Despite all the claims made of all the good that has been done since they took office. The PPP has failed to change the lives of the masses in Guyana. These people remain poor and hopeless and no one really cares about them. They had a wonderful opportunity to heal a fractured nation but have done little to embrace change. Yes, there is debt reduction, projects such as the Berbice Bridge etc. But what about the man in the street how much has his/her lives have changed.

Let's be realistic. During the PNC years people's lives went backwards. Under the PPP their lives has not changed according to you.
What do you prefer: going backwards with the PNC, or standing still with the PPP?

However, your wide ranging statement is full of inaccuracies. If you go back to the 1st day of the PPP in office and now, many people are able to show you items in their possession that they did not have during the PNC tenure. Just look at the wider range of goods on sale in the shops, the better cars and spares to boot, mobile phone, bottled water, personal computers, etc. Of course, those things are only available to those who have money to buy. But money comes from working, and those goods are to be found far and wide up and down the country. So people are working and earning enough to afford it.

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Originally posted by Mr.T:
Let's be realistic. During the PNC years people's lives went backwards. Under the PPP their lives has not changed according to you.
What do you prefer: going backwards with the PNC, or standing still with the PPP?

However, your wide ranging statement is full of inaccuracies. If you go back to the 1st day of the PPP in office and now, many people are able to show you items in their possession that they did not have during the PNC tenure. Just look at the wider range of goods on sale in the shops, the better cars and spares to boot, mobile phone, bottled water, personal computers, etc. Of course, those things are only available to those who have money to buy. But money comes from working, and those goods are to be found far and wide up and down the country. So people are working and earning enough to afford it.

Mr T,
I do not prefer either. This not about the PNC. This is a flawed argument to compare them to the PNC. So let us remove the PNC from the equation. The PPP should be held to its own standard, a higher standard that we all expected from them when change finally came. Frankly, they have been a disappointed.

Much of what you referred to is not attributable to the govt. but to the “barrel economy”. That is remittances from overseas Guyanese. Without these remittances there will be negative growth. From a macro level things looks good but when you drill down to the core it is rotten. True enough the availability of goods has increased significantly. But just because goods are available and some have the means to acquire does not equate to a better quality of life. What about our native population how have their changed with the PPP? Take a drive down the coastline and observe how the landscape changes by village. A lot of those villages look the same as they did before the PPP took office. There has been no improvement in race relations, blacks feel locked out of the political process and do not think they matter to PPP. Crime has been horrendous even the wealthy cannot protect themselves. Drug use, mental health condition and treatment of these conditions are woefully lacking. Corruption and nepotism remains rampant. So while some can buy nice tings and drive fancy cars the rest really have to eke out an existence.

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Originally posted by Mr.T:

However, your wide ranging statement is full of inaccuracies. If you go back to the 1st day of the PPP in office and now, many people are able to show you items in their possession that they did not have during the PNC tenure. Just look at the wider range of goods on sale in the shops, the better cars and spares to boot, mobile phone, bottled water, personal computers, etc. Of course, those things are only available to those who have money to buy. But money comes from working, and those goods are to be found far and wide up and down the country. So people are working and earning enough to afford it.

Mr T you living nicely in the Uk When was the last time you went back to Guyana I kive in the US but I go back every year.
I eft Guyana in 1992 and goods in the shop , cars, spares, etc were already there. Most of the things that the poeple enjoy now was there when I left in 1992, By the way were you living in England Pre PPP era if so did have a cell phone then. Even in the early nineties in the USA cell phones were very expensive and more expensive to maintain. Computers were also very expensives.

People are WORkING Indeed but THEY CANNOT AFORD TO DUY THESE THING ON THEIR GUYANA SALARIES Guyana best export and money earner are the guyanese who migrated from Guyana.

Last year (2007) Relatives have sent back US$424 million in remittances to Guyana last year according to a report of the Inter-American Development Bank. And that does not take into considetation money sent back with relatives going to visit Guyana. I woulsd say the figure would be well over half a BILLION UD DOLLARS
So you see MR T where the people get the money to buy the nice things.


Nice roads and steet lights and nice houses does not tell about the suffering of the Guyanese people.

