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Registered:: February 28, 2005

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Originally posted by limer:
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Originally posted by RJD:
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Originally posted by limer:
Seems like ya fit rite in wid the gang...mo powa!
The RJD runs with no gang. I'm a solo act that none of you can spar with successfully. One of your own is pointing out the radical nonsense in what you guys vomit here daily. He now knows what I have maintained for over a year - that islam in guyana is in trouble due to the importation of a radical strain of islam. Eighty three thousand square miles of jungle and the likes of the GNI mullahs bringing gifts to a poor populace compliments of the saudis and iranians. That's all we need to know.

Run along...I am not interested in trading flash cards with you.

look you just need to flash him a bottle of rum and that dose the trick (:(:(:(:

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There must be some sort of unin formed between fundamentalists and the moderate.

moderate islam seems like the only way

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Sunnis Urged to Put Anti-Israel Campaign Above Rift With Shi'ites
Patrick Goodenough
International Editor
(CNSNews.com) - Sunni Muslims around the world are being pressed to take sides in a dispute among scholars over whether a united Islamic front against Israel should take precedence over historical differences with Shi'ites.

The debate is raging in newspaper columns and on Internet sites, with proponents of both positions citing religious edicts (fatwas), scholars' appeals, and Koranic injunctions to bolster their arguments.

Rancor between Sunnis and Shi'ites, whose schism stems from differences over the rightful successor to Mohammed, has existed for centuries and continues to cause bloodshed in Iraq.

Most Arab countries have Sunni majorities - exceptions include Iraq and Bahrain -- but among Lebanon's collection of minorities, Shi'ites are thought to be the biggest. The Hizballah terrorist organization now at war with Israel is a Shi'ite organization, sponsored by predominantly predominantly Shi'ite Iran, as well as by Syria, whose ruling elite are Allawites, an offshoot of Shi'a Islam.

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The scholars also called on Arab and Muslim governments to abandon delusions of peace with Israel.

"We must abide by the fatwa issued by the Muslim scholars who prohibit the recognition of the Zionist state, normalization of relations with it or giving up any inch of the Palestinian land. We should believe in the fact that this criminal enemy does not recognize the rights of others except under the pressures of jihad and resistance."

Terry Ishmael

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Originally posted by krishna:
We should believe in the fact that this criminal enemy does not recognize the rights of others except under the pressures of jihad and resistance."

Is that true?
Well, it happened in South Africa.
If you look at the Palestinian situation, I think it is true also. Babies were born in refugee camps and grew old and died in these same refugee camps in squalor and poverty. There was no attempt to help these people. When Carter pointed this out, he was rebuked. It would appear therefore that these people are forced to use whatever means necessary to be heard. No one is helping them. They have to do it alone.

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By all standards of the modern worldâ€”economic development, literacy, scientific achievementâ€”Muslim civilization, once a mighty enterprise, has fallen low. Many in the Middle East blame a variety of outside forces. But underlying much of the Muslim world's travail may be a simple lack of freedom.

islam must open up. women must be given a bigger role in policies, leadership and even in charge of a mosque.

limer

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Originally posted by krishna:
By all standards of the modern worldâ€”economic development, literacy, scientific achievementâ€”Muslim civilization, once a mighty enterprise, has fallen low. Many in the Middle East blame a variety of outside forces. But underlying much of the Muslim world's travail may be a simple lack of freedom.

islam must open up. women must be given a bigger role in policies, leadership and even in charge of a mosque.

Results come from the Almighty as He (swt)is in control of all. Effort comes from us. If we continue to ignore His commands and direction, we will continue to be humiliated by any who He (swt) gives the upper hand to.

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Originally posted by limer:
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Originally posted by krishna:
By all standards of the modern worldâ€”economic development, literacy, scientific achievementâ€”Muslim civilization, once a mighty enterprise, has fallen low. Many in the Middle East blame a variety of outside forces. But underlying much of the Muslim world's travail may be a simple lack of freedom.

islam must open up. women must be given a bigger role in policies, leadership and even in charge of a mosque.

Results come from the Almighty as He (swt)is in control of all. Effort comes from us. If we continue to ignore His commands and direction, we will continue to be humiliated by any who He (swt) gives the upper hand to.

why the exclusion of half of the believers. women must be welcome with open arms going forward.

Devdas

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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:
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Originally posted by krishna:
We should believe in the fact that this criminal enemy does not recognize the rights of others except under the pressures of jihad and resistance."

Is that true?
Well, it happened in South Africa.
If you look at the Palestinian situation, I think it is true also. Babies were born in refugee camps and grew old and died in these same refugee camps in squalor and poverty. There was no attempt to help these people. When Carter pointed this out, he was rebuked. It would appear therefore that these people are forced to use whatever means necessary to be heard. No one is helping them. They have to do it alone.

