last nite i fell asleep and then got woken up to see the the CBC news at 1a.m...they showed the house as the bodies were being brought out
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btw, just on this issue, i am sooooooo tempted to go over to the political...but my views would be deemed argumentative

my only big take on all of this now is that the

1.HOME AFFAIRS minister is a waste of time and money.

2. Gajraj should be brought back as HA minister...he has the strength and ability to do what needs to be done

3. The commisioner of police is 'criminal'...oops, did i say that loudly...i doan mean it that way fire his ass

Artemis, i wasn't in the lock-ups, got dumped back at school.... When I left Guyana I was too young to vote, I don't belong to any political party...

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Originally posted by alena:
Artemis, i wasn't in the lock-ups, got dumped back at school.... When I left Guyana I was too young to vote, I don't belong to any political party...

I left as a youngah tooo... so that means I don't belong to any party ....yahooooooo.

lack up goshhhhhhhh...

a warning/caution to all who go to GY

if the bandits/gunmen ever attack you...play dead at the first injury///it may save ur life

when the bandits/robbers went to our home on Dec 30th 92...my mom played dead...she was bleeding so much that they believed that she was dead and stopped firing at her...she lived to tell it.

Maybe if Mr. Sawh did not groan, they may not have shot him in his head as they left

also, it could be that when they killed his sister they thought that they had gotten his wife

they went there to wipe out his family

Chameli, sorry to hear about your ordeal... I agree with you the intent was 'TO KILL'.. Felix thinks this is a robbery.... One poster on Political thinks the PPP did it...

I was just telling my hubby this morning that I think they thought the sister was the wife... the intention was to wipe out the whole family.

My sister spoke to Mr Sawh's cousin in Canada yesterday.. His cousin was bawling her head out because she was reliving another nightmare that happened in the 60's . 7 of her family members were massacared in Mahaicony. I think these people are also Mr Sawh's relatives. Do you know?

felix is a dunce. must be fired immediately

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Originally posted by alena:
Chameli, sorry to hear about your ordeal... I agree with you the intent was 'TO KILL'.. Felix thinks this is a robbery.... One poster on Political thinks the PPP did it...

I was just telling my hubby this morning that I think they thought the sister was the wife... the intention was to wipe out the whole family.

My sister spoke to Mr Sawh's cousin in Canada yesterday.. His cousin was bawling her head out because she was reliving another nightmare that happened in the 60's . 7 of her family members were massacared in Mahaicony. I think these people are also Mr Sawh's relatives. Do you know?

vote ppp!

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Originally posted by alena:
[]another nightmare that happened in the 60's . 7 of her family members were massacared in Mahaicony. I think these people are also Mr Sawh's relatives. Do you know?

yes..they were related

So it's really a total of 10 relatives from one family now who got killed.

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Originally posted by alena:
So it's really a total of 10 relatives from one family now who got killed.

the price for democracy can be very high

them people should do a jandi (sp) all these tragic deaths.

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Originally posted by Racist:
them people should do a jandi (sp) all these tragic deaths.

the gods obviously doan seem too pleased wid de Sawh family.

very ,very sad news of this awful slaying of inocent people. it must be frightening for others living there and those thinking of visiting our beautiful birth land.MAY THE HIGHTER POWER GIVE THE LIVING RELATIVES THE STRENGTH TO WORK THROUGH THIS SAD EVENT IN THEIR LIVES.

Dougan
I hope not, because if things bad now.. It will get really bad if a coup was to happen.
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Doug, Ms. M is a good teacher

i read a few threads on the political, i think a lot of ppl feel that the sympathy to the family is racially motivated

pls chk the time this thread was started; i posted it within half hr of call.

let me make this clear again...

I knew Raj...we worked together and i met him many times after that...he called my home very often

Ppl i am very close to grew up with this family

I met Julie a few times and spoke with her on the phone many times

I never spoke to the minister but had seen him at the cricket ground...i did not even know he was a politician...he sat around and talked to the guys.

so again...i am not motivated because he is a 'coolie' but because of the pain that these deaths have caused to ppl i am close with.

