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I think that stem from the the notion that muslims thinks its their duty to see other muslims as their brother and dont critique or criticize other muslims.


No, it stems from the notion that every action in a muslim country is attributed to Islamic religion, whereas every action in a Christian country has an excuse. Even Hitler is not considered a Christian anymore.
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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
Again, produce your proof. My quotes from scripture are what they are. Since I have access to the original languages, I am in a position to be an authority...so when a scholar opines differently, I always welcome the debate. I have never seen such debate last long when I am allowed to function without interference from moderators or the like. (I refer not to GNI, but to mosques and chat rooms where the imam or a moderator steps in to edit my stuff).


debates without moderators are rum shop style..... create a process - follow the process - and you will have discipline results.

you used the word or term "mosques" ... other muslims think this is derogatory like the term "mohammadism" ... who is going to argue with you? Other mulims would say the word is masjid.
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No, it stems from the notion that every action in a muslim country is attributed to Islamic religion, whereas every action in a Christian country has an excuse. Even Hitler is not considered a Christian anymore.


where are the muslims voicing that sharia law is not islamic .. that woman should be treated equally in islamic countries?
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Originally posted by André:
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Originally posted by imala:
I don’t think I’ve noticed once where a Muslim on GNI has shown disrespect to another religion.

You seriously need to get either your eyes or your head examined because something is not functioning as it should.
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Originally posted by imala:

I also believe Islam is the true religion, but that is my personal belief. Just like you probably believe Christianity is the true religion. But our beliefs should never be forced on anyone. I cannot stop my 17 yr old from reading the forums, but I also don't want him to get the wrong image of Guyanese people.


would you have the tolerance if someone else say to you that he/her religion is the true one not islam?


Yes I would. Obviously that person doesn't believe Islam is the true religion because he didn't accept Islam. We as Muslims have to tolerate it.
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Originally posted by antabanta:
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Originally posted by André:
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Originally posted by imala:
I don’t think I’ve noticed once where a Muslim on GNI has shown disrespect to another religion.

You seriously need to get either your eyes or your head examined because something is not functioning as it should.
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heheh.. when all else fails...go on the personal...these jokers are the ones who say others speak in derogatory terms...go figure...
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putting evrything that happens in a Muslim country as being a result of Islam.


I think that stem from the the notion that muslims thinks its their duty to see other muslims as their brother and dont critique or criticize other muslims.
Then this board has just proven you wrong. Look at the "fights" Muslims have. What is blatantly evident is that any anything that can even remotely be considered Islam is always goatayed to the max.
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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:

No, it stems from the notion that every action in a muslim country is attributed to Islamic religion, whereas every action in a Christian country has an excuse. Even Hitler is not considered a Christian anymore.

Why SHOULD they say it is not islamic? Why SHOULD they talk about muslim women in Ms. countries..don't we have enough of inequality right here?

where are the muslims voicing that sharia law is not islamic .. that woman should be treated equally in islamic countries?
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peace dara peace .. this topic aint going anywhere.
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Originally posted by antabanta:
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Originally posted by André:
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Originally posted by imala:
I don’t think I’ve noticed once where a Muslim on GNI has shown disrespect to another religion.

You seriously need to get either your eyes or your head examined because something is not functioning as it should.
DITTO!!!!


heheh.. when all else fails...go on the personal...these jokers are the ones who say others speak in derogatory terms...go figure...
Are you saying you agree that muslims have not been disrespectful to other religions?
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peace dara peace .. this topic aint going anywhere.

No need for that...I know where u coming from...so ain't a problem...

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Originally posted by limer:
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Originally posted by antabanta:
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Originally posted by André:
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Originally posted by imala:
I don’t think I’ve noticed once where a Muslim on GNI has shown disrespect to another religion.

You seriously need to get either your eyes or your head examined because something is not functioning as it should.
DITTO!!!!


heheh.. when all else fails...go on the personal...these jokers are the ones who say others speak in derogatory terms...go figure...


Stupid accusations against me need to be addressed in this manner. See the person who started the thread and the biased nonsense they wrote about me. But then again, you're so biased yourself, you'll fail to notice. That's the problem with y'all, you see when I retaliate but you turn a blind eye when I'm being attacked.

There's actually nothing derogatory about what I'm advising imala to do in order to correct a health issue.

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Originally posted by André:
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Originally posted by limer:
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Originally posted by antabanta:
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Originally posted by André:
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Originally posted by imala:
I don’t think I’ve noticed once where a Muslim on GNI has shown disrespect to another religion.

You seriously need to get either your eyes or your head examined because something is not functioning as it should.
DITTO!!!!


heheh.. when all else fails...go on the personal...these jokers are the ones who say others speak in derogatory terms...go figure...


Stupid accusations against me need to be addressed in this manner. See the person who started the thread and the biased nonsense they wrote about me. But then again, you're so biased yourself, you'll fail to notice. That's the problem with y'all, you see when I retaliate but you turn a blind eye when I'm being attacked.

There's actually nothing derogatory about what I'm advising imala to do in order to correct a health issue.


