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<krishna>
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Chief and Krisha: let's get one thing straight. If you coem to me speech, fight all you want. But know one thing: I get first look at all de gyurls. When I on stage, rememba, I looking at the crowd. Yo just listening, figgering out what to come with to argue. But I looking.
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Originally posted by krishna:
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Originally posted by Chief:
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Originally posted by krishna:
i am going to be an islamic scholar(not to become a believer) but to be scolarly and iteelectually in the know since muslims are now dominating worls news.


GNI already has one.lol
2 is a crowd, GNI too small.


will u go to his lecture in new yiork. i will to challenge him . it will be interesting.


Bannas you are a closet muslim and if you going, I man comming.
I ain't allowing you for eye up all dem sisters lol


me gat 4 eyes. i am entitled to 4. so i will be looking
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But in saudi we used to be wutless and say that there is no time limit for de fust gaze. If anyone of yu go to Mecca or de middle east, check out what de sudanese does use...a scent for newly weds..it drives you crazy...supposedly aphrodisiac. Somalians have it too. Ask them bout it. But don't use it in public Krishan udderwise I going have to jump you.
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Chief and Krisha: let's get one thing straight. If you coem to me speech, fight all you want. But know one thing: I get first look at all de gyurls. When I on stage, rememba, I looking at the crowd. Yo just listening, figgering out what to come with to argue. But I looking.


Only one look is allowed after that you have to lower your gaze.
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But in saudi we used to be wutless and say that there is no time limit for de fust gaze.

Believe me Bro Khal, I does say the same thing.
May Almighty Allah forgive us all,
Have a goodnite, Iam out of here.
<Reds>
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But in saudi we used to be wutless and say that there is no time limit for de fust gaze.


if you friken you God you goan make the time limit.
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Chief and Krisha: let's get one thing straight. If you coem to me speech, fight all you want. But know one thing: I get first look at all de gyurls. When I on stage, rememba, I looking at the crowd. Yo just listening, figgering out what to come with to argue. But I looking.


Only one look is allowed after that you have to lower your gaze.

I hope he knows this..or should i say he sould know this.
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Pray for your father
pray for your mother
Pray for your sister
pray for your brother

Pray for every teen
pray for every little child
Pray for the youth
who seem to've gone wild

Pray for every city
pray for every state
Pray this very day
before it's too late

Pray for all nations
pray for the Middle East
Pray for your enemies
and those you like least

Pray for the sick
for the hungry and in need
Just lift your voice to God
and you'll be blessed indeed
ksazma
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Krishna, why you come fi hutt up my head with these verses that are so easy for some, but hard fur oddas? The verse CANNOT be read on its own. Look at the preceding veres. Muhammd is speaking to his FELLOW ARABS to whom he felt specially sent since they were from the loins of Ishmael. So after telling them about what they ought to believe..he then tells them..i.e. THE ARABS...for we cannot again read the verse in isolation..that if any ARAB does not acept this belief AMONG THEM (ad nauseam again..THE ARABS OF HIS AREA), then he will have given up hope for a nice hereafter. Again..focus on words. When one says "whomever"..is it EVERYBADI or the group who is being addressed? Only a donkey would assume it is all badi and not the direct addressees. We knwo who they are because M is addressing a. his contemporaries. b. in arabic. c. he is using arabized names for them. . Notice even the latest translations do not translate the last stanze of 3.84 as MUSLIMS but says "we have submitted." ...when the word is muslimeen. Once again pointing out that a word is used in lexical and terminological senses .I know this is boring for some of us, but you all rass brought it out. I don't normally speak to people so pedantically, but you have your bunch of knowitalls who try to find issues of difference in interpretation in the implied nonsense that theirs is correct although they don't have a leg to stand on.


