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Cool Babe
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Mr. T.. how you doing man..

How come in Guyana they dont have many streets, towns or villages with Hindustani names like in Suriname? You know some Hindustani names of places in Suriname?
The British were more interested in trapping the kulies and deculturing them versus the Dutch who were more humane in allowing the kulies to sustain their culture.

This is an interesting ...but the British influenced were more than the Dutch...at least what I am reading here...but did not the British treat the ppl well in comparsion to how they did in India...(forgive my ignorance, I am now trying to get the hang of this)... another thing Jansher... u refer to a highway naming after Indria Ghandi in Parimaribo...don't they have more of an Indian influence in Nickerie ... per say than in the city?
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Mr T....what where some of the names of the areas/villages around there?...and maybe their origin.


Don't know about origins, but places I remember are:


Speightland and Dalawalla: located some 3 miles in the Lower Demerara from Linden.

Moblissa: located east of the Soesdyke Linden Highway.

Wiruni, Wikki/ Calcuni and Kwakwani, DeVeldt, Geatroy, Kimbia, Ebini, Fort Nassau, Ebini.

West Watooka: on the right Bank of the Demerara.

Mr. Tezeess... did u lived in Suriname ...u said u were born in Linden, my dad told me that it was a wonderful place esp if one can see the processing of bauxite.. red silt.. wavey.gif
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Mr. T.. how you doing man..

How come in Guyana they dont have many streets, towns or villages with Hindustani names like in Suriname? You know some Hindustani names of places in Suriname?
The British were more interested in trapping the kulies and deculturing them versus the Dutch who were more humane in allowing the kulies to sustain their culture.

This is an interesting ...but the British influenced were more than the Dutch...at least what I am reading here...but did not the British treat the ppl well in comparsion to how they did in India...(forgive my ignorance, I am now trying to get the hang of this)... another thing Jansher... u refer to a highway naming after Indria Ghandi in Parimaribo...don't they have more of an Indian influence in Nickerie ... per say than in the city?


Yes, tons of indian names in nickerie. The highway from the airport to downtown is the Indira Gandhi way.. Numerious indian names.

The British, French and Spanish wanted to conquer us culturally and make us European in all senses, the church was big time in this.

In suriname the Dutch gov. took charge of education and did not turn the entire thing over to the evangalists.
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Mr. Tezeess... did u lived in Suriname ...u said u were born in Linden, my dad told me that it was a wonderful place esp if one can see the processing of bauxite.. red silt.. wavey.gif

Morning doc Wink. I ended up in Suriname after the local non-black population of Wismar was nearly wiped out.
The place was OK, but the red bauxite dust was hell. Try washing clothes and putting them outside to dry. Or try growing vegetables or fruits. Most fruits were easily damaged by the dust.
The bauxite ships brought in foreign sailors, which attracted a certain amount of crime. Prostitution and drugs were two of them. Burnham did try to eliminate my family after my grandfather was accused of blowing up one of Burnhams' yachts mored in the "marina".
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U know guys I am really appreciating this thread...there are things here that I did not even know... u refer to Wismar...my dad worked up there at one time but left because probably the same reason... dunno
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List of some British and Irish soldiers that deserted their "posts" in British Guiana (1803)

(Legend – Name, age, height, complexion, color of eyes, hair color, country of origin)

James Bracefield: 22; 5’4”; Pale; Gray; Brown, England
Francis Foster: 22; 5’6”, swarthy, brown, brown, Ireland
Michael Feagen: 26; 5’5”, dark, brown, black, Ireland
Arthur Develine: 20; 5’8”, swarthy, fray, dark brown, Ireland
Abraham Taylor: 20; 5’ 5 ½”, fair, gray, fair, England
John Hogan: 27; 5’ 7 ¼”, pale, gray, dark brown, Ireland
Edward Kenny: 30, 5’ 6 5/8”, fresh, blue, dark brown, Ireland
Garret Lyons: 30, 5’ 6 ¼”, fresh, gray, fair, Ireland
Shrewsbury: 30, 5’ 10”, sallow, gray, fair, England.
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East Bank essequibo
Hubu
Salem
Parika
Hydronie
Orangestein
Le Destein
Farm
Rudy
Good Hope
Barnwell
Greenwich Park
Philadelphia
Vergenoegen
Tuschen

