We must stop the terrorism. The disease of terrorism, like all diseases, has a cause AND A CURE! It is the cause that must be eliminated if terrorism is to be stopped. The cause of the terrorism that is hitting the United States is the unnatural preference the U.S. Government gives to Israel. The U.S. Government puts Israel's interests even above America's own interests.

United States tax payers give the Jewish state of Israel about 3.5 to 5 BILLION dollars every year! This to a country with only 5.8 million people! It averages out to about $6,900.00 US dollars to every Israeli citizen! And Americans thought it was great to get $300.00 back in a tax refund!!!

The terror that grips the United States today is the direct result of this preferential treatment the U.S. Government gives to Israel. If we did not give tanks, attack helicopters, machine guns, ammunition, fighter jets, and bombs to Israel to make it easier for them to slaughter their Palestinian neighbors, and if we did not smash Israel's biggest military rival in the region, Iraq, the terror attacks of September 11, 2001 never would have happened. The U.S. needs to put America's interests before the interests of Israel.

HOW COULD THE U.S. GOVERNMENT PUT ISRAEL ABOVE AMERICA?

It stupefies the mind to think that an advanced nation like the U.S. would ever put the interests of another nation above its own. Perhaps the answer lies partially in superstition. Particularly in the superstition found in the Bible.

In Deuteronomy 7: 6 the Jewish Bible god has this to say to the Jews: "For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth." The acceptance of this Jewish propaganda and superstition has crippled any rational criticism of Jews in general and Israel in particular. The Bible attempts to program us to think of the Jews as "above all people that are upon the face of the earth." I, for one, refuse to accept this Jewish lie!

To back up America's blind support of Israel Christian leaders/charlatans in the U.S. often quote the Bible passage of Genesis 12:3 which reads, "I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed." This primitive propaganda may have worked in the superstitious dark days 3,000 years ago when it was written, but it should be laughed at today! The tribes fighting the Jewish tribes back then were all superstitious and this type of propaganda worked well in psychological warfare. It served the Jews well, and unfortunately, it still is.

Another threatening quote from the Jewish Bible is Isaiah 60:12 - "For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted." If this isn't a threat I don't know what is! According to this Bible quote, any country that refuses to "serve" Israel is doomed! What utter nonsense!!!

WHAT HAS ISRAEL DONE FOR THE UNITED STATES?

You would think that for all the United States does for Israel we would get something in return. However, this is not the case.

One good example of Israel's low opinion of the U.S. can be found in the book BY WAY OF DECEPTION - THE MAKING AND UNMAKING OF A MOSSAD OFFICER by Victor Ostrovsky. Ostrovsky was an active Mossad (Israeli Secret Police) officer during the 1980's. In his revealing book he tells how the deaths of 241 United States Marines in Beirut could have been avoided if the Mossad had shared information with the U.S. They chose not to warn the Americans of a probable attack on the Marines for fear it would jeopardize one Israeli contact! This self interest lead to the deaths of 241 American Marines. With this lowly act by our "ally" Israel, the U.S. Government should have cut off all U.S. aid to this warmongering state. But U.S. politicians put a higher value on Jewish money and media for their political campaigns then they do on the lives of American service men and women!

Another example of the Israeli attitude towards their biggest schmuck supporter, the U.S. Government, is seen in the Israeli attack on the unarmed U.S.S. Liberty. During the 1967 Six Days War the American ship U.S.S. Liberty was repeatedly attacked by Israeli jet fighters and torpedo boats. This unarmed American ship lost 23 U.S. Sailors and 2 U.S. Marines when the Israelis repeatedly attacked it. Survivors of this act of anti-American aggression by Israel said the Israelis were getting ready to bring on board from helicopters Israeli troops armed with automatic weapons to kill the remaining survivors. The only reason they didn't land the Israeli terrorist troops was because the Liberty was able to get off a message for help to a U.S. aircraft carrier. The Israelis feared their victims would soon be able to actually fight back so they retreated. What soulless cowards!