Terry, the people who supply the guns, should instead supply butter, no? Why sped monies giving them guns to go fight as oppose to educating them to fight on an intellectual level?

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limer

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Originally posted by krishna:
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Originally posted by limer:
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Originally posted by krishna:
By all standards of the modern worldâ€”economic development, literacy, scientific achievementâ€”Muslim civilization, once a mighty enterprise, has fallen low. Many in the Middle East blame a variety of outside forces. But underlying much of the Muslim world's travail may be a simple lack of freedom.

islam must open up. women must be given a bigger role in policies, leadership and even in charge of a mosque.

Results come from the Almighty as He (swt)is in control of all. Effort comes from us. If we continue to ignore His commands and direction, we will continue to be humiliated by any who He (swt) gives the upper hand to.

why the exclusion of half of the believers. women must be welcome with open arms going forward.

Where did I exclude anyone?

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Originally posted by limer:
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Originally posted by krishna:
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Originally posted by limer:
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Originally posted by krishna:
By all standards of the modern worldâ€”economic development, literacy, scientific achievementâ€”Muslim civilization, once a mighty enterprise, has fallen low. Many in the Middle East blame a variety of outside forces. But underlying much of the Muslim world's travail may be a simple lack of freedom.

islam must open up. women must be given a bigger role in policies, leadership and even in charge of a mosque.

Results come from the Almighty as He (swt)is in control of all. Effort comes from us. If we continue to ignore His commands and direction, we will continue to be humiliated by any who He (swt) gives the upper hand to.

why the exclusion of half of the believers. women must be welcome with open arms going forward.

Where did I exclude anyone?

didnt say u personally did. i am calling for the inclusuion of all the believers.

arent women just as true in their beliefs.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
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Originally posted by limer:
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Originally posted by RJD:
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Originally posted by limer:
Seems like ya fit rite in wid the gang...mo powa!
The RJD runs with no gang. I'm a solo act that none of you can spar with successfully. One of your own is pointing out the radical nonsense in what you guys vomit here daily. He now knows what I have maintained for over a year - that islam in guyana is in trouble due to the importation of a radical strain of islam. Eighty three thousand square miles of jungle and the likes of the GNI mullahs bringing gifts to a poor populace compliments of the saudis and iranians. That's all we need to know.

Run along...I am not interested in trading flash cards with you.

look you just need to flash him a bottle of rum and that dose the trick (:(:(:(:

wah kind of rum u got

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Registered:: February 28, 2005

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Originally posted by krishna:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SuperMike:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by limer:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by RJD:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by limer:

wah kind of rum u got

BUSH

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Originally posted by krishna:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SuperMike:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by limer:
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wah kind of rum u got

i coming we gonna kanck some and listen some tunes

BUSH

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I choose not to respond personally to certain slurs and insults because the error in the first place was mine: a professor of religion should not seek learned discussion with those whose views are clouded by faith. Fortunately for me, I am in the United States where, despite the actions of a miniscule few, this country happens to be a haven where, for the most part, the freedom of speech is something sacred. This does not give me the right to purvey hate on the internet, or to engage in ad-hominem exchanges which say more about the people that sling them rather than those against whom their venom is directed. If anyone wishes to have up-front, honest dialogue with me, with no hidden agenda or malice aforethought, I welcome this. Even if we disagree, at least, I would like to think that we can do so while granting respect to each other. At least we can live, if not in harmony, at least in a coexistence of tolerance.

Khaleel Mohammed.

i will make note of those comments

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Registered:: February 28, 2005

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Originally posted by krishna:
By all standards of the modern worldâ€”economic development, literacy, scientific achievementâ€”Muslim civilization, once a mighty enterprise, has fallen low. Many in the Middle East blame a variety of outside forces. But underlying much of the Muslim world's travail may be a simple lack of freedom.

islam must open up. women must be given a bigger role in policies, leadership and even in charge of a mosque.

Like Krishna issuing a fatwa here... I am appalled by the way you want to dictate the way another group should allow their women folks to be given bigger role bla..bla. but did you ever ponder upon the role of women in some other groups. Letâ€™s try to look at a bigger picture and try to examine the role of women in every religion and not limit this discussion to the women in Islam. Why donâ€™t you examine the Bible and the Hindu scriptures to ascertain how these scriptures stipulate the role of their women and then compare same to those in Islam. This is a very fair request and hope that your research will help us to better understand the role of women as seen by these various religions and to put an end to all speculations as to who should allow what etc.

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I am appalled by the way you want to dictate the way another group should allow their women folks to be given bigger role bla..bla.

I am appalled by the way you want to dictate the way another group should allow their women folks to be given bigger role bla..bla.

ok . i get it. because i am non muslim. u taking umbrage that i have the audacity to challenge INJUSTICE?

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Originally posted by krishna:
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I am appalled by the way you want to dictate the way another group should allow their women folks to be given bigger role bla..bla.