IN MY OPINION NEITHER THE PPP OR THE PNC IS RIGHT FOR GUYANA. THEY SHOULD JUST PACK UP AND LEAVE

STREET LIGHTS
NEW ROADS
BEBT REDUCTION
CORRUPTED GOVERNMENT
GROW YOUR OWN FOOD
HARBOUR BRIDGE
MASSIVE MIGRATION

THAT WAS UNDER THE PNC

HISTORY REPEATING IY SELF FASTER


STREET LIGHTS
NEW ROADS
BEBT REDUCTION
CORRUPTED GOVERNMENT
GROW YOUR OWN FOOD
HARBOUR BRIDGE
MASSIVE MIGRATION

THIS IS UNDER THE PPP

Guyana’s achievements under the PPP:


1. New University in Berbice 2. Dozens of new Secondary schools built and many others repaired. 3. Caricom Convention Hall4. New Supermarket built.5. Industrial parks in several location completed.6. New multi million dollar National Hardware Super center.7. A national Stadium at providence completed.8. National Health Plan worth US$25.5 in progress.9. The Berbice river bridge in progress.10. New Housing Scheme in Linden.11. Takatu Bridge linking Brazil to lethem in progress12. Modernize Wharves and Stellings.13. Restructuring of Transport and habours Department to improve services.14. 50 traffic lights under a US$2.1M project, which is being undertaken by the government.
15. A new line of coconut water and pineapple products which is being produced by SOCOCO, a local company at Coldingen, East Coast Demerara.

16. In excess of $400M have been spent to complete the rehabilitation of the Linden Main Street Band Stand area, upgrade the Haimara road, rehabilitate the Ituni Regional Democratic Council sub-office, develop the Coomack Industrial Park, establish water supply to Moblissa, continue the Linden Technical Institute Wood Drying Kiln and develop demonstration farm sites.

17. They rebuilt all the infrastructure.
Roads, Airports, drainage and irrigation,sewege, two lane highway, sea walls, Kokers And bridges are now being completed

17.New parliament building completed.
18. New security prison built.


19. Manufacturing in Guyana largely involves the processing of minerals, especially bauxite, and of agricultural and forest products, including sugar, rice, rum, and timber for export have benn expanded
20. Factories also produce foodstuffs, beverages, construction materials, clothing, soap, and cigarettes for local use.
21.. feasibilty study on new hydro power, drilling for oil, dairy farming., sea defence projects, new Police stations.
22. New five year plan for tourisn (2005 –2010)
23.., Economic Cooperation with India, Japan, Germany, Brazil, Venezuela..

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Originally posted by Mr.T:
mobile phone, bottled water, personal computers, etc. it.

Most certainly these items were available in 1976.

Ask how Guyanese topday get these items and quite often they are sent in or are paid for by money sent in. With average salaries of US$150/month most barely manage to pay rent.

The elites had their VCRs and satellite dishes during PNC rule.

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Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
Guyana’s achievements under the PPP:

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22. New five year plan for tourisn (2005 –2010)
..

We are all most at the end of that planning period yet arrivals havent increased. The peak year of 1994 hasnt not been passed since. Plus these are mainly returning Guyanese.

the rest looks like a press release in 1973. Of course we know what had happened by 1983. With baby Kong looking increasingly like King Kong I shudder for Guyana.

YOU FORGET ONE

GEORGETOWN went from being known as the GARDEN CITY TO THE GARBAGE CITY

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Originally posted by Pointblank:
YOU FORGET ONE

GEORGETOWN went from being known as the GARDEN CITY TO THE GARBAGE CITY

I lived in GT for seven long years. IT was never beautiful.. garbage collecting is in the hands of hamilton Greene and the city council, and not the PPP. This is an example why they, the PNC and Greene cannot run guyana, Remember that it was Green and the PNC who banktupted guyana. That god for the PPP the country is slowly recovering and overseas Guyana are playing a major part, despite the fact they migrated with over US$3 billion and may have caused the problem..

When Hoyte left guyana had reserves

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Originally posted by FC:


Mr T,
I do not prefer either.

Neither do I. My comments are aimed at the distorted picture portrayed by you. Of course things could be many times better. But let's face it, Guyana started sliding into a poor state at a rapid pace once the troubles in Wismar started in 1963. Many people left our country. They were not just Indians, but also blacks and whites. The decades of neglect that followed were partly due to the the abrupt drop in revenues such as import taxes and income taxes. The disruption in the banking sector, and later the restrictions on foreign currency trading and the weakening of the Guyanese currency, were key factors that affected the whole economy. Guyana is still to recover from many of those factors.

The current government cannot address the poverty in the country without strong means of income to kick start a wider range of job opportunities. It is down to private business to create new industries that can employ more people. The government can't overload government offices and industries under their control with people, when no real need exists for those extra jobs. So unless entrepreneurs are willing to come to Guyana and invest in new forms of production that can be sold abroad and bring in foreign exchange, we are not going to see any radical shake up in the average living standard.
You can blame the PPP now, but no party can transform the economy without means of increased income to sustain any growth. Policies put before the electorate during election time by any of the parties have on the whole avoided any mention of large scale employment creation. Building a school here and a bridge there only provides labour for less than 100 people, and bring in next to no revenues that we can be proud of. They are mere electioneering and point scoring in the short run. Their true worth takes far longer to assess.

