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Originally posted by bird:
Chato-Margot ah think that is how you spell it east coast place with a big chimney.

Chateau Margot...next to success village

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Originally posted by Riya:

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Originally posted by DaFreak:

a doan believe suh, TGaj is fram RH or Albion i believe

Huh. Now I'm uncertain.

TJ from Fryrish and they move Blairmont

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Originally posted by Errol Arthur:

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Originally posted by Dove:

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Originally posted by Riya:

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Originally posted by Dove:

Mara is of old Yiddish, it means bitterness to the Jews.

How did we end up with Yiddish names in Guyana? Do you know?

Sephardic Jews who were known as the Gypsies of the Jews, sort of like a lower caste Jew... they came from the Moors Regions of Spain, Portugal and even some middle eastern areas... Paula Abul's father is a Sephardic Jew, Actor Hank Azaria is Sephardic, their features are among the charateristics of the sect... again, there's also the more recent in the times of Hitler when people ran from the extinction process. Jews and Germans of Jewish decent as well as someof the killers of Jews.

As a matter of fact when the Allies were trying to find a homeland for the Jews at the end of WWII, Guyana was nominated by the British for that purpose. I waonder what our history would have been like if the Jews had not insisted on Israel.]

...don't even go their now with the reality of what is in between Palestine an dIsrael today...

How DC's weather now? ...gotta be there for graduation at Catholic U.

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Originally posted by Dove:
Mara is of old Yiddish, it means bitterness to the Jews.

don't let kidmost see this

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Originally posted by Riya:

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Originally posted by Dove:

Mara is of old Yiddish, it means bitterness to the Jews.

How did we end up with Yiddish names in Guyana? Do you know?

Under the Dutch governor Gravesande several Dutch Jewish business men were given contracts to cultivate the land in the interior as we know it today...including Mara.....

Also in the 1930's there was a strong Jewish interest in British Guiana especially in the Mazaruni area....the British tried to resettle Europen Jews in that area.....the proposals were not accepted and the Jews ended up in Palistine....

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Originally posted by bird:
Chato-Margot ah think that is how you spell it east coast place with a big chimney.

French.

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Originally posted by Churchill:
Jews ended up in Palistine....

where is this?

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Originally posted by Jhumbie:

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Originally posted by Churchill:
Jews ended up in Palistine....

where is this?

In the Middle East...

On the Corentyne there is also Hampshire, Nigg, Bloomfield, Mahdia, Liverpool, Manchester, etc....

Then there is Tamarind Town where most of the early Madrasis settled on the Corentyne...

On the East Coast of Demerara one can find Fairfield,Quakershall,Bloomhall,Cartonhall,Cottage,Bath,DeKinderend,Highdam,Perseverance, etc....

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Originally posted by Errol Arthur:
As a matter of fact when the Allies were trying to find a homeland for the Jews at the end of WWII, Guyana was nominated by the British for that purpose. I waonder what our history would have been like if the Jews had not insisted on Israel.]

Some of the plantation owners were also Jewish (Dutch Jews). A couple streets in Georgetown is of Jewish origin (can't remember which at the moment)

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Originally posted by BK:

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Originally posted by Dove:
Mara is of old Yiddish, it means bitterness to the Jews.

don't let kidmost see this

..ah did only tinkin bout Maraman but yuh rite...

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Originally posted by BK:
A couple streets in Georgetown is of Jewish origin (can't remember which at the moment)

Rosenburg Avenue...

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Originally posted by Errol Arthur:
I was thinking of internationally famous writer and academician, Jan Carew.

Jan Carew best known as a writer and thinker, once acted with Sir Laurence Olivier while he was living in London.

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Originally posted by Riya:
How did we end up with Yiddish names in Guyana? Do you know?

Berbice had a significant settlement of Jews in 1639, who were fleeing religious persecution in Brazil, they settled in what was then the Dutch colony of Berbice but later moved to Suriname.

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Originally posted by Dove:

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Originally posted by Errol Arthur:

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Originally posted by Dove:

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Originally posted by Riya:

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Originally posted by Dove:

Mara is of old Yiddish, it means bitterness to the Jews.

How did we end up with Yiddish names in Guyana? Do you know?

Sephardic Jews who were known as the Gypsies of the Jews, sort of like a lower caste Jew... they came from the Moors Regions of Spain, Portugal and even some middle eastern areas... Paula Abul's father is a Sephardic Jew, Actor Hank Azaria is Sephardic, their features are among the charateristics of the sect... again, there's also the more recent in the times of Hitler when people ran from the extinction process. Jews and Germans of Jewish decent as well as someof the killers of Jews.

