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Senior Member Registered:: February 28, 2005
Posts: 10238
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Bro Khaleel...quick..in a nut shell...covering the head of the female is not necessary rite.
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Senior Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
Posts: 11371
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Sorry...can't understand you....I speak English. Is that a question or a sarcastic jab? I assume you know that when Zeinab stood up to address the Kufans she had no khimar?
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Executive Member Location: Long Island
Registered:: March 27, 2001
Posts: 35668
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Allow the man to enjoy himself nah, the man is a scholar. |
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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
Posts: 2591
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This is total nonsense. I will refrain from giving my personal views and give the views of the scholars. Here is what Abdel Haleem had to say in his introduction about the misinterpretation of this verse: One further cause for misinterpretatin is the lack of awareness of the different meanings of a given term in different contexts. Thus, for example , in Dawoods Translation (Penguins Classics): "He that chooses a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted for him in the world to come, he will be one of the lost."(3:85) it has to be borne in mind that the world islam in the arabic of the quran means complete devotion/submission to God, unmixed withworkship of any other. All earlier prophets are thus described by the Quran as muslim. Those who read this word islam in the sense of the religion of the Prophet Muhammad will set up a barrier, illegitimately based on this verse, between Islam and other monotheistic religions. Ibn Kathir also collaborates this meaning stating that the word islam here refers to the belief in one supreme being. Now, this is a far cry from saying that this verse only address, the people surrounding Muhammad. |
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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
Posts: 2591
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Now, lets look at Abdel Haleems translation of verse 84 and 85:
Say [Muhammad], 'We[Muslims] believe in God and in what has bee sent down to us and to Abraham, Ishmeal, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes. We believe in what has been given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make a distinction between any of the [prophets]. It is to Him that we devote ourselves.' If anyone seeks a religion other than [islam] complete devotion to God, it will not be accepted from him: he will be one of the losers in the Hereafter. |
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Executive Member Location: Long Island
Registered:: March 27, 2001
Posts: 35668
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The man said when he goes to Guyana and a sister asked him for a gown he does get vex. Khaleel why your grandmother used to wear Urni and long clothes? |
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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
Posts: 2591
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The man is a pervert. How you think I remember him so well. I saw him at his sisters wedding and one man wanted to pelt he rass with one botttle becasue all he had in his mouth was foulness (and he was the imam for the wedding). He never misses an oppertunity to insult the prophet (saw) and muslims. |
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Senior Member Registered:: February 28, 2005
Posts: 10238
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I am so sorry Bro Khaleel but as a Scholar you MUST realize that everyone is not gifted (like you) with knowledge and not everyone can master the art of expressing themselves in a Scholastic manner so please tolerate me as I try my best to articulate my questions to the best of my ability. Never the less you are free to bring same to my attention when ever my questions are too vague or you cannot understand what I intended to ask. Thanks Bro ,Insha Allah(swt) I hope we can eventually get on the same page as we continue our ever so informative discussions. Ok let me make another attempt to articulate exactly what I meant. My question was..Is it compulsory for Muslim women to cover their head (Kimar) |
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Executive Member Location: Long Island
Registered:: March 27, 2001
Posts: 35668
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Wow, if that is so let's make dua for the brother. In my lifetime I have seen many like Khaleel and unfortunately they have gone down a road of no return and Abu only last week you mentioned ABOUT one of them from Toronto. After Allah my rasool(PBUH) is my life and Ihave no apologies for that. |
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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
Posts: 2591
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Salam chief, you wouldnt believe it but the day before this fellas name appeared on this board I was having a discussion with a friend about brother Shaf and guess what, my friend mentiond this guys name saying that Corintin is another contraversal figure just like our brother Shaf. You also made a brilliant point about the Rasool (pbuh) being second only to Allah. If we analyze these two gentlemen we will find one thing in common, that is their total disrespect for the messenger of Allah (pbuh). Once this obvious trait is uncovered it becomes aboundatly clear that Quran and Sunnah cannot be split into two entities like these men are trying to do. Disprespect of the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) only leads to arrogance. |
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Executive Member Location: Long Island
Registered:: March 27, 2001
Posts: 35668
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On this matter we are on the same page Bro Abu.
