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Originally posted by limer:

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Originally posted by Petal29:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by limer:
Speaking of intolerance, I think that this reply should be to ICIP - though you might see different.

Feel free to copy the post and address it to ICIP if you so wish. Did you also see where I mentioned that “he replied to you in kind.”

The first post in this thread was discussing a specific topic which was how a woman should be covered according to Nasir’s view of Islam. ICIP then poses a question based on said post and you respond and he posts another response again related to the first post asking you if you got his point whereby you CHOSE to bring in stone worshipping as you are often wont to do when you are surrounded by issues for which you may or may not have an answer. I do not know your reasoning for doing such but I am merely pointing out that you are displaying your biases against other religions, especially Hinduism while failing to defend what you believe in (here I’m assuming you believe what Nasir’s argument espouses). Take a lesson from ksazma and defend what you believe in and why you believe in it without resorting to attacking Hinduism.

My statement was that I find Hinduism illogical...and I do. How do you interpret this as attacking Hinduism is beyond me.

And how come you don't you get upset with ICIP for his continuous barage against Islam? No, you don't have to answer that.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
Nuff respect to Nasir.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
Nuff respect to Nasir.

I am not surprised that you chose to respect a misogynist who defends his hate on grounds it is directed by God

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by limer:
My friend, you made a statement that these stones/idols - whatever you want to call them - is in the Kaaba...I'm simply setting the record straight...that there is none.

The black stone is still there.

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Originally posted by limer:
It does not represent God...

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Originally posted by limer:

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Originally posted by limer:

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Originally posted by Petal29:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by limer:
Speaking of intolerance, I think that this reply should be to ICIP - though you might see different.

Feel free to copy the post and address it to ICIP if you so wish. Did you also see where I mentioned that “he replied to you in kind.”

The first post in this thread was discussing a specific topic which was how a woman should be covered according to Nasir’s view of Islam. ICIP then poses a question based on said post and you respond and he posts another response again related to the first post asking you if you got his point whereby you CHOSE to bring in stone worshipping as you are often wont to do when you are surrounded by issues for which you may or may not have an answer. I do not know your reasoning for doing such but I am merely pointing out that you are displaying your biases against other religions, especially Hinduism while failing to defend what you believe in (here I’m assuming you believe what Nasir’s argument espouses). Take a lesson from ksazma and defend what you believe in and why you believe in it without resorting to attacking Hinduism.

My statement was that I find Hinduism illogical...and I do. How do you interpret this as attacking Hinduism is beyond me.

And how come you don't you get upset with ICIP for his continuous barage against Islam? No, you don't have to answer that.

If you find it illogical, it means you are attacking its founding suppositions. There is nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately, I do not believe you truly know that are its premises.

I have on numerous occasions confronted ICIP and others on Islam, Christianity, Buddhism,Atheism etc as I see fit. I do not need anyone picking the time or the instance when I chose to take a stand.

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Originally posted by limer:
It does not represent God...

This is propaganda!

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Originally posted by limer:
These stones were used as idols. You can play with words if you like. There are no such "stones" in the Kaaba...

Limer: FYI

Kaaba, Caaba
General Information
Kaaba is the central shrine of Islam, a cube-shaped, one-room stone structure in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. It already attracted pilgrimages as the most important sanctuary (haram) in pre-Muslim Arabia, and the traditional belief that it was built by Abraham and Ishmael (to whom the Arabs trace their descent) was confirmed by the Qur'an (Koran). The annual pilgrimage to the Kaaba takes place in the first ten days of Dhu al-Hijja, the last lunar month of the Islamic calendar. The Black Stone set on the outside of one corner of the structure is solemnly kissed by all pilgrims who can gain access to it. Lesser pilgrimages are performed throughout the year.

For Muslims, the Kaaba is the "House of God," where the divine touches the mundane. It is washed annually and covered with a dark silk cloth. The Kaaba has been greatly expanded since Muhammad's times, a mosque-court having been built around it; recently a gate of solid gold was added.

Fazlur Rahman

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I fail to see the relevance...what's your point?

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The black stone is a meteorite. Actually there are two meteorites (stones) built into the walls. These are not worshipped but these stones hold great significance, and that's why they were used as corner stones. The stones were never worshipped by the pagans. The pre-islamic pagans had their own gods.
Kissing the stone is a custom; people kiss the walls, the gates, the ground. It has no religious significance. You are not required to kiss any stones at the Hajj.

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Originally posted by limer:
My friend, you made a statement that these stones/idols - whatever you want to call them - is in the Kaaba...I'm simply setting the record straight...that there is none.

The black stone is still there.

It does not represent God...

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Originally posted by limer:


I was not addressing you in this reply...
I disagree with your conclusions regarding concluding that something illogical is synonymous with attacking it...

Actually, I find your statement rather illogical...

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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:
The black stone is a meteorite. Actually there are two meteorites (stones) built into the walls. These are not worshipped but these stones hold great significance, and that's why they were used as corner stones. The stones were never worshipped by the pagans. The pre-islamic pagans had their own gods.
Kissing the stone is a custom; people kiss the walls, the gates, the ground. It has no religious significance. You are not required to kiss any stones at the Hajj.

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How come? Yu not feeling well today? (:-))

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I am not saying anything ...lol

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Originally posted by limer:


I was not addressing you in this reply...
I disagree with your conclusions regarding concluding that something illogical is synonymous with attacking it...

Actually, I find your statement rather illogical...

You cannot buldoze the load bearing beams of a structure and insist you do not mean for it to fall. If you say Hinduism ( for whatever reason if you actually can articulate them) is illogical, you not only attacked its foundation but called its adherents followers of the absurd.

What you find to be the case and what it is are different things in this instance.

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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:
The black stone is a meteorite. Actually there are two meteorites (stones) built into the walls. These are not worshipped but these stones hold great significance, and that's why they were used as corner stones. The stones were never worshipped by the pagans. The pre-islamic pagans had their own gods.
Kissing the stone is a custom; people kiss the walls, the gates, the ground. It has no religious significance. You are not required to kiss any stones at the Hajj.

Stones inclusive of the black one were worshiped by the pagans.