WOW. End of my participation here.
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Originally posted by khaleel:
Krishna, why you come fi hutt up my head with these verses that are so easy for some, but hard fur oddas? The verse CANNOT be read on its own. Look at the preceding veres. Muhammd is speaking to his FELLOW ARABS to whom he felt specially sent since they were from the loins of Ishmael. So after telling them about what they ought to believe..he then tells them..i.e. THE ARABS...for we cannot again read the verse in isolation..that if any ARAB does not acept this belief AMONG THEM (ad nauseam again..THE ARABS OF HIS AREA), then he will have given up hope for a nice hereafter. Again..focus on words. When one says "whomever"..is it EVERYBADI or the group who is being addressed? Only a donkey would assume it is all badi and not the direct addressees. We knwo who they are because M is addressing a. his contemporaries. b. in arabic. c. he is using arabized names for them. . Notice even the latest translations do not translate the last stanze of 3.84 as MUSLIMS but says "we have submitted." ...when the word is muslimeen. Once again pointing out that a word is used in lexical and terminological senses .I know this is boring for some of us, but you all rass brought it out. I don't normally speak to people so pedantically, but you have your bunch of knowitalls who try to find issues of difference in interpretation in the implied nonsense that theirs is correct although they don't have a leg to stand on.


WOW. End of my participation here.



Looks like you being accuse of being a Know It All by a...a...a Know It All. ;)
I guess that's better than being accused of being a donkey...oh wait, too late.
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Originally posted by krishna:
Pray for your father
pray for your mother
Pray for your sister
pray for your brother

Pray for every teen
pray for every little child
Pray for the youth
who seem to've gone wild

Pray for every city
pray for every state
Pray this very day
before it's too late

Pray for all nations
pray for the Middle East
Pray for your enemies
and those you like least

Pray for the sick
for the hungry and in need
Just lift your voice to God
and you'll be blessed indeed


Also Pray for Khaleel.
ksazma
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Jihad - The literal meaning of Jihad is struggle or effort, and it means much more than holy war.


Jihad does not even mean holy war.
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Originally posted by krishna:
Jihad - The literal meaning of Jihad is struggle or effort, and it means much more than holy war.


Jihad does not even mean holy war.


let's direct this question to our Guyanese Scholar...Bro Khaleel please shine some light on this very troubling subject...let's hear from the experts..the Scholar.Thanks
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Originally posted by krishna:
Jihad - The literal meaning of Jihad is struggle or effort, and it means much more than holy war.


Jihad does not even mean holy war.


thank you.
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Originally posted by ksazma:
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Originally posted by krishna:
Jihad - The literal meaning of Jihad is struggle or effort, and it means much more than holy war.


Jihad does not even mean holy war.


let's direct this question to our Guyanese Scholar...Bro Khaleel please shine some light on this very troubling subject...let's hear from the experts..the Scholar.Thanks


Then why the man berate me on my handle and say I should be deemed a national securitu risk.
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Then why the man berate me on my handle and say I should be deemed a national securitu risk.


He was pointing out its connotation. I personally wouldn't associate myself with the word jihad either. Its islamic significance is great but some of our brothers and sisters have misused it and now it is really known only for all the wrong reasons.
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Then why the man berate me on my handle and say I should be deemed a national securitu risk.


He was pointing out its connotation. I personally wouldn't associate myself with the word jihad either. Its islamic significance is great but some of our brothers and sisters have misused it and now it is really known only for all the wrong reasons.


Bhai what about Jihad ul Naffs ???
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Then why the man berate me on my handle and say I should be deemed a national securitu risk.


He was pointing out its connotation. I personally wouldn't associate myself with the word jihad either. Its islamic significance is great but some of our brothers and sisters have misused it and now it is really known only for all the wrong reasons.


Bhai what about Jihad ul Naffs ???


We dont stop using it because people misuse it.

Da is the reason I use it as my handle.
<RJD>
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Originally posted by limer:
Knowledge sometimes make one humble and others arogant. Clearly we see proof of this in the pages and pages of nonsense here.

Knowledge has no benefit to the human without taqwa. The tone of the posts of our resident 'scholar' exudes arogance. He makes fun of the Sahaabas (ra) and Rasulullah (saw).
See some example below...
Yet you guys continue...

