardly ever about the initial issue. While I suspect this is sometimes a political tact of specific individuals, it is also about he lack of formal discipline to keep the debate on track. Moderation can help here.

Maybe we need a debating forum where a set format can be formalized and challenges made to specific individuals to debate topical issues. Each would have three rounds, formal presentation and rebuttal and then a conclusion Comments by others can be made here on the forum directly. I am getting bored with constantly arguing the same points to the same people with the same non response or universal response being race and victimization.


During my three years here, I have never seen a topic on track, and to correct that is just wishful thinking.

A moderator can only be helpful if he/she have an indept knowledge of every debatable political topic, and knows how to apply the rules that governs such topic from derailing. Furthermore, he have to attend to the BB 24/7, unless these special discussion have a daily schedule and time slot, etc.

To eliminate a free style response into a three rounds contest is not going to work unless the forum software is design and program for live referee interaction to eliminate members after three rounds and all the rebuttal that goes with it.

Finally, I personally think you (D2), baseman, and the communicator are three good candidates for the job.

However, the candidates must be unbias and neutral which is difficult based on your style and belief on subject matter.

Baseman: He is mildly bias and have to work on his hype.

Communicator: Truly believe in a global community forum and open to discuss sensitive issues with/out personal affection.

D2: You are "unbias" as you proclaimed to be, very rearly agrees with your opponents, and you add personal feelings on public matters. You can also be a pain in the arse, but up to par to be a good political moderator with your experience on the BB. I may vote for you as my best pick.

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PJ, Rass man is that a compliment to D2???
D2
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PJ, Rass man is that a compliment to D2???
I am not even going to respond to him. He has done more injury to me with that post than any other on the site...ever!
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Yall doing just what the man is talking about, derailing the topic. I am not giving him credit, but agree with his call, and would support him. I am not a real bastard as some would think. I stand on my own two feet when I am not sleeping.
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Originally posted by Nehru:
Ah weh yu padna TK, tell me fu buy me way quarter battle run nah. Ah tusty fu a drink.


That is not the only you "tusty" for. But, don't worry Baby Kong may be able to accommodate you.

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I am not even going to respond to him. He has done more injury to me with that post than any other on the site...ever!


I just point out the characteristic of each individual. May be I am right about adding personal feeling, rather to correct me if I am wrong. To say I did injury to you from my stupid impression, make it more obvious.
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Man duh yu wuk nah and then go party. Tek ah drinkfu me because TK dont want to buy me a quarter bottle Rum. partybanana
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Man duh yu wuk nah and then go party. Tek ah drinkfu me because TK dont want to buy me a quarter bottle Rum. partybanana


Wha happen? Like yu na tek crank today? Big Grin
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I leave Cranking to you and TK, the new Adam Smiths.
D2
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Originally posted by Prince Juno:
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I am not even going to respond to him. He has done more injury to me with that post than any other on the site...ever!


I just point out the characteristic of each individual. May be I am right about adding personal feeling, rather to correct me if I am wrong. To say I did injury to you from my stupid impression, make it more obvious.
It is a called sarcasm knuckle head
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Originally posted by D2:
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Originally posted by Prince Juno:
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I am not even going to respond to him. He has done more injury to me with that post than any other on the site...ever!


I just point out the characteristic of each individual. May be I am right about adding personal feeling, rather to correct me if I am wrong. To say I did injury to you from my stupid impression, make it more obvious.
It is a called sarcasm knuckle head


There is another Knuckle Head, former chief diplomat of Guyana who was in decision making position.
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It is a called sarcasm knuckle head


I hope you don't use sarcasm in political moderating to give the debators the wrong impression of what you really meant. You will derail that speeding train so often from its track.
D2
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It is a called sarcasm knuckle head


I hope you don't use sarcasm in political moderating to give the debators the wrong impression of what you really meant. You will derail that speeding train so often from its track.
I do not have time or patience to moderate any site.
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this site doesn't need active moderation. its the rogue members that need to be removed. Juno, Nehru, baseman and rama. get rid of them and the site would greatly improve.
D2
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Originally posted by BONUS:
this site doesn't need active moderation. its the rogue members that need to be removed. Juno, Nehru, baseman and rama. get rid of them and the site would greatly improve.
Caribj never stick to the topic either nor does kidmost. At that rate we would empty the board if they are all kicked off. A formal debate section will ensure we actually have records of what people say and believe. Additionally, the peanut gallery can club each other on the head on a parallel thread as usual anyways.

I know you have peeped over on IIDB so you can see the advantages of the format over there where we endure infighting that is 100's of times worse since it is often the egoes of people making a living in the respective fields that is often getting brutalized. It is especially advantageous there also given they have some 24 thousand members with some 3 thousand being active at any time.
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Excellent idea D2, taking us back to High School. However this is not realisitc. Only serious individuals will partake in such discussion where opinions have to be supported by actual evidence. How many serious debaters do we have on GNI? There is no fun in such type of debate and it is way too formal. Also who will determine the winner and why do we need to determine a winner? Debates on politics do not have a finite conclusion it is an ongoing dynamic process. Besides we all know you will win these types of debates with your big words and fence sitting ideals, in other words such a format will only benefit you.
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COME ON GUYS, STICK TO THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD. You are all displaying a tendency to deflect and dive into a cesspool of personal attacks. The discussion on hand is moderation and "stick-to-it-ism".

Prince Juno you see, I never commented and the thread went hay-wire. These Guyanese people lack discipline, this is who Pfatt Boy inroduced National Service...oops, sorry, back to the topic.

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Bonus, You want to get rid of the Voices of REASON and SANITY so Knuckleheads like you will be able to peddle your GARBAGE and FILTH.
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Boneass bai, goa tek a hike, thought you went to another forum. Baseman will be here and in your face, you cannot get rid of me that easily. You are a very petty version of your hero, Pfatt Boy.
D2
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
Excellent idea D2, taking us back to High School. However this is not realisitc. Only serious individuals will partake in such discussion where opinions have to be supported by actual evidence. How many serious debaters do we have on GNI? There is no fun in such type of debate and it is