Imala simply pointed out a trend she observed - a trend many here are in agreement with, I might add. I know, no one likes to be known as a hater or a racist, but this is what you come across as - a hate monger and an Islamophobic, only too eager to jump at the slightest opportunity to denigrate Islam and its followers, as evidenced by your perpetual posting of what I conclude to be your favorite picture which you probably have as a screensaver or wallpaper or whatever.

Not that I care, but why don't you post pics of little boys and priests?

You need to show respect - only then you will be shown such.

There are many here who disagree with me on my beliefs - D2 for example - he and I have had long discussions/debates - at no time did he (or I) showed disrespect for each other's belief. Him I respect. You I don't - not that it should matter to you. That's all I have to say to you.

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Originally posted by limer:
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Originally posted by André:
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Originally posted by limer:
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Originally posted by antabanta:
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Originally posted by André:
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Originally posted by imala:
I don’t think I’ve noticed once where a Muslim on GNI has shown disrespect to another religion.

You seriously need to get either your eyes or your head examined because something is not functioning as it should.
DITTO!!!!


heheh.. when all else fails...go on the personal...these jokers are the ones who say others speak in derogatory terms...go figure...


Stupid accusations against me need to be addressed in this manner. See the person who started the thread and the biased nonsense they wrote about me. But then again, you're so biased yourself, you'll fail to notice. That's the problem with y'all, you see when I retaliate but you turn a blind eye when I'm being attacked.

There's actually nothing derogatory about what I'm advising imala to do in order to correct a health issue.


Imala simply pointed out a trend she observed - a trend many here are in agreement with, I might add. I know, no one likes to be known as a hater or a racist, but this is what you come across as - a hate monger and an Islamophobic, only too eager to jump at the slightest opportunity to denigrate Islam and its followers, as evidenced by your perpetual posting of what I conclude to be your favorite picture which you probably have as a screensaver or wallpaper or whatever.

Not that I care, but why don't you post pics of little boys and priests?

You need to show respect - only then you will be shown such.

There are many here who disagree with me on my beliefs - D2 for example - he and I have had long discussions/debates - at no time did he (or I) showed disrespect for each other's belief. Him I respect. You I don't - not that it should matter to you. That's all I have to say to you.


Imala was extremely biased in making her observation. She picked out one of my posts from an entire thread and tried to erroneously cast me as the villian without giving a true analysis of what led up to my post. She turned a blind eye to the rest of nastiness that was posted by your brothers in Islam (which the rest of you are also doing). If you and everyone else want to think of me as a hate monger, then that's your stupid opinion and you are entitled to have it regardless of how biased it is. I also think of a few of the Muslims who post on this site (you included) as religious bigots who think that their religion makes them superior to kufars. You would lie through your teeth and post everything to denigrate all other religions to get your superiority message across. It's always your book is superior, your God is superior, your prophet is superior, your Heaven is superior, your everything is superior. As far as I am concerned, you can all take your superiority and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. In your efforts to demonize me you are making false statements once again. For your info, the times you have seen that picture posted perpetually on this site, it was posted by someone else. drugb is the one who is always in the habit of posting that picture, not me. Do I need to show respect? You must be out of your mind. Respect is earned, not demanded. Do you think I'm going to give humble respect when I'm being called all kinds of nasty names? You have the wrong person. I don't respect you either, so the feeling is mutual. See, many others will come out bluntly and say nasty remarks and demonize other religions. You are like a snake crawling in the dark, just waiting for the opportunity to strike with your sneaky remarks, I have no respect for snakes like you.

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Again, produce your proof. My quotes from scripture are what they are. Since I have access to the original languages, I am in a position to be an authority...so when a scholar opines differently, I always welcome the debate. I have never seen such debate last long when I am allowed to function without interference from moderators or the like. (I refer not to GNI, but to mosques and chat rooms where the imam or a moderator steps in to edit my stuff).


Was it your scholarly authority which recently led you to form the opinion that God had a sexual affair with Mary which resulted in the birth of the Baby Jesus?

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There's actually nothing derogatory about what I'm advising imala to do in order to correct a health issue.


:-)..You are absolutely correct here, nothing derogatory about advising me on some health issues I may have. Now I am finding you funny and you making me laugh :-)
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Again, produce your proof. My quotes from scripture are what they are. Since I have access to the original languages, I am in a position to be an authority...so when a scholar opines differently, I always welcome the debate. I have never seen such debate last long when I am allowed to function without interference from moderators or the like. (I refer not to GNI, but to mosques and chat rooms where the imam or a moderator steps in to edit my stuff).


Was it your scholarly authority which recently led you to form the opinion that God had a sexual affair with Mary which resulted in the birth of the Baby Jesus?

So could you tell me the differnt views in Christianity about the virgin birth episode? The islamic one is rather simple. The various views of christianity (all open to academic discussion)range from having an angel impregnate her, to a zeus like epiphany.
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Again, produce your proof. My quotes from scripture are what they are. Since I have access to the original languages, I am in a position to be an authority...so when a scholar opines differently, I always welcome the debate. I have never seen such debate last long when I am allowed to function without interference from moderators or the like. (I refer not to GNI, but to mosques and chat rooms where the imam or a moderator steps in to edit my stuff).