The likes of Bros Shaf and Khaleel will come and go but the glorious tachings from our Rasool(pbuh) will remain until the end of time. |
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Member Registered:: August 04, 2005
Posts: 2865
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Knowledge sometimes make one humble and others arogant. Clearly we see proof of this in the pages and pages of nonsense here.
Knowledge has no benefit to the human without taqwa. The tone of the posts of our resident 'scholar' exudes arogance. He makes fun of the Sahaabas (ra) and Rasulullah (saw). See some example below... Yet you guys continue...
The theme is quite similar to another resident Islam basher. How ironic. |
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Executive Member Location: Long Island
Registered:: March 27, 2001
Posts: 35668
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Bro Limer,
Have you noticed who are his biggest admirers and supporters? |
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Member Registered:: August 04, 2005
Posts: 2865
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I am not surprised - at all. After all, they are looking for justification of there way of life. |
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Member Registered:: August 04, 2005
Posts: 2865
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I don't debate. The man stated his belief (and he studied a lot from what he says) and he is welcome to it. I will not engage in any type of 'discussion' with those who show such disrespect to Rasulullah (saw). I hope you don't find that refreshing as was indicated by some others. |
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Senior Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
Posts: 11371
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Ah great scholar! Note that the word "islam" is in brackets, not that the final phrase of the sentence is not translated as Muslims...And so Abdul Haleem who talks about Muslim and muslim, about Islam and islam (note the upper and lower case) is wrong.
I wonder..did you also read the book I suggested? I forget..you are a self made scholar. Tell me, don't you know that ALL SCHOLARS say that the Q explains itself? And that verses cannot be read on their own. When you read a book do you take a single paragraph or do you seek to have the entire text in order to fully comprehend? Brother, in order to learn, you have to realize that you don't know. Go back to the early thread and see that you just confirmed by quoting abdul haleem that there is a diff between MUSLIM and muslim. Is it that only academics see that and all else can't? I hate to think so.
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with that me gone and cook some food
peace out! |
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Senior Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
Posts: 11371
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Yes, my embodiment of islamic values. I know you. Now it comes out...from the beginning, I figured out that you are a disgruntled person from an in-law source. I refuse to have anybody speak for my sister and as for foul..does the Q talk about sex? oopss....shouldn't go there should i> YOu persist in these personal attacks. Now I am a pervert? Perhaps. Please,don't bring out the guyanese in me, because I am arrogant about my command of insults and YOu can't even begin to think of how i could make you look stupid. I have already done so....perhaps you are jealous you did not get to play a role at my sister's wedding. But that is besides the point..I don't see how that has to do with my academic views on anything. You accuse me of foul mouthedness and then tell the world that your prophet whom you claim to love dicked a nine year old? Ouch. I is nasty boy...don't spare an opportunity to bash islam? i bash the islam of you and your unholy alliance of satanic demons...and I will do so until the day I die. You are those "among them are illiterates not knowing the Book except through whim and wishes...woe be unto them...
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Senior Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
Posts: 11371
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Because she was a woman of her time. Why don't you wear a thawb and loongi and go to work? Why don't you ride a camel? Did your prophet drive? use a subway? A new word for you' RATIOCINATION. check it out, apply it to the quran. The head covering was for a reason that no longer applies. Don't even go there...check it out yourself...and I say that because I know the ploy.
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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
Posts: 2591
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They were muslims weather its big M or small m. This is exactly what I said earlier and you call me a liar. End of discussion, you take it the way you see it and I will take it the way I see it. |
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Senior Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
Posts: 11371
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Not if the society has laws that do not require her to make a statement of morality by her dress.
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Senior Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
Posts: 11371
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