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Originally posted by André:

First of all, you should be the last to speak after those unwarranted personal insults that you started against me in this thread. http://guyanafriends.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/860604972/m/79910358441/p/2 .

Dre,
Just to clear things up, can you please reread this thread and see that you are the one who brought Islam and muslims into it.

I replied to GTman's post and then you came in with your comments about Islam .As clear as daylite the discussion was about the Pope and GTman made reference to Obama's Priest and out of nowhere you brought in a parallel to the buggering of small boys by Catholic Priests and said it's prevalent in Islam.

I am not complaining when you call me all sorts of deragotary names, I think it's fair when two men are argueing however at the end of the day, when someone shows total disrespect for my Prophet and my God, two things I hold dearer than my life, then we have problems.

The same Prophet that you so love to criticise has taught us to pray for, even our enemies, and as a true follower I will always keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

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Originally posted by Chief:

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Originally posted by André:

First of all, you should be the last to speak after those unwarranted personal insults that you started against me in this thread. http://guyanafriends.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/860604972/m/79910358441/p/2 .

Dre,
Just to clear things up, can you please reread this thread and see that you are the one who brought Islam and muslims into it.

I replied to GTman's post and then you came in with your comments about Islam .As clear as daylite the discussion was about the Pope and GTman made reference to Obama's Priest and out of nowhere you brought in a parallel to the buggering of small boys by Catholic Priests and said it's prevalent in Islam.

I am not complaining when you call me all sorts of deragotary names, I think it's fair when two men are argueing however at the end of the day, when someone shows total disrespect for my Prophet and my God, two things I hold dearer than my life, then we have problems.

The same Prophet that you so love to criticise has taught us to pray for, even our enemies, and as a true follower I will always keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

I know exactly what is on the thread. Is Islam out of bounds from any discussions when it comes to little boys being buggered? Man/boy relationships are just as prevalent in Islamic countries as anywhere else so to me it's on the table whenever these discussions are started. When you highlight the fact that sexual abuse exists in the Christian world you should also be able to debate its existence in the Muslim world. This I showed to you in a civilized manner without any personal insults to you but then you chose to start the vile attacks on me. In case you didn't get it the last forty times I mentioned it - I reserve the right to retaliate whenever personal insults are hurled my way. I'm not complaining when anyone wants to call me any names. It just shows how childish people are when they cannot debate an issue and resort to being a rabid dog or a slimy serpent and start the name calling. It's also a good indication that they have already lost the argument when they start the personal insults first. The problem arise when I hit back in a like manner. You guys cry like little girls trying to pick a fight with a boy. Girlie hits boy first but when boy hits back hard, girlie cries like a baby. I never get mad, I just get even.

Your prophet taught you to pray not me. To me it's a waste of time since it never works. Please do not pray for me. I'd appreciate it a lot more if you did not. Thanks for thinking about it anyway.

So, you're saying that you think of me as an enemy? You are taking this board real serious if that's the case.

Dre,
I
will not go any further AS TO WHO START WHAT, THE THREAD IS THERE FOR ALL TO SEE.

Your linking of the widespread buggery of small boys by Priests from the Catholic Church (which the Pope addressed and admitted) to Islam is not only absurd but proved that you are could clutching at straws just to paint Islam in bad light.

I challenged you to produce any document to prove that in Mosques there are widespread buggery as happened in the Catholic Church.

Personal attacks are hurled at you because of the nonsense you chose to write about muslims and Islam on a constant basis. Again I am asking you to point out who brought in Islam in the discussion about the admitance of the Catholic church of the buggery of little boys.

I never count you or anyone to be an to be an enemy but you have used your poisoned pen in exposing your heart, to constantly attack and demonize a religion that 1.2 billion holds dearly, by doing so you automatically has declared yourself as an enemy.
Finally, yes our Prophet did taught us to pray for everyone and if you can take the time to read some of what Prophet Muhamad (uwbp) taught and left behind , you will realize, the mesage was not only for muslims but for all mankind.

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Originally posted by Chief:
Dre,
I
will not go any further AS TO WHO START WHAT, THE THREAD IS THERE FOR ALL TO SEE.

Your linking of the widespread buggery of small boys by Priests from the Catholic Church (which the Pope addressed and admitted) to Islam is not only absurd but proved that you are could clutching at straws just to paint Islam in bad light.