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Becasue when I say Muhammad I don't say salabangbangbang


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...but tell me, don't you find it irritating when you are speaking to one of my coreligionists and s/he says "Hamza (raddddaaaaddaa) reported that Abu Bakr (radddaaadaa) said that he heard Omar (radaang) say that he heard the Prophet (salababan) say that...


The theme is quite similar to another resident Islam basher. How ironic.
Thanks for pointing that out. At least I use POOBAH. Rolls off the tongue easier than radaaang and salabangbangbang. You guys are freaks. Here you are slandering people but upbraiding those who refuse to say POOBAH after your prophet's name. Talk about small minded!

And what the hell does it matter if one says poobah or salabangbangbang anyway?. Ain't the prophet dead and allegedly in heaven? If he is then he's got all the peace he can get but you all are ready to strike a dagger into someone for omitting salabangbangbang or poobah.

Oh, looks like Reds likes the salabangbangbang. No comment from her thus far. poobah to all of you.
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The word initially means effort. Later idiots took it to mean holy war. This is a non-Muslim imposition on the arabic trying to liken it to the christian concept of bellum justum...just war, or the jewish milchemet mitzvah..holy war. But what the word actually means, and what later warriors imposed on it is problematic. good book from a traditionally trained person (who would take exception to some of my positions) is Louay Safi who wrote a book called Peace and the Limits of War. It is only about 10.00 and is an excellent read for both the scholar and non-scholar.
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Oy ve! Looks like some peeple can dish it out but can't take it. Okay Mr. disgruntled, I should not have mentioned that you are a risk to national security.
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
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Originally posted by ksazma:
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Originally posted by krishna:
Jihad - The literal meaning of Jihad is struggle or effort, and it means much more than holy war.


Jihad does not even mean holy war.


let's direct this question to our Guyanese Scholar...Bro Khaleel please shine some light on this very troubling subject...let's hear from the experts..the Scholar.Thanks


Then why the man berate me on my handle and say I should be deemed a national securitu risk.
<krishna>
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i see on tv. abu abbass, declaring a juhad . what about that.
<Reds>
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h, looks like Reds likes the salabangbangbang. No comment from her thus far.


i never said i approve of it..
<krishna>
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Harakat al-Jihad al-Islami al-Filastini, better known as Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), was formed in 1979 by Islamic fundamentalist Fathi Shaqaqi and other radical Palestinian students in Egypt who had split from the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood in the Gaza Strip whom they deemed too moderate. The 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran influenced the group's founder, Shaqaqi, who believed the liberation of Palestine would unite the Arab and Muslim world into a single great Islamic state. Today, PIJ is committed to the creation of an Islamic Palestinian state and the destruction of Israel through a jihad (holy war).
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Originally posted by khaleel:
The word initially means effort. Later idiots took it to mean holy war. This is a non-Muslim imposition on the arabic trying to liken it to the christian concept of bellum justum...just war, or the jewish milchemet mitzvah..holy war. But what the word actually means, and what later warriors imposed on it is problematic. good book from a traditionally trained person (who would take exception to some of my positions) is Louay Safi who wrote a book called Peace and the Limits of War. It is only about 10.00 and is an excellent read for both the scholar and non-scholar.



Koran sura 9: Repentance
41 March ye then, light and heavy, and fight [jāhidū] strenuously with your wealth and persons in God’s way; that is better for you if ye did but know!

