Barack Obama attracted 100,000 people at a Saturday rally here, his biggest crowd ever at a U.S. event.


The crowd assembled under the Gateway Arch on a sunny Saturday afternoon to hear Obama speak about taxes and slam the Republicans on economic issues.

Lt. Samuel Dotson of the St. Louis Police Department confirmed the number of attendees piled into the grassy lawn by the Mississippi River.

To be sure, big crowds don't always signal a big turnout on Election Day. But Obama's ability to draw his largest audience yet in a typically red state that just weeks ago looked out of reach, could signal a changing electoral map.

For months Missouri polls put Obama as much as ten percentage points behind Republican John McCain. It was widely believed that McCain's pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate would have won over the state's conservatives and boosted his chances there. So far, that hasn't happened.

A Rasmussen poll released on Friday shows Obama leading in Missouri 52% to 46% for McCain.

Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill had harsh words for Palin when she introduced Obama on Saturday. Referring to comments Palin made earlier this week in North Carolina about "pro-America" states, McCaskill said "We have reached a new low in America politics when a candidate dares to say that one part of America is pro-America and another part is anti-America."

She also took a dig at McCain for selecting a vice presidential nominee with limited experience. "One [candidate] picked one of the strongest candidates for vice president he could've picked in the United States and well, the other didn't."


Recognizing that big rallies don't always result in cast ballots, the Obama campaign has dispatched thousands of field organizers and volunteers to Missouri to knock on doors in a statewide get out the vote effort. (Photo: Associated Press)

Hopefully they come out to vote for themselves by election day.

The Obama cult is growing. I will laugh when this pseudo messiah goes to the white house and disappoint them all.

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The Obama cult is growing. I will laugh when this pseudo messiah goes to the white house and disappoint them all.

Ouch!

Are you saying that you see Bharrat Jagdeo in Barack Obama?

I mean, Obama worked his way for almost two years to get where he is today, so there has to be something about him or his message that is resonating with people.

As a long-time Republican backer, I am deeply impressed with Obama's performance, even under intense pressure.

Today, I am also of the opinion that President Bush's call for a global economic summit of leaders from developed and developing countries to reconfigure the current democratic capitalist system could pave the way for a President Obama to introduce his concept of 'wealth spreading' to not just America but the rest of the world.

Could America produce a President that is socialist-oriented, even though America fundamentally has preached and practiced the exact opposite policy for decades?

If Obama wins and does not deliver, this will be the end of another attempt by any black seeking the US presidency. If he wins and does deliver, it could be the beginning of a sea change in American political culture and racial matrix!

In a time of grave uncertainty, hope for the best! Gird your loins for the worst!

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Originally posted by BONUS:
The Obama cult is growing. I will laugh when this pseudo messiah goes to the white house and disappoint them all.

It does not take vast numbers to create a cult. Obama's message has not been different from most democratic presidents, he just deliver the message better and is able to mobilize democrats, ( a rather unmotivated bunch) to truly listen for the first time.

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Originally posted by BONUS:
The Obama cult is growing. I will laugh when this pseudo messiah goes to the white house and disappoint them all.

Ouch!

Are you saying that you see Bharrat Jagdeo in Barack Obama?

I mean, Obama worked his way for almost two years to get where he is today, so there has to be something about him or his message that is resonating with people.

As a long-time Republican backer, I am deeply impressed with Obama's performance, even under intense pressure.

Today, I am also of the opinion that President Bush's call for a global economic summit of leaders from developed and developing countries to reconfigure the current democratic capitalist system could pave the way for a President Obama to introduce his concept of 'wealth spreading' to not just America but the rest of the world.

[b]Could America produce a President that is socialist-oriented[/b], even though America fundamentally has preached and practiced the exact opposite policy for decades?

If Obama wins and does not deliver, this will be the end of another attempt by any black seeking the US presidency. If he wins and does deliver, it could be the beginning of a sea change in American political culture and racial matrix!

In a time of grave uncertainty, hope for the best! Gird your loins for the worst!

I have never been able to fathom any thing republican so it is clear we look at the world with different lens.

President Bush is not embracing socialism. Even Friedrich Hayek was able to make the point in the The Road to Serfdom that times only the government is able to lift capitalism out of its periodic down turns. He also noted that is not pro centralized economy but a necessity at times to preserve independence of the economic system. At a time when there is run away laissez-faire economics and the fat cats has eaten their fill by repackaging and selling fluff, one needs to institute come controls.

Even Adam Smith would have agreed. The invention of repackaging mortgages and selling them across the globe spread this pillaging of the market across the planet so it is again not unwise for world leaders to check what is happening to their economies.