West Coast Demerara

Zeelugt
De Kinderen
Meten-Meer-Zorg
De Willem
Zeeburg
Uitvlugt
Stewartville
Leonora
Anna Catherina
Cornelia Ida
Hague
Den Amstel
La Jalousie
Windsor Forest
Ruimzight ( ? sp)

missing a few here..

Vreed-en-hoop


On EBE ~
Naamryk

On WCD ~
Groeneveldt
Edinburgh
Fellowship
Blankenburg
Nouvelle Flanders
Crane
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how bout Blankenburg, mo German influence?


...don't forget again that we had Germans who fled the Hitler regime for the South American coasts. My great-grandfather was German, he was a pharmacist who came to Guyana to dispense medicine.

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This account appeared in the November-December 1963 issue of the PYO publication, Young Guiana:

THE INTRIGUING STORY OF PLACE NAMES OF GUYANA

The first thing which strikes even the casual observer is the fact that most place names of Guyana are Dutch, French or English. Dutch names such as Uitvlugt, Goedverwagting, Noitgedacht and New Amsterdam abound everywhere. So do English names as Albion, Wellington, Leeds or Fairfield. French names are fewer than either Dutch or English but, still, they are quite well represented in places such as La Bonne Intention, Rosignol, Lusignan or Versailles.

The existence of these names in such widespread profusion clearly points to our association with Holland, France and Britain. For Guyana was Dutch and French at one time before finally becoming British. During the period of Dutch, French and British rule, large numbers of Dutchmen, Frenchmen and Englishmen settled to Guyana and they naturally christened their respective settlements with names taken from their own language. The greater number of Dutch and English names as compared with French clearly indicates that the French were here for a shorter period and that the measure of their influence was not as great as either Dutch or English.

A great number of these names, whether they be English Dutch or French, have certain common characteristics: They tell the story of the personal struggle, the love and hates, the disappointments and triumphs and even the national feeling and religious sentiments of the early settlers.

Loyalty and love for his country was shown by the British settler who named his plantation Britannia. Pride in its achievements is reflected in the name Waterloo — one of England’s greatest victories; or Wellington, the general who defeated Napoleon. Dutchmen were not far behind in expressing their national feeling when they named their plantations Hollandia, Zeelandia or Vriesland after provinces in their fatherland. The French settlers who called their estates Bordeaux or Versailles must have had similar upsurges of national sentiment.

Some settlers showed their religious feeling when they gave their properties such names as Paradise, Garden of Eden, Land of Canaan, De Wildernis or Engel Rust (i.e., Angel’s Rest). All these names have Biblical associations.

The early settlers were men who were fortune hunters. They had to be tough and adventurous, and often, as is the case of such men, they had a gambler’s temperament. These traits may have accounted for such names as Fortuin, Goed Fortuin, Le Destin (meaning Destiny), Adventure, Enterprise or the Dutch Onderneeming (also meaning Enterprise).

To gain their ends, hard work, patience and fortitude were needed. The settler had to persevere and have his wits about him – thus names such as Zelden Rust (Little Rest), Endeavour, Werk-en-Rust (Work and Rest), Vigilance, Malgre Tout (In Spite of All), Reliance, Perseverance and Industry. Planters sometimes found it were better to wait patiently in their endeavours and so we have Goedverwagting (Good for Waiting) or Beterverwagting (Better for Waiting).

Many settlers would pin their hopes of success on their lands and would call their estates by names symbolising hopefulness; Sheet Anchor, Rising Sun, Aurora and Dageraad (Dawn) are all emblems of hope. Hope, Good Hope, Better Hope, New Hope, Best and Vreed-en-Hoop (Peace and Hope) also obviously within this category.