Muslim law has divided the world into two entities, dar al-islam, the abode of Islam, and dar al-harb, the abode of war. Battling against the Abode of war was a duty for a Muslim, as this is the only way for the peace of Islam to take the place of the warlike conditions of the infidels' society. Jihad can be both defence, as well as attacking an enemy.
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Again: this is the interpretation forced upon it. remember I said that 'later warriors'. Once the religion was established as a state religion AFTER MUHAMMAD's death..the Muslims waged war. the dar al islam dar al harb concept came AFTER and scholars now debunk it. It is similar to the metamorphosis of Christianity from a peaceful cult into the warlike Holy Roman Empire of Constantine.
The diff is that most Christians today can accept certain things of their bloody history. Most Musliims seek to cover. I, as a Musilm, state the from the day Muhammad died, the people started fighting between themselves. It has never stopped. And the scripture is just there..rather than follow it, they refract its meanings by "hadith"....and the sayings of the tenth century alims...men who were politicians of their time.
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Not denying that "jahidu" here could mean fight. But the word for fight is qatilu. Why not use Qatilu? Because the idea is that of a struggle for survival against the belligerent polytheists who were bent on exterminating the Muslims. Every religion, with the possible exception of Jainism, allows fighting in self defense. Chapter 9 is about this...and to tell the polytheists, that in the war to the end, started by the polytheists, that they would be left alone if they left the Abrahamic holy places, or went elsewhere. And to the Muslism, it is to tell them not to be faint hearted.
The madness you got in the second sentence can only have come from a site like 'answering islam' or some place like that. An argument in religion must be constructed on truthful statements, not prevarication designed to provoke. NO JURIST HAS EVER SAID, NO VERSE HAS EVER SAID, that the duty of battle against he abode of war was an onus on every Muslim. And this madness is propagated by some who wish to deny the bloody history of Xity and other religions.
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Originally posted by khaleel:
The word initially means effort. Later idiots took it to mean holy war. This is a non-Muslim imposition on the arabic trying to liken it to the christian concept of bellum justum...just war, or the jewish milchemet mitzvah..holy war. But what the word actually means, and what later warriors imposed on it is problematic. good book from a traditionally trained person (who would take exception to some of my positions) is Louay Safi who wrote a book called Peace and the Limits of War. It is only about 10.00 and is an excellent read for both the scholar and non-scholar.



Koran sura 9: Repentance
41 March ye then, light and heavy, and fight [jāhidū] strenuously with your wealth and persons in God’s way; that is better for you if ye did but know!

Muslim law has divided the world into two entities, dar al-islam, the abode of Islam, and dar al-harb, the abode of war. Battling against the Abode of war was a duty for a Muslim, as this is the only way for the peace of Islam to take the place of the warlike conditions of the infidels' society. Jihad can be both defence, as well as attacking an enemy.[/QUOTE]
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Originally posted by limer:
Knowledge sometimes make one humble and others arogant. Clearly we see proof of this in the pages and pages of nonsense here.

Knowledge has no benefit to the human without taqwa. The tone of the posts of our resident 'scholar' exudes arogance. He makes fun of the Sahaabas (ra) and Rasulullah (saw).
See some example below...
Yet you guys continue...

quote:
Becasue when I say Muhammad I don't say salabangbangbang


quote:
...but tell me, don't you find it irritating when you are speaking to one of my coreligionists and s/he says "Hamza (raddddaaaaddaa) reported that Abu Bakr (radddaaadaa) said that he heard Omar (radaang) say that he heard the Prophet (salababan) say that...


The theme is quite similar to another resident Islam basher. How ironic.
Thanks for pointing that out. At least I use POOBAH. Rolls off the tongue easier than radaaang and salabangbangbang. You guys are freaks. Here you are slandering people but upbraiding those who refuse to say POOBAH after your prophet's name. Talk about small minded!

And what the hell does it matter if one says poobah or salabangbangbang anyway?. Ain't the prophet dead and allegedly in heaven? If he is then he's got all the peace he can get but you all are ready to strike a dagger into someone for omitting salabangbangbang or poobah.

Oh, looks like Reds likes the salabangbangbang. No comment from her thus far. poobah to all of you.


Seems like ya fit rite in wid the gang...mo powa!
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Seems like ya fit rite in wid the gang...mo powa!
The RJD runs with no gang. I'm a solo act that none of you can spar with successfully. One of your own is pointing out the radical nonsense in what you guys vomit here daily. He now knows what I have maintained for over a year - that islam in guyana is in trouble due to the importation of a radical strain of islam. Eighty three thousand square miles of jungle and the likes of the GNI mullahs bringing gifts to a poor populace compliments of the saudis and iranians. That's all we need to know.
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