I challenged you to produce any document to prove that in Mosques there are widespread buggery as happened in the Catholic Church.

Personal attacks are hurled at you because of the nonsense you chose to write about muslims and Islam on a constant basis. Again I am asking you to point out who brought in Islam in the discussion about the admitance of the Catholic church of the buggery of little boys.

I never count you or anyone to be an to be an enemy but you have used your poisoned pen in exposing your heart, to constantly attack and demonize a religion that 1.2 billion holds dearly, by doing so you automatically has declared yourself as an enemy.
Finally, yes our Prophet did taught us to pray for everyone and if you can take the time to read some of what Prophet Muhamad (uwbp) taught and left behind , you will realize, the mesage was not only for muslims but for all mankind.

You want to have a civilized conversation with me then I can can be the nicest enemy you ever had. :-)) You want to insult me then - I don't get mad, I just get even. :-))

Al-Jazeera cameraman freed from Guantanamo

Al-Jazeera cameraman freed from Guantanamo after 6 years By MOHAMED OSMAN, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 59 minutes ago



KHARTOUM, Sudan - An Al-Jazeera cameraman was released from U.S. custody at Guantanamo Bay and returned home to Sudan early Friday after six years of imprisonment that drew worldwide protests.

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Sami al-Haj, who had been on a hunger strike for 16 months, grimaced as he was carried off a U.S. military plane by American personnel in Sudan's capital, Khartoum. He was put on a stretcher and taken straight to a hospital.

Al-Jazeera showed footage of al-Haj being carried into the hospital, looking feeble and with his eyes closed, but smiling. Some of the men surrounding his stretcher were kissing him on the cheek.

"Thank God ... for being free again," he told Al-Jazeera from his hospital bed. "Our eyes have the right to shed tears after we have spent all those years in prison. ... But our joy is not going to be complete until our brothers in Guantanamo Bay are freed," he added.

"The situation is very bad and getting worse day after day," he said of conditions in Guantanamo. He claimed guards prevent Muslims from practicing their religion and reading the Quran.

"Some of our brothers live without clothing," he said.

The U.S. military says it goes to great lengths to respect the religion of detainees, issuing them Qurans, enforcing quiet among guard staff during prayer calls throughout the day. All cells in Guantanamo have an arrow that points toward the holy city of Mecca.

Al-Haj was released along with two other Sudanese from Guantanamo Thursday. He was the only journalist from a major international news organization held at Guantanamo and many of his supporters saw his detention as punishment for a network whose broadcasts angered U.S. officials.

The military alleged he was a courier for a militant Muslim organization, an allegation his lawyers denied.

Al-Haj said he believed he was arrested because of U.S. hostility toward Al-Jazeera and because the media was reporting on U.S. rights violations in Afghanistan.

Al-Haj was detained in December 2001 by Pakistani authorities as he tried to enter Afghanistan to cover the U.S.-led invasion. He was turned over to the U.S. military and taken in January 2002 to Guantanamo Bay, where the United States holds some 275 men suspected of links to al-Qaida and the Taliban, most of them without charges.

Reprieve, the British human rights group that represents 35 Guantanamo prisoners including al-Haj, said Pakistani forces apparently seized al-Haj at the behest of the U.S. authorities who suspected he had interviewed Osama bin Laden.

But that "supposed intelligence" turned out to be false, Reprieve said in a news release.

"This is wonderful news, and long overdue," said Clive Stafford Smith, Reprieve's director, who has represented al-Haj since 2005. "The U.S. administration has never had any reason for holding Mr. Al Haj, and has, instead, spent six years shamelessly attempting to turn him against his employers at Al-Jazeera."

Sudanese officials said al-Haj would not face any charges.

The U.S. Embassy in Khartoum issued a brief statement confirming the detainee transfer with Sudan and saying it appreciated Sudan's cooperation.

Al-Haj's lawyers said the 38-year-old has been on hunger strike since January 2007 to protest conditions and indefinite confinement at the prison.

Attorney Zachary Katznelson of Reprieve, who met al-Haj at Guantanamo on April 11, said he was "emaciated" because of his hunger strike. and had recently been having problems with his liver and kidneys and had blood in his urine.

"Sami is a poster child for everything that is wrong about Guantanamo Bay: No charges, no trial, constantly shifting allegations, brutal treatment, no visits with family, not even a phone call home," Katznelson said Thursday.