Some settlers may have even felt that they were successful even before they had really begun, or others may have found that their labours had been rewarded. Such people would call their estates Sucess, Good Success or Better Success; Triumph, Prosperity, Felicity, Weldaad (Benefit) or Vergenoegen (Content) may have also been chosen as name by prosperous settlers.

But plantations did not always pay and in spite of hard work failure dogged the steps of many early Europeans. They would sometimes commemorate their disappointments with names such as Zorg (Sorrow or Care), Meer-Zorg (More Sorrow), Meten-meer-zorg (With Even More Sorrow), Zorgen Hoop (Pain and Hope) or Zorg-en-Lust (Pain with Pleasure). Sometimes they would become even slightly hardened to misfortune, and two settlers at least may have said “Never mind!” – the Dutchman, who said Noitgedacht, and the Irishman who said Nabaclis.

At least three plantations which bear names signifying sorrow, however, commemorated a heart burning of a more personal kind. Le Repentir (Repentance) Le Regret (Regret) and La Penitance (Penitence) marked the feelings of remorse of their owner, the Frenchman De Saffon. De Saffon was said to have killed his brother and his heart was so filled with sorrow that he gave his plantations these sad names.

There are many cases, other than De Saffon’s, in which family feeling and affection are reflected in plantation names. Relations certainly showed their love, or respect, for ladies in their family when they named their holdings Kitty, Sophia, Susannah’s Rust (Susannah’s Rest), Cornelia Ida, Ann’s Grove, Eve Leary or Elizabeth Hall. A dutiful or grateful son may have called his estate Le Bon Pere (Good Father) or La Bonne Mere (Good Mother) in honour of his parents. A father may have called his estate De Kinderen (The Children) from the affection he held for them.



Sir, what an honor to have your contribution on this forum after so many long years. It's doubly good to know that we have your support in discussing this topic; many of us do take pride in remembering and sharing what we learned of the history of our homeland. Thank you again we appreciate it immensely.

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That street was named after Alice well known as Kosilla who was killed on March 6th,1964 when she and other workers were demonstating for the recognisation of the Guyana Agricultural Workers Union (GAWU)...

The workers were on strike and a scab employed by the expatraite management drove a tractor into the protestors thus killing Alice aka Kowsilla and seriouslly wounding several others...

As a young boy I attended that funeral with my uncle and other young activists...


I was a but a tot then but many in my family were a part of the support group for the striking workers. Where's Queenie, to share your nostalgia in her St. Roses uniform getting arrested... Smile

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yea Pakistan Big Grin i mentioned we have a Harlem too on WCD

Windsor Forest is probably Brit huh Churchy?


It sounds British .....I am surprised that the area there did not adopt a Chinese name as the first set of Chinese labourers were "bounded" for and lived at Windsor Forest.....around to late 1830's....


The Chinese in Guyana... another part of my ancestry... Smile

The first batch of Chinese landed in Georgetown, British Guiana in 1853, and for the next few years all were men, most being taken forcibly. To curb the excesses of this trade in human cargo the British and Chinese authorities in Canton agreed to a formal supervised recruitment process and families were encouraged to emigrate. Chinese women began arriving in 1860, but in small numbers. The period from 1860 to 1866 saw a relatively large influx of immigrants, bringing the local Chinese population to a peak of 10,022 in 1866. Subsequently only two boats arrived with Chinese immigrants, one in 1874 and the other in 1879. After this Chinese immigrants came of their own free will and at their own expense.

The 39 ships that brought the Chinese labourers were chartered by recruiting agents based in Canton, China, with the cost of shipping shared between the colony's Immigration Fund and the plantation owners. The ships travelled by way of Singapore and Cape Town, arriving at Georgetown after a journey of between 70 and 177 days.

The distribution of Chinese labourers to the sugar plantations in the three counties of Berbice, Demerara, and Essequebo was made by the Immigration Agent-General who based his decision on the quotas submitted by the plantation owners several months previously. Families were kept together in the distribution.