Was it your scholarly authority which recently led you to form the opinion that God had a sexual affair with Mary which resulted in the birth of the Baby Jesus?


And here we go with misrepresentation> Text without context is pretext. In case ou pretend not to know it, the issue of virgin birth is also in islam, although from a differnt angle. Since you are adducing proof, based on a challenge, then man up and bring the whole thing, so that all can see the vein in which it was intended.
Regardless of what Imala's post was, there is an observation that is proveable by any look at the religion forum..there is a constant attack on anything islamic. And now it is being made to look as if it is the muslims that start it. Some do on rare occasions. But when egregious misquotes are cited etc...then Muslims do respond. Sometimes with diplomacy, sometimes without. but it would behoove you to not simply refer to a thread..bring it up so that if I am indeed in error, I may be shown up.

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Originally posted by André:
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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
Again, produce your proof. My quotes from scripture are what they are. Since I have access to the original languages, I am in a position to be an authority...so when a scholar opines differently, I always welcome the debate. I have never seen such debate last long when I am allowed to function without interference from moderators or the like. (I refer not to GNI, but to mosques and chat rooms where the imam or a moderator steps in to edit my stuff).


Was it your scholarly authority which recently led you to form the opinion that God had a sexual affair with Mary which resulted in the birth of the Baby Jesus?


And here we go with misrepresentation> Text without context is pretext. In case ou pretend not to know it, the issue of virgin birth is also in islam, although from a differnt angle. Since you are adducing proof, based on a challenge, then man up and bring the whole thing, so that all can see the vein in which it was intended.
Regardless of what Imala's post was, there is an observation that is proveable by any look at the religion forum..there is a constant attack on anything islamic. And now it is being made to look as if it is the muslims that start it. Some do on rare occasions. But when egregious misquotes are cited etc...then Muslims do respond. Sometimes with diplomacy, sometimes without. but it would behoove you to not simply refer to a thread..bring it up so that if I am indeed in error, I may be shown up.


I cannot find it or I would produce it. I think the thread was deleted. I know that in the midst of a heated argument with Mr. T you made this statement a little while ago. I'm wondering if this is a scholarly opinion or if this was just something that was said in anger.
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Dre,
Hate destroys the container it's in.

I mean come on, I can understand if only a few muslim GNIers were speaking up about your non stop hate and wicked postings but it is unanimous by every muslim poster that you have certainly gone overboard.
Let me make this clear to you before you start your mad rantings, at no time do I have any bad feelings towards you, it's just that I am alarmed and disgusted at the way you try to demonize a noble religion and it's 1.2 billion followers.
May you have a good nite and hopefully one day you will come to your senses and realize that thier are good and bad in every religion, race and creed.
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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
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Originally posted by André:
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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
Again, produce your proof. My quotes from scripture are what they are. Since I have access to the original languages, I am in a position to be an authority...so when a scholar opines differently, I always welcome the debate. I have never seen such debate last long when I am allowed to function without interference from moderators or the like. (I refer not to GNI, but to mosques and chat rooms where the imam or a moderator steps in to edit my stuff).


Was it your scholarly authority which recently led you to form the opinion that God had a sexual affair with Mary which resulted in the birth of the Baby Jesus?


And here we go with misrepresentation> Text without context is pretext. In case ou pretend not to know it, the issue of virgin birth is also in islam, although from a differnt angle. Since you are adducing proof, based on a challenge, then man up and bring the whole thing, so that all can see the vein in which it was intended.
Regardless of what Imala's post was, there is an observation that is proveable by any look at the religion forum..there is a constant attack on anything islamic. And now it is being made to look as if it is the muslims that start it. Some do on rare occasions. But when egregious misquotes are cited etc...then Muslims do respond. Sometimes with diplomacy, sometimes without. but it would behoove you to not simply refer to a thread..bring it up so that if I am indeed in error, I may be shown up.


I cannot find it or I would produce it. I think the thread was deleted. I know that in the midst of a heated argument with Mr. T you made this statement a little while ago. I'm wondering if this is a scholarly opinion or if this was just something that was said in anger.

I hear you. I do remember something about theotokos. I can't myself remember the exact qoute, but if it involved T you can be assured it was my way of dredging up an exegesis to draw him out further. He does not know his stuff and I bait him by leading to something and then backing it up later with a chruch father view or something similar.
This is besides the point, and I know you are not probing it..but in the early church, the Mary issue was a real thorny one. Both the Xians and the Muslims goatayee the issue with some real nonsensical views. To "defend" her, one set thought she was a hermaphrodite.
For those who are following this issue: my take is that mary was a nazirite, according to the Qur'anic story. WHich was revolutionary for a FEMALE to be a nazirite.
From the biblical story, since the Christian test. is understood basically in english or european langauges, we lose the nuances, but it is a similar narrative...specially consecrated to the worship and service of God, and not allowed to drink, or cut her hair etc. Google the term or check enc. judaica.

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