We must do what we can to put an end to the "special relationship" the U.S. and Israel have. We need to let all of our friends, family, co-workers and fellow students know that the unbrideled support U.S. politicians shower on Israel is the cause of Americans dying in terrorist attacks and in wars that are not truly our own. We can only stop the problem by getting rid of its cause.

Prince,

You do not have to agree, but for purely enlightenment purposes, this controversial topic you are raising is deeply rooted in the founding of America and the writing of its Constitutions which take their cue from biblical laws and teachings. And for Christians in America, who use the Bible as their teaching guide, the Jews were the people of whom the Old Testament was written, so for Christians to accept the New Testament, they must also accept the Old Testament and the role of the Jews in the unfulfilled prophetic writings contained therein.

Scattered in AD70 when superpower Rome invaded Israel – formerly known as Canaan and Palestine – the Jews lived (and many still do) in various countries. In 1945, when Hitler carried out his massive purge of some 6 million Jews, the country that readily opened its doors for fleeing survivors is the United States, because of America's founding and continued belief in God and His plans for the Jews.

In June 1948, with help from America and Britain, Israel again became a nation, and has since received tremendous recognition and support from both nations. So from a religious perspective, there is a reason for this ongoing cooperation.

However, because America’s superpower status was/is contingent on sustaining its superior economic and military growth, it was/is necessary to exert influence or control over what are known as ‘’strategic economic and military interests’ around the world. The Middle East, with that abundance of oil to keep the industrialized world growing, became a region of strategic interest to America and the West in general. The sustenance of Israel, therefore, was/is seen as providing America with an opening to keep a firm footing there.

But things are about to change, and the first major sign is going to be a universal decision to stop trading by the US dollar. Keep watching and reading.

...he said as he left.

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HOW COULD THE U.S. GOVERNMENT PUT ISRAEL ABOVE AMERICA?

The US Gov. is Israel, looks at the most prominent bankers, traders, and check as to who really owns the Federal Reserve.

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United States tax payers give the Jewish state of Israel about 3.5 to 5 BILLION dollars every year!

US gives a similar sum every year to Egypt.

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Originally posted by Sunil:

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HOW COULD THE U.S. GOVERNMENT PUT ISRAEL ABOVE AMERICA?

The US Gov. is Israel, looks at the most prominent bankers, traders, and check as to who really owns the Federal Reserve.

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United States tax payers give the Jewish state of Israel about 3.5 to 5 BILLION dollars every year!

US gives a similar sum every year to Egypt.

Sunil" could you back this up? They don't I think give that much.
Communicator: the constitution was actually a very secular document as far as taking teachings from the bible goes.

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US gives a similar sum every year to Egypt.

The US also give to Pakistan, Afganistan, and Iraq (just to name a few) more than Isreal, so its all fair game. But only Isreal can be trusted with American interest at heart.

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:

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Originally posted by Sunil:

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HOW COULD THE U.S. GOVERNMENT PUT ISRAEL ABOVE AMERICA?

The US Gov. is Israel, looks at the most prominent bankers, traders, and check as to who really owns the Federal Reserve.

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United States tax payers give the Jewish state of Israel about 3.5 to 5 BILLION dollars every year!

US gives a similar sum every year to Egypt.

Sunil" could you back this up? They don't I think give that much.
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There was an agreement after 1977 to give matching amounts as a "reward" to Egypt for peace with Israel hammered out at Camp David, however considering the military hardware that Israel receives it outstrips the Eygptian aid. The amount in cash is still the same ( I believe).

U.S. Aid to Egypt Totals $28 Billion in Three Decades



CAIRO -- In the three decades since 1975, when the United States began its foreign assistance to Egypt, the most populous Arab country has made enormous progress. While its population rose from about 40 million to more than 70 million, incomes also rose and the standard of living has greatly improved.

At the 30th anniversary celebration of the U.S. aid program last year, the aid given totaled $28 billion, by far the largest amount of development aid given to any country in the world by the United States.