Passenger lists were maintained by the Immigration Office in Georgetown and an ongoing search is in progress to locate these and other relevant documents that give the names of the Chinese immigrants. The names of some indivduals are presented in this compilation and further names will be added as they become known.

By 1900 the Chinese population in British Guiana had dwindled to 2,919 since the majority of Chinese at that time preferred to marry people from their own country but there were too few Chinese women available. Many also left the colony to seek there destiny in other countries, particularly French Guiana, Surinam and Trinidad.

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Churchie..this Friendship u guys referring to is the one I read where the Sunsplash resort is located? Would that be in Linden...



I am not sure.....perhaps Mr T can enlighten us...
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more wonderful insight from Churchy flag

how bout Blankenburg, mo German influence?


...don't forget again that we had Germans who fled the Hitler regime for the South American coasts. My great-grandfather was German, he was a pharmacist who came to Guyana to dispense medicine.



Many Germans including Nazis fled to South America...

There were Germans in South America prior to the first world war...then after the second world war there was another flow of Germans into the continent...

During both wars Germans and their allies were prevented from entering British Guiana...in 1917 two Lutheran pastors were denied entry be cause they had German names....also from 1939 to 1945 Dr.Gigioli an Italian doctor working on the malaria project was restricted to Georgetown...

Your grandfather might have moved there prior to 1914, between 1918 and 1939 or after 1945...just an educational quess...

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more wonderful insight from Churchy flag

how bout Blankenburg, mo German influence?


...don't forget again that we had Germans who fled the Hitler regime for the South American coasts. My great-grandfather was German, he was a pharmacist who came to Guyana to dispense medicine.



Many Germans including Nazis fled to South America...

There were Germans in South America prior to the first world war...then after the second world war there was another flow of Germans into the continent...

During both wars Germans and their allies were prevented from entering British Guiana...in 1917 two Lutheran pastors were denied entry be cause they had German names....also from 1939 to 1945 Dr.Gigioli an Italian doctor working on the malaria project was restricted to Georgetown...

Your grandfather might have moved there prior to 1914, between 1918 and 1939 or after 1945...just an educational quess...

...one that is correct... and he worked mostly on the East Coast not in G/T; and I previously mentioned the Nazis who also feld to South America... many of them however seemed to have setteld in Venezuela or Argentina.
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Welcome Mr. Ambassador. Just be careful with you language since Fingers Amral lil trigger happy with bannin people fuh cussin!
The teacher I knew at Latchmansingh Primary and K.P. Polytechnic Schools was always a gentleman and scholar. Tough luck trying to get him to cuss!! Big Grin Big Grin I have a lil suspicion that you guys strongarmed him to write under his real name in an effort to eliminate the cussings here. Big Grin Big Grin Now only buddy Churchill is left to show his real name. Big Grin Big Grin
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On EBE ~
Naamryk

On WCD ~
Groeneveldt
Edinburgh
Fellowship
Blankenburg
Nouvelle Flanders
Crane
Best


Bk..thanks.. ( didnt rem those..butu know..i did not know about Nouvelle Flanders..where is that?)

btw what is the name of the lil piece of lan where Dr LAXA house was..ie bet leonora and AC..by the bridge...
was trying to rem the name...but couldnt!

is that Groenveldt?
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East Bank essequibo
Hubu
Salem
Parika
Hydronie
Orangestein
Le Destein
Farm
Rudy
Good Hope
Barnwell
Greenwich Park
Philadelphia
Vergenoegen
Tuschen

West Coast Demerara

Zeelugt
De Kinderen
Meten-Meer-Zorg
De Willem
Zeeburg
Uitvlugt
Stewartville
Leonora
Anna Catherina
Cornelia Ida
Hague
Den Amstel
La Jalousie
Windsor Forest
Ruimzight ( ? sp)

missing a few here..

Vreed-en-hoop


On EBE ~
Naamryk

On WCD ~
Groeneveldt
Edinburgh
Fellowship
Blankenburg
Nouvelle Flanders
Crane
Best


Harlem and Pakistan missin
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Bk..thanks.. ( didnt rem those..butu know..i did not know about Nouvelle Flanders..where is that?)

btw what is the name of the lil piece of lan where Dr LAXA house was..ie bet leonora and AC..by the bridge...
was trying to rem the name...but couldnt!

is that Groenveldt?