Also, when one percent owns all the wealth and did so by steraling from the poor, it is not redistribution if you tax them. Note that very few of the fortune 500 pays taxes. It is easier to escape with not paying taxes when you are rich because you buy all your luxuries as company expenses and haerdly ever spend any of what you earn except fro very personal items.

America is busy bailing out the banks-in return the USA will acquire the banks and use them as collateral in securing the loans they have with foreign governments.

They have made the Chinese stronger and Obama as President will fumble.

The Chinese have planned this for over thirty years-and it has arrived.

America in trouble fellas-look for annother good place to run to.

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America is busy bailing out the banks-in return the USA will acquire the banks and use them as collateral in securing the loans they have with foreign governments.

They have made the Chinese stronger and Obama as President will fumble.

The Chinese have planned this for over thirty years-and it has arrived.

America in trouble fellas-look for annother good place to run to.

Europe and America are 80% of the world's economy and close to 99% of its research and development resource. The Chinese have capital and it is only because of western economies. They however are using it badly. Their infrastructure is neglected, their land scape polluted and their people still living for the most part on close to a dollar a day. If America catches a cold the world sneezes and that will be the case for a long time still. And Obama will be a great president. He will have the bast his disposal and a favorable world climate so it will be a bitch for him to fail.

We doan have a long time to wait on that prediction.

We will see.

I hope u realised the Chinese have wiped out a good part of the USA economy.

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It does not take vast numbers to create a cult. Obama's message has not been different from most democratic presidents, he just deliver the message better and is able to mobilize democrats, ( a rather unmotivated bunch) to truly listen for the first time.

you proved my point. Cults are not message oriented, they are personality oriented. They are in love with the messenger's handsomeness and charisma. They are innoculated against his faults and shortcomings.

This is Obamania for you. I could understand voting for Obama merely to vote against McCain's incompetence. But the lunacy of ascribing salvationary powers to Obama is ludicrous. The man is as inexperienced as Palin and a moron when it comes to energy policies and economic issues. But the black and white retards are weeping and swooning over him, trying to get to touch him. It is obvious that they don't listen to him because anyone who analyzes his plans would tell you that he will add more to the Budget deficit and the debt, and that he has no intention of stopping the war in Iraq from day 1 as he promised in the primaries.

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Originally posted by D2:
It does not take vast numbers to create a cult. Obama's message has not been different from most democratic presidents, he just deliver the message better and is able to mobilize democrats, ( a rather unmotivated bunch) to truly listen for the first time.

you proved my point. Cults are not message oriented, they are personality oriented. They are in love with the messenger's handsomeness and charisma. They are innoculated against his faults and shortcomings.

This is Obamania for you. I could understand voting for Obama merely to vote against McCain's incompetence. But the lunacy of ascribing salvationary powers to Obama is ludicrous. The man is as inexperienced as Palin and a moron when it comes to energy policies and economic issues. But the black and white retards are weeping and swooning over him, trying to get to touch him. It is obvious that they don't listen to him because anyone who analyzes his plans would tell you that he will add more to the Budget deficit and the debt, and that he has no intention of stopping the war in Iraq from day 1 as he promised in the primaries.

The man is not Palin by a long shot. He did not go to five middle of the road schools to get a degree but excelled in Americas top ten institutions.

No one said he is salvation. He admits he will have to prioritize. He is better situated to cross the divide and get the best of both world and not fill the presidency with straussian ideologues as has happened with GW.

His economic plan has the very people who write some of your economic text books and who are your financial wizards.

Last time you were saying that GW will give us better health care and smaller government, He created the largest government bureaucracy and health care is in the same hole.

The Iraq war is already in a draw down plan for US troops to be totally gone by 2011. He will definitely make them pay for their own development.

He will have to be prudent in Afganistan 9 where the government is a petit dictatorship) and Pakistan ( where the government is broke. Both of these areas are populated by peoples who do not yet have a mind set to be govern or to govern well.

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The man is not Palin by a long shot. He did not go to five middle of the road schools to get a degree but excelled in Americas top ten institutions.

No one said he is salvation. He admits he will have to prioritize. He is better situated to cross the divide and get the best of both world and not fill the presidency with straussian ideologues as has happened with GW.

His economic plan has the very people who write some of your economic text books and who are your financial wizards.

Last time you were saying that GW will give us better health care and smaller government, He created the largest government bureaucracy and health care is in the same hole.

The Iraq war is already in a draw down plan for US troops to be totally gone by 2011. He will definitely make them pay for their own development.