USAID assistance really took off after 1979 when the leaders of Egypt and Israel made the courageous decision to end the state of war between the two countries and agree to a peace accord at Camp David. Egypt recovered all of the Sinai Peninsula and the two countries have remained at peace.

Egypt suffered from extremists who killed its president in 1981 and attacked civilians and tourists in 1997. It has cooperated with the United States in countering terrorism.

USAID - which operates the American foreign aid program in Egypt, has helped:

reform and stimulate the economy
build and improve schools
provide medicine, supplies and training to clinics and hospitals
support democracy
help farmers grow better crops for domestic and European markets.
The stories that follow bring to life a few of the ways Egyptians benefit from U.S. aid. Schoolbooks, medical improvements, small loans to merchants and repairs to the oldest mosque in all of Africa are among these stories.

However the big picture is almost impossible to grasp without stepping back in time.

A visitor to Egypt in 1980, before the U.S. aid program really started to bear fruit, saw a country facing difficult times. Poverty was widespread. In the fertile, green Nile Delta, thin farmers walked in circles as their thin cows and donkeys turned water wheels and slowly irrigated their fields. Education was not readily available to all children. And the cost of doctors and medicine meant that many did without health care.


Farmers near Minya use a diesel pump to water their fields, a powerful improvement over the donkey and cattle-powered water wheels traditionally used. Photo by Ben Barber/USAID

Today, as a plane brings that same visitor back to Egypt, row upon row of new housing blocks sprawl out into the suburbs. Elevated highways speed traffic in from those flats to the jobs in town. The buses are newer and people are better dressed. The shops are filled with goods and the country has clearly stepped up the development ladder.

In the countryside, diesel pumps are rapidly replacing the slow animal-powered water wheels. In a quarter hour, a powerful stream of water lifted from a canal by pump can irrigate a half-acre field of peppers or corn.

But much remains to be done. For example, as the population continues to grow, protection of the environment has been recognized by Egyptians as not just a luxury for nature-lovers. Preserving Egypt's natural beauty and land is necessary for the health and prosperity of the people.

To fight urban air pollution, USAID helped convert 40,000 vehicles to clean burning fuels. It promoted conservation of Nile water resources, protected coral reefs and islands in the Red Sea and preserved Egypt's antiquities in Luxor and Cairo.

USAID also helped increase power needed by this growing country, replacing giant electric turbines at the Aswan High Dam, renovating old power plants and extending power lines. It improved telephone service and water and sewerage systems reaching almost most of the population.

The current USAID strategy is focused on helping Egypt participate in the global economy by creating jobs and helping train Egyptians for the modern economy.

The main areas of assistance include trade, investment, environment, antiquities, tourism, education, health, family planning, water, power, telecommunications, democracy, the justice system and civil society such as Egyptian non-governmental organizations.

http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/features/egypt/

An important pillar of the bilateral relationship remains U.S. security and economic assistance to Egypt, which expanded significantly in the wake of the Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty in 1979. U.S. military aid to Egypt totals over $1.3 billion annually. In addition, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) provided over $25 billion in economic and development assistance to Egypt between 1975 and 2002. A shift in assistance from infrastructure, health, food supply, and agriculture toward market-based economic development, good governance, and training programs is reflected in the motto, "From Aid to Trade." The Commodity Import Program, through which USAID provides hundreds of millions of dollars in financing to enable the Egyptian private sector to import U.S. goods, remains one of the largest and most popular USAID programs. Since 2003, U.S. assistance is also focusing more on economic reform, education, civil society, and other programs supported by the Middle East Partnership Initiative (MEPI).