Nouvelle Flanders is just after Hague going towards Vreed-en-hoop.

Where the doc used to live was Edinburgh, Groeneveldt (pasture is opposite) - these two are among the smallest villages on WCD.

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BK, I'd love a copy of the list you and Raymond are featuring in the article or better yet a copy of the article upon completion. Thanks.
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Nouvelle Flanders is just after Hague going towards Vreed-en-hoop.

Where the doc used to live was Edinburgh, Groeneveldt (pasture is opposite) - these two are among the smallest villages on WCD.


wow ..thanks BK
..i didnt know about Edinburg either
i know about G/veldt being the smallest village
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What do these village names have in common?
Annai
Orealla
Mahaicony (modern spelling)

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What do these village names have in common?
Annai
Orealla
Mahaicony (modern spelling)


...tell us of deviant one... WinkSmile
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Villages in Leguan

Enterprise
Blenheim
Endeavour
Amsterdam
Canefield
Retrieve
Cornelia
Elizabethan
Dauntless
La Bagatelle
Maryville
Belfield
Louisiana
Phoenix
Success
Thierens

Uniform
Dorn Hagg
Richmond Hill

Dont know a few names in 'back part' Leguan


I think one other village after Dorn Hagg was Kingston. Not sure. Big Grin
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Annai
Orealla
Mahaicony (modern spelling)


...tell us of deviant one... WinkSmile


the answer lies in the name of the country. Big Grin

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Ball,

Kingston was also the name of a section in G/town.

In G/Town & Greater G/town are sections named

Werk-en-Rust
Wortmanville
Lemaha/No. Cummingsburg
The Ruimvelts
The housing schemes in Lodge
Albouystown
Tiger Bay
Albertown
Kitty
Campbeville
Bourda
Stabroek
Lacytown
Cummingsburg
Queenstown

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What do these village names have in common?
Annai
Orealla
Mahaicony (modern spelling)


...tell us of deviant one... WinkSmile


the answer lies in the name of the country. Big Grin



...rampant sources of waters... as in the Amerindian nomer??? SmileWink
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Uniform
Dorn Hagg
Richmond Hill

Dont know a few names in 'back part' Leguan


I think one other village after Dorn Hagg was Kingston. Not sure. Big Grin[/QUOTE]

yep i left out Kingston..thanks
dont know the 'order' of the villages in 'back oart'..went ther twice ..wheni was a kid/ teen

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Portuguese and Chinese in Guyana

The Portuguese were among the first indentured workers brought to Guyana. Portuguese indentured immigration began in 1835 and ended in 1882, with most of the immigrants having arrived by the 1860s. Most of the Portuguese came from the North Atlantic island of Madeira.

Economically successful in Guyana, the Portuguese nonetheless experienced discrimination. Even though of European origin, they were treated as socially inferior by the British plantation owners and officials because of their indentured past and Roman Catholic religion. Despite discrimination, by the end of the nineteenth century the Portuguese were firmly established as an important part of Guyana's middle class and commercial sector.

Indentured Chinese workers first came to British Guiana from the south coast of China in 1853. Relatively few in number, the Chinese became the most acculturated of all the descendants of indentured workers. The Chinese language and most Chinese customs, including religion, disappeared. There were no clans or other extended kinship organizations, and soon most Chinese did not trace their ancestry beyond the first immigrant. Because almost all of the Chinese indentured immigrants were men, they tended to intermarry with both East Indians and Africans, and thus the Chinese of Guyana did not remain as physically distinct as other groups.

Like the Portuguese, the Chinese left the plantations as soon as their indenture contracts were fulfilled. Many entered the retail trade. Other Chinese engaged in farming and pioneered wetrice production, using techniques they brought from China. The Chinese tended to live in urban settings.

Source: U.S. Library of Congress

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Where is this? Big Grin

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