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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
A philosophical point: don't mistake love for the prophet and love for God...the quran says If you love God follow me. NOte that the prophet did NOT say, in the Qur'an, love me.
I know this is a difficult pill to swallow..but this apologetic about not getting the quran until one loves the prophet makes Muhammad more than what he was. And the Quran tells us not to do that. The focus is on the Qur'an, not on Muhammad. He was nothing but a man.

Peace Dara, I am not feeling bad. I don't want to continue with the Hadith Topic too.

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Originally posted by imala:

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
A philosophical point: don't mistake love for the prophet and love for God...the quran says If you love God follow me. NOte that the prophet did NOT say, in the Qur'an, love me.
I know this is a difficult pill to swallow..but this apologetic about not getting the quran until one loves the prophet makes Muhammad more than what he was. And the Quran tells us not to do that. The focus is on the Qur'an, not on Muhammad. He was nothing but a man.

Peace Dara, I am not feeling bad. I don't want to continue with the Hadith Topic too.

You ought to leave this topic alone. It's been beaten to death. There are those who are set in their opinions and maybe will never change...Allah (swt) will decide...

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
A philosophical point: don't mistake love for the prophet and love for God...the quran says If you love God follow me. NOte that the prophet did NOT say, in the Qur'an, love me.
I know this is a difficult pill to swallow..but this apologetic about not getting the quran until one loves the prophet makes Muhammad more than what he was. And the Quran tells us not to do that. The focus is on the Qur'an, not on Muhammad. He was nothing but a man.

Like mee and you ???

I hope I am not committing any sin in trying to understand/follow the Sunnah of our holy Prophet(pbuh)

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Originally posted by imala:
One a them "nancy stories" that really blew my mind away, "If a person does not have Allah(SWT) in his/her heart and the great love for Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is not there, that person will never get the message of the Quran and the Hadith.

Who first said this?

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
I hope I am not committing any sin in trying to understand/follow the Sunnah of our holy Prophet(pbuh)

Good point. TRYING. that makes it commendable. But when one tries to prove it despite the mountains of evidence against it, and the Quran being an anti-traditionalist document (polemic against the Jewish/Christian/pre-islamic arab) tradition...then it does become a problem. The Qur'an says, as I have so many time expounded, Produce your proof"..SInce it says that it is the only thing protected, and since we know that hadith is NOT, someone has to prove how hadith feel into the category of protected matter that must be followed. Even when the hadith folk THEMSELVES quote Umar as being opposed. (Philosophically this is the strongest negation of an argument..when you use the interlocutor's own "proof" against him).
But the short story: as long as a Muslim feels s/he is doing good, and keeps it personal, fine. When they try to make the hadith issue one of institutional orthopraxy, then it becomes forbidden by the very Qur'an that hadith claims to explain. "laa yatakhidhu ba'dunaa ba'dan arbaaban"

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
A philosophical point: don't mistake love for the prophet and love for God...the quran says If you love God follow me. NOte that the prophet did NOT say, in the Qur'an, love me.
I know this is a difficult pill to swallow..but this apologetic about not getting the quran until one loves the prophet makes Muhammad more than what he was. And the Quran tells us not to do that. The focus is on the Qur'an, not on Muhammad. He was nothing but a man.

Like mee and you ???

Ai u raas.."you" is spelt with one letta: thus: like mee and u. :-). But the humaness of the prophet is of importance here as distinguished from ours because he is just a messenger of whom the quran says "lasta alayhim bi musaytir."