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5309.htm

I will not get into the touchy subject of what these artificial amounts mean. But what we don't see is that just about every Jew does give money to israel through assns. that are 501 3(c)...and that is not reported as US aid. I know because I worked in several companies before and observed the deductions....
Now as for Comm. observation of PJ posting thses controversial issues. True. But PJ's motive is not intellectual..he is just a jackass trying to start a fight. This stuff is too much for him to handle...has anyone ever examined the (lack of) depth in ANY of his arguments?
One one post he rails against me for using scripture as the basis of my arguments. I don't always. But of course I do when it comes to religion...what am I supposed to use, the wall street journal? This wannabe princess is too much sometimes...again..i repeat..i don't know if he makes a special effort to be turdish, or it is an innate affliction...maybe some pandit can jharray him? Maybe Benny Hinn can cure him?

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observation of PJ posting thses controversial issues. True. But PJ's motive is not intellectual..he is just a jackass trying to start a fight.

You is a real to arrive at this conclusion. I don't need to start a fight with people who worship a religion of violence.

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Originally posted by Communicator:
Prince,

You do not have to agree, but for purely enlightenment purposes, this controversial topic you are raising is deeply rooted in the founding of America and the writing of its Constitutions which take their cue from biblical laws and teachings. And for Christians in America, who use the Bible as their teaching guide, the Jews were the people of whom the Old Testament was written, so for Christians to accept the New Testament, they must also accept the Old Testament and the role of the Jews in the unfulfilled prophetic writings contained therein.

Scattered in AD70 when superpower Rome invaded Israel – formerly known as Canaan and Palestine – the Jews lived (and many still do) in various countries. In 1945, when Hitler carried out his massive purge of some 6 million Jews, the country that readily opened its doors for fleeing survivors is the United States, because of America's founding and continued belief in God and His plans for the Jews.

In June 1948, with help from America and Britain, Israel again became a nation, and has since received tremendous recognition and support from both nations. So from a religious perspective, there is a reason for this ongoing cooperation.

However, because America’s superpower status was/is contingent on sustaining its superior economic and military growth, it was/is necessary to exert influence or control over what are known as ‘’strategic economic and military interests’ around the world. The Middle East, with that abundance of oil to keep the industrialized world growing, became a region of strategic interest to America and the West in general. The sustenance of Israel, therefore, was/is seen as providing America with an opening to keep a firm footing there.

But things are about to change, and the first major sign is going to be a universal decision to stop trading by the US dollar. Keep watching and reading.

U really need to do some research. by 1945, Germany had become a fallen nation. The US did NOT open its borders...you only have to visit the Tolerance Museum in Wash. to find out when. Many US Christians were happy that the Jews were in camps...as it fulfilled some warped messianic views of them as lost for not having accepted jesus.
There is, as I pointed out earlier, NO incipient religious reason..it came about because of guilt over the holocaust and later, kennedy's obsession with fighting against perceived communism/socialist..RTHISnonsese about religiuos backing of israel is the late concoction of christian zionsim>>a rather late evangelical development>
What the US has done is go against most of the world community in its stance..as illustrated by many authors on the subject, who are themselves Jewish..Ilan Pappe among them...and some of the books have been quoted already on earlier discussions in this forum..

You is a real to arrive at this conclusion. I don't need to start a fight with people who worship a religion of violence.[/QUOTE]
tHIS IS AGAIN PROOF of your stupidity. come back with an answer that addresses the issue. Let me show you> you are right about not starting a fight with thouse who worship a religion of violence. For you cannot argue against yourself. A religion that asks its follows to beleive in it because its God kills his son for salvation is a religion that is defined by violence. A religion that for centuries hounded and tortured Jews. And natives. And its own..waldensians? remeber that word? And the christians of constantinople..4th crusade...and then a religion that says God made his son walk as human..and die as a human..but then that god reneges and brings his son back to life so that god does not have to suffer like any father would...a religion whose church fathers say that people may be coerced into belief...nope, ou cannot argue with that for it is your own. Let us do go where you fear to thread. In public let me waste time with you..chronicle every event that has been recorded of muslim violence, and I will do so for christian violence. Let us measure them. Ur religion does not even know whether to blame or praise judas. Oh jeez.