I am appalled by the way you want to dictate the way another group should allow their women folks to be given bigger role bla..bla.

ok . i get it. because i am non muslim. u taking umbrage that i have the audacity to challenge INJUSTICE?

Bro like you didn't read the entire post or wa...wait the bush rum gat yu dizzy ..Listen you can challenge anything you want, that is your prerogative but I never mention any of the above. All I am asking you is not to limit this discussion to the women of Islam but to examine the role of women in all religious background so that we can get a consensus on this issue you started and to compare these roles to that of the women in Islam and to stop speculating on who should do what ..come on Krish..is this not a reasonable way to assess this issue ???

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i am making note of your very fair question

At this time i am adressing the inequities towrds women in islam. maybe u can start a thread on hindi women in hinduism.

At this point i am dealing with the issues addressed on my intial thread

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Bro like you didn't read the entire post or wa...wait the bush rum gat yu dizzy

its going down real good

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Registered:: February 28, 2005

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Originally posted by krishna:
i am making note of your very fair question

At this time i am adressing the inequities towrds women in islam. maybe u can start a thread on hindi women in hinduism.

At this point i am dealing with the issues addressed on my intial thread

Krish can i set the standards or rules in your home ???

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
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Originally posted by krishna:
i am making note of your very fair question

At this time i am adressing the inequities towrds women in islam. maybe u can start a thread on hindi women in hinduism.

At this point i am dealing with the issues addressed on my intial thread

Krish can i set the standards or rules in your home ???

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Registered:: February 28, 2005

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Originally posted by krishna:
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
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Originally posted by krishna:
i am making note of your very fair question

At this time i am adressing the inequities towrds women in islam. maybe u can start a thread on hindi women in hinduism.

At this point i am dealing with the issues addressed on my intial thread

Krish can i set the standards or rules in your home ???

no

Good
For argument sake, if one of the rules of you house is that you can have all your family over to your house but your wife cannot bring her parents in the house who the hell is me to say that this is a form of inequality, even though it can be viewed as such. Do I have that right to assume this?
And if your neighbor practices this same rule in his home can you sat that he is practicing inequality too ???

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limer

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At this time i am adressing the inequities towrds women in islam.

Bro, I am going to say it yet again...doan confuse what Muslims do with Islam. While I will be the first to admit that many Muslims (and non-Muslims for that matter) treat their women in a manner that would be considered unfairly in today's society, this does not mean that Islam is the force behind it.

For instance, take a look at the thread on Social about the Girl Offered as Bride to settle a debt - the debt was a result of gambling - an act prohibited by Islam.

Mem and women complement each other in societal duties and are equally responsible to their Creator for their duties towards Him.

If you truly seek to understand, then this may help...
Gender Equity

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
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Originally posted by krishna:
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
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Originally posted by krishna:
i am making note of your very fair question

At this time i am adressing the inequities towrds women in islam. maybe u can start a thread on hindi women in hinduism.

At this point i am dealing with the issues addressed on my intial thread

Krish can i set the standards or rules in your home ???

no

Good
For argument sake, if one of the rules of you house is that you can have all your family over to your house but your wife cannot bring her parents in the house who the hell is me to say that this is a form of inequality, even though it can be viewed as such. Do I have that right to assume this?
And if your neighbor practices this same rule in his home can you sat that he is practicing inequality too ???

mike,
if u see injustice. and u do nothing then u are just as gulity as the one commiiting the injustice.

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Registered:: February 28, 2005

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Originally posted by krishna:
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
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Originally posted by krishna:
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
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Originally posted by krishna:
i am making note of your very fair question

At this time i am adressing the inequities towrds women in islam. maybe u can start a thread on hindi women in hinduism.

At this point i am dealing with the issues addressed on my intial thread

Krish can i set the standards or rules in your home ???

no

Good
For argument sake, if one of the rules of you house is that you can have all your family over to your house but your wife cannot bring her parents in the house who the hell is me to say that this is a form of inequality, even though it can be viewed as such. Do I have that right to assume this?
And if your neighbor practices this same rule in his home can you sat that he is practicing inequality too ???

mike,
if u see injustice. and u do nothing then u are just as gulity as the one commiiting the injustice.

I hear you but just don't limit your "speaking out " to the women in Islam...Like Bro Limer..it's something that affects women accross the board so let's tackle the problem in it's entirety.I think is very fair.

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lets focus rite now on the issue at hand. do u just want to push it under the rug.

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lets focus rite now on the issue at hand. do u just want to push it under the rug.

Krish..you made your point and so did so many others here...We saw so many discussions on this topic and you and I know that it's focus was always on the Muslim women..all i am asking is that you do some research on th erole of women of other groups.Why do i sense some reluctance here..what are you afraid that you might uncover information that can come back to haunt you ???

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raymond

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all i am asking is that you do some research on th erole of women of other groups.

what other religion (as interpreted by Saudis) prohibit their women from driving...?

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