He will have to be prudent in Afganistan 9 where the government is a petit dictatorship) and Pakistan ( where the government is broke. Both of these areas are populated by peoples who do not yet have a mind set to be govern or to govern well.

1. I was linking him to Palin in lieu of his experience not his academic qualifications. He and Palin have the same emaciated record when it comes to experience. Obama has 2 years as a State Senator and 2 years as a Senator in DC.

2.Obama is explicitly and implicitly pushing a Messianic motiff on behalf of himself. You have to be stupid to not see that. This is what gets him the votes. I don't have a problem with that, all politicians do it. What I have a problem with is that Obama will not be able to deliver just like G.W who promised us, "The most ethical administration". Obama is a pseudo messiah and will be proven as such.

3. I make no apologies for G.W Bush. He is grossly incompetent and criminal.

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Originally posted by D2:
The man is not Palin by a long shot. He did not go to five middle of the road schools to get a degree but excelled in Americas top ten institutions.

No one said he is salvation. He admits he will have to prioritize. He is better situated to cross the divide and get the best of both world and not fill the presidency with straussian ideologues as has happened with GW.

His economic plan has the very people who write some of your economic text books and who are your financial wizards.

Last time you were saying that GW will give us better health care and smaller government, He created the largest government bureaucracy and health care is in the same hole.

The Iraq war is already in a draw down plan for US troops to be totally gone by 2011. He will definitely make them pay for their own development.

He will have to be prudent in Afganistan 9 where the government is a petit dictatorship) and Pakistan ( where the government is broke. Both of these areas are populated by peoples who do not yet have a mind set to be govern or to govern well.

1. I was linking him to Palin in lieu of his experience not his academic qualifications. He and Palin have the same emaciated record when it comes to experience. Obama has 2 years as a State Senator and 2 years as a Senator in DC.

2.Obama is explicitly and implicitly pushing a Messianic motiff on behalf of himself. You have to be stupid to not see that. This is what gets him the votes. I don't have a problem with that, all politicians do it. What I have a problem with is that Obama will not be able to deliver just like G.W who promised us, "The most ethical administration". Obama is a pseudo messiah and will be proven as such.

3. I make no apologies for G.W Bush. He is grossly incompetent and criminal.

I am very close to the campaign at times ( I know some of the people there and talk to them when I see them) and I see none of this messianic stuff you talk about. That he motivates people is not messianic. They recognize what you are yet to see, talent, synoptic vision and leadership qualities.

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They recognize what you are yet to see, talent, synoptic vision and leadership qualities.

Obama is all personality and no substance. "Limited off shore drilling and alternative energy".

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They recognize what you are yet to see, talent, synoptic vision and leadership qualities.

Obama is all personality and no substance. "Limited off shore drilling and alternative energy".

FIrst, it should be clear to you that companies drilling off shore have no obligation to bring the oil into the US. Secondly, the technology is not there for the deep contenental waters. Third, there are many places open to drilling that the oil companies do not go to because they themselves prefer to see a shrinking of the supply to increase the price. Obama has made it clear that there will have to be an emphasis to alternative energy, and other green tech over fossil fuels. That is a prudent strategy because our carbon emissions are out of whack.

Had he no substance, none of the many very smart people who gravitate to his side would be there. I am sure there level of discernment is far superior to yours or mine.

The large turnout is not all Obama's supporters. Most of them are there to listen what he has to say.

alternative energy will only become feasible when the cost for producing it becomes less than the costs for acquiring and distributing natural gas and oil. It is a matter of simple economics that Obama doesn't get. I guess he is going to implement a price floor for oil so as to make alternative energy cost effective.

The short term strategy is for full exploitation of oil and natural gas in the continental U.S. I am surprised he didn't bring T.Boone Pickens on board since T. Boone Pickens actually knows what he is talking about. But no the charlatan Messiah is pushing alternative fuel which will end up costing Americans more, but they will justify this by saying that they are saving the "mythical" environment. And of course food prices and all prices will go up strangling the poor.

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Originally posted by seignet:
America is busy bailing out the banks-in return the USA will acquire the banks and use them as collateral in securing the loans they have with foreign governments.

They have made the Chinese stronger and Obama as President will fumble.

The Chinese have planned this for over thirty years-and it has arrived.

America in trouble fellas-look for annother good place to run to.

The highlighted sentence is misleading. Thirty years ago, China was facing a major economic crisis that could have been a global catastrophe if bold steps weren't taken to avert it.

It was former leader of Chinese Communist Party, Deng Xiaoping, who first put many of China's economic reforms in place in the 1980s, turning China from a moribund state-run economy to one of the (if not THE) world's most energized marketplaces.