I am sorry for the death of the security guard...i hope his wife and 7 children will be given the resources to manage.

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I am sorry for the death of the security guard...i hope his wife and 7 children will be given the resources to manage.

this is real sad...it will be rough for this family

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read a few threads on the political, i think a lot of ppl feel that the sympathy to the family is racially motivated

Not so much racially...it's just that so many have died brutally over the years...folks feel that it may unfair to star a forum just for Mr. Shaw...

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Originally posted by raymond:

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read a few threads on the political, i think a lot of ppl feel that the sympathy to the family is racially motivated

Not so much racially...it's just that so many have died brutally over the years...folks feel that it may unfair to star a forum just for Mr. Shaw...

raymond, in all fairness...yes many have died to similar fate...but did we know them?

Mr Sawh was a well known and well liked person...maybe liked too much was the problem...

i started this early yesterday because of family closeness....jeez, i even knew his mother...

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Originally posted by raymond:

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read a few threads on the political, i think a lot of ppl feel that the sympathy to the family is racially motivated

Not so much racially...it's just that so many have died brutally over the years...folks feel that it may unfair to star a forum just for Mr. Shaw...

raymond, in all fairness...yes many have died to similar faith...but did we know them?

Mr Sawh was a well known and well liked person...maybe liked too much was the problem...

i started this early yesterday because of family closeness....jeez, i even knew his mother...

tell these nut cases. bleedding hearts pncites

thanks for the link chami

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Originally posted by krishna:

tell these nut cases. bleedding hearts pncites

Do you have to PNC to care for all the innocent folks who died since this incompetent PPP gov't is in office?

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Originally posted by Chief:

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Originally posted by krishna:

tell these nut cases. bleedding hearts pncites

Do you have to PNC to care for all the innocent folks who died since this incompetent PPP gov't is in office?

Chief, have u gone senile?

try to refresh your memory of the killings, rape and torture that occured during the PNC reign (gosh, the pain of some of those memories are overbearing)

Cham,
I am the same Chief but some folks keep thier heads in the sand. During the PNC time it was not as half as bad as it under the PPP.
Currently I have a relative and her daughter who is a law student at UG and they are supposed to return to Guyana tomorrow nite , you had to seen the fear in thier faces when they heard about the Minister's death. They live at Annadale and they relate that it is very difficult to sleep at nites because you do not know who next and when the bandits shall come and attack. This lady is a single mother and every nite she drives to UG to escort her only child home.

Cham people voted for the PPP in order that they may get rid of the horrors of the PNC however unfortunately the PPP has failed and failed miserably.

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Originally posted by Chief:
Cham,
I am the same Chief but some folks keep thier heads in the sand. During the PNC time it was not as half as bad as it under the PPP.
Currently I have a relative and her daughter who is a law student at UG and they are supposed to return to Guyana tomorrow nite , you had to seen the fear in thier faces when they heard about the Minister's death. They live at Annadale and they relate that it is very difficult to sleep at nites because you do not know who next and when the bandits shall come and attack. This lady is a single mother and every nite she drives to UG to escort her only child home.

Cham people voted for the PPP in order that they may get rid of the horrors of the PNC however unfortunately the PPP has failed and failed miserably.

I think it is you who more need an examination of the head. During the PNC time there was a lockdown on freedoms across the board. The corentyne had three toll gates manned by soldiers.

My family was shaken down every week for a sheep here or a chicken there and it never ended. One could not keep more than a few lbs of the rice you plant...and yes, one was robbed all the time.

It is not the PPP that causes Indians to be in jeopardy for their lives. It is because the PPP is seen as Indian and Indians are not supposed to have the authority to govern. Yes you need your head examined.

Ok D2 is "awee time now" so enjoy it!!!
How many more will have to die?

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Originally posted by Chief:
Ok D2 is "awee time now" so enjoy it!!!
How many more will have to die?