As a matter of fact when the Allies were trying to find a homeland for the Jews at the end of WWII, Guyana was nominated by the British for that purpose. I waonder what our history would have been like if the Jews had not insisted on Israel.]

...don't even go their now with the reality of what is in between Palestine an dIsrael today...

How DC's weather now? ...gotta be there for graduation at Catholic U.

The weather is absolutely fabulous. Congratulations to the graduate.

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Originally posted by Dove:

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Originally posted by Errol Arthur:
I was thinking of internationally famous writer and academician, Jan Carew.

Jan Carew best known as a writer and thinker, once acted with Sir Laurence Olivier while he was living in London.

Jan Carew was one of the first Guyanese who studied in Russia in the late fifties early sixties...when he returned he lived in the interior for a while...

He wrote the then "popular" novel "Moscow is not my Mecca"....

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Originally posted by Dove:

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Originally posted by Riya:
How did we end up with Yiddish names in Guyana? Do you know?

Berbice had a significant settlement of Jews in 1639, who were fleeing religious persecution in Brazil, they settled in what was then the Dutch colony of Berbice but later moved to Suriname.

Many of the Jews also came from Spain as they fled the Spanish Inquisition....

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Originally posted by Errol Arthur:

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Originally posted by Dove:
How DC's weather now? ...gotta be there for graduation at Catholic U.

The weather is absolutely fabulous. Congratulations to the graduate.

Thanks we're proud of her... it's Columbia for Grad school now... can you say empy pockets...

Riya, this link has a list of countries that Judaism is/was practiced... Judaism by Country

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Originally posted by Churchill:

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Originally posted by Dove:

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Originally posted by Riya:
How did we end up with Yiddish names in Guyana? Do you know?

Berbice had a significant settlement of Jews in 1639, who were fleeing religious persecution in Brazil, they settled in what was then the Dutch colony of Berbice but later moved to Suriname.

Many of the Jews also came from Spain as they fled the Spanish Inquisition....

Yes, the expulsion of 1492, the same year Columbus started his journies... Go back a page for Errol's and my comments, we said what you repeated on this page. Let's hope the young folks here appreciate our knowledge.

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Originally posted by Dove:
Yes, the expulsion of 1492, the same year Columbus started his journies... Go back a page for Errol's and my comments, we said what you repeated on this page. Let's hope the young folks here appreciate our knowledge.

There is a school of thought that advances the theory that Columbus was a Jew...

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Originally posted by Churchill:

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Originally posted by Dove:
Yes, the expulsion of 1492, the same year Columbus started his journies... Go back a page for Errol's and my comments, we said what you repeated on this page. Let's hope the young folks here appreciate our knowledge.

There is a school of thought that advances the theory that Columbus was a Jew...

...leading to why he was not given any more money to continue his explorations...

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Originally posted by Churchill:
Rosenburg Avenue...

very funny, but ah thinking more along the line of Lombard or Leopold streets for the Jewish (I can't quite seem to get correct Jewish name) .

This account appeared in the November-December 1963 issue of the PYO publication, Young Guiana:

THE INTRIGUING STORY OF PLACE NAMES OF GUYANA

The first thing which strikes even the casual observer is the fact that most place names of Guyana are Dutch, French or English. Dutch names such as Uitvlugt, Goedverwagting, Noitgedacht and New Amsterdam abound everywhere. So do English names as Albion, Wellington, Leeds or Fairfield. French names are fewer than either Dutch or English but, still, they are quite well represented in places such as La Bonne Intention, Rosignol, Lusignan or Versailles.

The existence of these names in such widespread profusion clearly points to our association with Holland, France and Britain. For Guyana was Dutch and French at one time before finally becoming British. During the period of Dutch, French and British rule, large numbers of Dutchmen, Frenchmen and Englishmen settled to Guyana and they naturally christened their respective settlements with names taken from their own language. The greater number of Dutch and English names as compared with French clearly indicates that the French were here for a shorter period and that the measure of their influence was not as great as either Dutch or English.

A great number of these names, whether they be English Dutch or French, have certain common characteristics: They tell the story of the personal struggle, the love and hates, the disappointments and triumphs and even the national feeling and religious sentiments of the early settlers.

Loyalty and love for his country was shown by the British settler who named his plantation Britannia. Pride in its achievements is reflected in the name Waterloo — one of England’s greatest victories; or Wellington, the general who defeated Napoleon. Dutchmen were not far behind in expressing their national feeling when they named their plantations Hollandia, Zeelandia or Vriesland after provinces in their fatherland. The French settlers who called their estates Bordeaux or Versailles must have had similar upsurges of national sentiment.