By the late 80s, China's policy change allowed it to survive a huge economic meltdown, akin to what hit North Korea in the form of a famine that killed thousands.

But it was President George H.W. Bush, a former US Ambassador to China, who reached out and significantly enhanced China's opportunity to save itself by allowing its expansive body of cheap labor to be used in the manufacturing of American products. Today we call it outsourcing, but it was that outsourcing, and the fact that Bill Clinton successfully persuaded the US Congress to grant China "Most Favored Nation" (MFN) status, that led to China being where it is today.

(Here's a little background info: What American corporations did by outsourcing jobs to China (and other southeast Asian nations) was really supposed to have been done to members of the North American Free Trade Agreement (an economic bloc of nations stretching from Canada and going all the way south to South America). Companies of 'Made In America' items claimed manufacturing in America became cost prohibitive to continue doing business in America, citing rising health and pension costs as prime reasons.

Some companies ventured into Latin and Central America, but problems arose when US labor unions and US political interest groups started screaming against 'sweat shop' conditions that citizens in that region worked under. For example, Kathie Lee Gifford (former ABC Good Morning hostess) and basketball icon Michael Jordan's names were mentioned in a near-scandal when it was reported that items were being produced with their names attached under sweat shop conditions. American companies fled Central and Latin America to Asian countries where 'cheap labor' and 'sweat shop' conditions were no problem!)

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alternative energy will only become feasible when the cost for producing it becomes less than the costs for acquiring and distributing natural gas and oil. It is a matter of simple economics that Obama doesn't get. I guess he is going to implement a price floor for oil so as to make alternative energy cost effective.

The short term strategy is for full exploitation of oil and natural gas in the continental U.S. I am surprised he didn't bring T.Boone Pickens on board since T. Boone Pickens actually knows what he is talking about. But no the charlatan Messiah is pushing alternative fuel which will end up costing Americans more, but they will justify this by saying that they are saving the "mythical" environment. And of course food prices and all prices will go up strangling the poor.

In Az, I solar and wind is the driving energy tech. With oil fluctuating as it does it is an intolerable factor of production. Short term exploration will only meed 3% of the energy need and that need is growing.

Hydrogen is the largest energy and light water tech is within reach. Clean coal is already here and so is new tech to extract gas more efficiently from formerly low yield areas. One can only attain energy independence if one set goals.

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In Az, I solar and wind is the driving energy tech. With oil fluctuating as it does it is an intolerable factor of production. Short term exploration will only meed 3% of the energy need and that need is growing.

Hydrogen is the largest energy and light water tech is within reach. Clean coal is already here and so is new tech to extract gas more efficiently from formerly low yield areas. One can only attain energy independence if one set goals.

Pal as it stands today, conventional fuels are economically feasible as opposed to alternative non conventional fuels. It is as simple as that.

If non conventional/alternative fuels were cheaper and had hit economies of scale, there would be no need for the Government to enter into the market to skew market forces in its favor. The fact is that these technologies are not feasible or efficient on a large scale. The infrastructure for conventional fuels will guarantee their economic viability for years to come. The only way that solar energy and wind energy will be able to compete with regular oil and gas is if congress passes a price floor. Why? Because if solar and wind produces energy at let us say $5 per kilo watt, and gas and oil produces it at $6 per kilo watt, the oil companies will step up production and cut costs and start to produce at $4 per kilowat. This is the economic environment that alternative fuels cannot compete it.

Saying this, I quote Prof William Anderson an Economist "For all of the ballyhoo for solar and wind power, the ability of these mechanisms to create the energy that comes from coal, oil, or natural gas is miniscule. Robert Bryce in his recent book, Gusher of Lies: The Dangerous Delusions of Energy Independence, lays bare just how inferior the Gore-financed technologies really are. In fact, if it were not for the special subsidies, tax breaks, and government purchases of these various energy devices, Gore's fund would be topping out at zero. To put it another way, Gore's "new technologies" are not commercially viable on a large scale, and certainly cannot begin to replace the current electric production grid in this country and most likely never would be able to do so.

Thus, if these technologies are going to be used on the scale that Gore demands, the only way to do it is through naked brute force. In a word, Gore is appealing to thuggery; he cannot beat his competitors in the marketplace, so he calls for gangs of thugs to shut down construction of these plants, and if that does not work, he wants the government to arrest and imprison the owners."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson227.html

That being said the pseudo obama is going to run this country into the ground by trying to impose the looney environmentalist policies on the country. People are going to starve. They are going to divert corn production to ethanol instead of food. They are already diverting sugar production for this madness.