Where is it you see me saying "awee time"? The dysfunction is in the necessity to think in terms of them and us in relation to activities of the state. I am clear on that so this accusation of "awee and them " is a waste of time. I am speaking to your idle call for the resignation of the President, your insistence that they are the cause of the problems in the society and that Indians deserve what they get. That is myopic and silly.

If you are concerned with good governance, you would respect the institutions of government and ask for change through the machinery of the state; the electoral process or a no confidence vote or any of the procedures of parliament that can remove him in a matter coincident with law. You do not get rid of a president simply by forcing him from office illegally. No president, be it a PPP or a PNC president should be removed from office because ministers are targets by dissatisfied individuals showing their discontent through murder.

Further, if you ask for the removal of a president you tell us of the replacement you have. I notice you said even the PNC would be better. Very few of the Indian community think that way and the next elections they will tell you exactly what they think. If the PNC were indeed an alternative they would be telling us of constitutional changes and of a devolution of power. Unfortunately, they want power on the platter of ethnic vote no less than the PPP. If you were going to ask for the president’s resignation you would have to give me more than that. Presently it is a preference among bastards and the one there has a right to be there.

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I am speaking to your idle call for the resignation of the President, your insistence that they are the cause of the problems in the society and that Indians deserve what they get. .

At no time did I say such nonsense.

My reaction is to the posters who are claiming that THE GUARD WHO DIED belongs to the PNC AND THAT Corbin should take care of him.
I challenge you and anyone else to produce facts that there were more murders and assasinations under the PNC. The President and his gov't has shown so much incompetnece in the area of security to all Guyanese that even resignation is not good enough for them, they rass should be jail for allowing the slaughter of innocent Guyanese. I am tired hearing it's the PNC AND HOYTE who is responsible for this mees the country is in well hello D2, THE PPP is the gov't and they have demonstrated that they have no management capabilities to stop the crap that' going on in Guyana.
d2 you are speaking from both sides of your mouth for only yesterday on Political you said that you had no sympathy for the Prseident for he can fall on his sword or something to that effect.

I am cleary saying that the ball starts and stops with the gov't.

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Originally posted by Chief:

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I am speaking to your idle call for the resignation of the President, your insistence that they are the cause of the problems in the society and that Indians deserve what they get. .

At no time did I say such nonsense.

My reaction is to the posters who are claiming that THE GUARD WHO DIED belongs to the PNC AND THAT Corbin should take care of him.
I challenge you and anyone else to produce facts that there were more murders and assasinations under the PNC. The President and his gov't has shown so much incompetnece in the area of security to all Guyanese that even resignation is not good enough for them, they rass should be jail for allowing the slaughter of innocent Guyanese. I am tired hearing it's the PNC AND HOYTE who is responsible for this mees the country is in well hello D2, THE PPP is the gov't and they have demonstrated that they have no management capabilities to stop the crap that' going on in Guyana.
d2 you are speaking from both sides of your mouth for only yesterday on Political you said that you had no sympathy for the Prseident for he can fall on his sword or something to that effect.

I am cleary saying that the ball starts and stops with the gov't.

I answer to what I say for myself.

The President’s incompetence is measured against a demonic hoard murdering innocent. Do you think they are driven by natural instinct to kill or are they simpletons persuaded to act on behalf of others with specific ends in mind?.

Blame those who engineer motives for violence as well as the president and not one side or the other. The US, its military might, technological know-how and 160K soldiers with shoot to kill orders cannot keep Insurgents in Iraq in line. Think how hard for it is for a president with no reliable police force or military to aid him. Put the blame on both side of the question.

What is it that my lack of sympathy for the President has to do with your call to subvert constitutional process? I firmly believe that humans are constrained only by intuitions. As Madison said, left to themselves they seek only to maximize their self-interest. Ino onw ever should speak of removing a president except with the force of law.

The responsibility of citizens in a social system is to abide by the rules. The President of course has oversight of the rules and if he is incompetent he will fail in his duties. However, the people who transgressed the rules are still evildoers and one does not reward their evil with concessions as you asked.