Some settlers showed their religious feeling when they gave their properties such names as Paradise, Garden of Eden, Land of Canaan, De Wildernis or Engel Rust (i.e., Angel’s Rest). All these names have Biblical associations.

The early settlers were men who were fortune hunters. They had to be tough and adventurous, and often, as is the case of such men, they had a gambler’s temperament. These traits may have accounted for such names as Fortuin, Goed Fortuin, Le Destin (meaning Destiny), Adventure, Enterprise or the Dutch Onderneeming (also meaning Enterprise).

To gain their ends, hard work, patience and fortitude were needed. The settler had to persevere and have his wits about him – thus names such as Zelden Rust (Little Rest), Endeavour, Werk-en-Rust (Work and Rest), Vigilance, Malgre Tout (In Spite of All), Reliance, Perseverance and Industry. Planters sometimes found it were better to wait patiently in their endeavours and so we have Goedverwagting (Good for Waiting) or Beterverwagting (Better for Waiting).

Many settlers would pin their hopes of success on their lands and would call their estates by names symbolising hopefulness; Sheet Anchor, Rising Sun, Aurora and Dageraad (Dawn) are all emblems of hope. Hope, Good Hope, Better Hope, New Hope, Best and Vreed-en-Hoop (Peace and Hope) also obviously within this category.

Some settlers may have even felt that they were successful even before they had really begun, or others may have found that their labours had been rewarded. Such people would call their estates Sucess, Good Success or Better Success; Triumph, Prosperity, Felicity, Weldaad (Benefit) or Vergenoegen (Content) may have also been chosen as name by prosperous settlers.

But plantations did not always pay and in spite of hard work failure dogged the steps of many early Europeans. They would sometimes commemorate their disappointments with names such as Zorg (Sorrow or Care), Meer-Zorg (More Sorrow), Meten-meer-zorg (With Even More Sorrow), Zorgen Hoop (Pain and Hope) or Zorg-en-Lust (Pain with Pleasure). Sometimes they would become even slightly hardened to misfortune, and two settlers at least may have said “Never mind!” – the Dutchman, who said Noitgedacht, and the Irishman who said Nabaclis.

At least three plantations which bear names signifying sorrow, however, commemorated a heart burning of a more personal kind. Le Repentir (Repentance) Le Regret (Regret) and La Penitance (Penitence) marked the feelings of remorse of their owner, the Frenchman De Saffon. De Saffon was said to have killed his brother and his heart was so filled with sorrow that he gave his plantations these sad names.

There are many cases, other than De Saffon’s, in which family feeling and affection are reflected in plantation names. Relations certainly showed their love, or respect, for ladies in their family when they named their holdings Kitty, Sophia, Susannah’s Rust (Susannah’s Rest), Cornelia Ida, Ann’s Grove, Eve Leary or Elizabeth Hall. A dutiful or grateful son may have called his estate Le Bon Pere (Good Father) or La Bonne Mere (Good Mother) in honour of his parents. A father may have called his estate De Kinderen (The Children) from the affection he held for them.

Welcome Mr Ambassador.

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Originally posted by DaFreak:
Example: LetterKenny

duh is an ole village in Ireland, were deh Irish in GY?

In Ireland I heard folks conversing and it sounded just like our Creolese.

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Originally posted by DaFreak:
anodda hard to spell village is Strathspey wut de heck is dat one?

Strathspey is the area around the River Spey in the Scottish Highlands.

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Originally posted by Odeen Ishmael:
This account appeared in the November-December 1963 issue of the PYO publication, Young Guiana:

THE INTRIGUING STORY OF PLACE NAMES OF GUYANA....

This is a very enlightening article. I see Britannia and many West Coast Berbice villages.

Welcome to our humble abode.

Welcome Mr. Ambassador.. Well, tonite I have truly learn alot...very interesting and thank you for that wonderful contribution.

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Originally posted by Churchill:

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Originally posted by Dove:
Yes, the expulsion of 1492, the same year Columbus started his journies... Go back a page for Errol's and my comments, we said what you repeated on this page. Let's hope the young folks here appreciate our knowledge.

There is a school of thought that advances the theory that Columbus was a Jew...

This I didn't know...wow..

how fortunate we are ... our history is extremely RICH

Did anyone mention
Bath Settlement - Bce
Aurora - esseq