So what is the solution if all parties are handicapped by these fundamental economic flaws? People like caribj are in the way of progress. They find fault even with the colour of a dollar bill. It is no use telling us we have a problem. Tell us what is the solution. This ain't Apollo 13.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ramakant_p:
Guyana’s achievements under the PPP:


1. New University in Berbice A BRANCH OF UG AND NOT A FULLY FUNCTIONING UNIVERSITY[
2. Dozens of new Secondary schools built and many others repaired B]BUT THE LEVEL OF EDUCATION GONE DOWN[/B]
3. Caricom Convention Hall GOOD BUT INADIQUATE THE CC IS RENTING SPACE OPPERSITE CCH
4. New Supermarket built. BY PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS AND KNOWN DRUG DEALER
5. Industrial parks in several location completed. AND THE GOV'T HAVE TO PASS SPECIAL AMMENDMENTS AFTER
THE FACT TO COVER UP THE UNDERHAND DEALINGS
6. New multi million dollar National Hardware Super center. BY PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS AND STARTED UNDER HOYTE7. A national Stadium at providence completed. BY INDIA
8. National Health Plan worth US$25.5 in progress. AND THE PRIVATE DOCTORS MAKING ALL THE MONEY EVEN WHEN YOU
GO TO SE THEM AT THE GOV'T HOSPITAL YOU STILL HAVE TO GO AND SEE THEM AT THEIR PRIVATE PRACTICE
9. The Berbice river bridge in progress. ANOTHER FLOAT(AWAY)ING BRIDGE THE SAME TYPE THE PPP USED TO CRITASIZE10. New Housing Scheme in Linden. ANOTHER BURNMAM(SOCIALIST) PLAN
11. Takatu Bridge linking Brazil to lethem in progress THE PLANS FOR THIS AND OTHER BRAZILAIAN/GUYANA
JIONT VENTURES STARTED UNDER HOYTE
12. Modernize Wharves and Stellings. MOSF OF THESE WHARVES ARE PRIVATE COMPANIES
13. Restructuring of Transport and habours Department to improve services. WHEN LAST YOU TRAVEL WITH ONE OF THE
T&HD'S VESSELS
14. 50 traffic lights under a US$2.1M project, which is being undertaken by the government. BY LOANS AND SUSIDY
FROM INDAI
15. A new line of coconut water and pineapple products which is being produced by SOCOCO, a local company at
Coldingen, East Coast Demerara.GOOD FOR GUYANA BUT ARE THE PRICES COMPETITIVE WITH WORLD PRICES

16. In excess of $400M have been spent to complete the rehabilitation of the Linden Main Street Band Stand area,
upgrade the Haimara road, rehabilitate the Ituni Regional Democratic Council sub-office, develop the Coomack
Industrial Park, establish water supply to Moblissa, continue the Linden Technical Institute Wood Drying Kiln and
develop demonstration farm sites. AT LEAST THE PEOPLE ARE GETTING SOME OF THEIR TAXES BACK

17. They rebuilt all the infrastructure. Roads, Airports, drainage and irrigation,sewege, two lane highway, sea
walls, Kokers And bridges are now being completed SO WHY THE LIFESPAN OF THE ROADS SO SHORT AND GUYANA
GET FLODDED OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND THE KOKERS BUSTING AWAY SO STEADY

17. New parliament building completed. WHY THEY NEEDED A NEW ONE CHANGING HE BULIDING WONT CHANGE THEIR SOP
18. New security prison built. I HOPE IT IS FOR THE ELITE OF HE PPP AND THE PNC

19. Manufacturing in Guyana largely involves the processing of minerals, especially bauxite, and of agricultural and
forest products, including sugar, rice, rum, and timber for export have benn expanded LIKE YOU BORN THE OTHER
DAY GUYANA WERE ONE OF THE WORLD'S TOP EXPORTER IN RICE ,BAUXITE,SUGAR TIMBER, ETC NOT ANYMORE
20. Factories also produce foodstuffs, beverages, construction materials, clothing, soap, and cigarettes for local use.
GUYANA AND GUYANESE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR A LONG TIME I WAS ONE WHO USED TO MAKE SOME OF THE THINGS YOU
MENTIONED IN THE 80'S
21.. feasibilty study on new hydro power, drilling for oil, dairy farming.,sea defence projects, new Police stations.
IS BURNHAM BACK IN POWER OR DO I HEAR AN ECHO FROM THE 70'S
22. New five year plan for tourisn (2005 –2010)WHEY DEM TOURIST THEM TEK WAN DETOUR IS MOSTLY GUYANESE GOING TO SEE
THEIR RELATIVES BECAUSE MOST OF THEIR RELATIVES CANNOT COME SEE THEM
23.., Economic Cooperation with India, Japan, Germany, Brazil, Venezuela.. HOW YOU THINK GUYANA GOT SO MUCH HELP THRU
THE YEARS