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Executive Member Location: NY
Registered:: February 25, 1999
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Respect is not insisting that the showing of faces or hands may drive you to rape;that is nonsense. Show me from the texts where dress is prescribed beyond the wording of modest. That is taken to perverse extreme with what is stated above by that mam presuming to source his ideas in the word. |
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Executive Member Location: NY
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why dont they throw Hubal and his wives al Manat et al that still resides in the Kabba? Hinduism does not worship stones. While Islam does not use symbols others do and there should not be any confusing the symbolism and the intent. The intent is clear because if you believe in any of the two main strands of the philosophy, neither say god resides in stones. What should be illogical to you is to speak before first contemplating the truth of what you speak about. In any event, the idea that one is driven to perversion on seeing a woman's face hands or even legs is atrocious and should not be implanted in our society ad religious dictum since that is itself a lie and it never was a tradition among Urdu speaking Muslims. |
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Elite Member Location: Homeless in New York, Lil ABC dropout!
Registered:: March 22, 1999
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Just curious:
Why is it I have never seen a bare breasted miniskirted, navel revealing woman in court? I keep checking every time I go to court, but no luck! (:-)) |
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Executive Member Location: NY
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Source the "teachings" for us. |
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Elite Member Location: Homeless in New York, Lil ABC dropout!
Registered:: March 22, 1999
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how much legs? (:-) |
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Senior Member Location: Every action is judged by intention - Muhammad
Registered:: April 04, 2005
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When I know Mujtaba back in the 80's, he was very flighty and not very sound of mind. Maybe he was educated since or maybe he got the general secretary position since his educated brother, Mansoor has/had much influence or maybe Guyana is now operating with the bottom feeders. These guys have to speak about the good that Muslims did 1400 years ago because unfortunately there is not much good of more recent times to talk about. Muslims men are too with sex and sexuality. Again we observe that there is not much objective discussion given here by Muslims. There is always that need to bury the real problems facing the Muslim community. But those are not important. As long as we ensure that our women folk are fully covered all is well.
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Senior Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
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I keep harping on the fact that as long as we had our own bunch of scholars, things were okay. Now we have people from foreign countries, not even arabs trying to arabize the damn place. Ah think we should arrange a GNI invasion...hopefully we will get backing from Dubya or Putin.
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Member Registered:: August 04, 2005
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Huh?? Come on, D2, I expect you of all to know at least this much. There are absolutely no idols in the Kaaba. |
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Executive Member Location: NY
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You may not like it but those were the names of the stones in the pre Islam era. I never said there were idols. The lingham is not an idol but a symbol supposedly representing Shiva. Even if idols exist as they do in most other religions including Christianity, it is clear they are not the object of worship |
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Executive Member Location: NY
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the point is that a man may be tempted but he does not rely on the tempter ( temptress in this case) for his moral core or to resist evil. |
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Knows the ropes Member Registered:: February 10, 2006
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Why go half way around world for backing just go next door and see that chap name Chaves. |
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Member Registered:: August 04, 2005
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It is not a question of whether I like it or not. I know the history - I know that these were idols of pre-Islamic era . The key word is PRE-Islamic. Islam came and abolish them - but you know that. My reply to was to set the record straight about your misstatement regarding idols in the Kaaba today - there are none. |
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Executive Member Location: NY
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I think you are arguing against your own invention. I never used the word idol. I said "stones". If you can so avidly defend your view of these stones, how come it is so "illogical" that others can call their stones symbols of reverence to channel their religious rituals? |
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Member Registered:: August 04, 2005
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These stones were used as idols. You can play with words if you like. There are no such "stones" in the Kaaba... |
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Member Registered:: March 21, 2007
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Limer: FYI Kaaba, Caaba General Information Kaaba is the central shrine of Islam, a cube-shaped, one-room stone structure in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. It already attracted pilgrimages as the most important sanctuary (haram) in pre-Muslim Arabia, and the traditional belief that it was built by Abraham and Ishmael (to whom the Arabs trace their descent) was confirmed by the Qur'an (Koran). The annual pilgrimage to the Kaaba takes place in the first ten days of Dhu al-Hijja, the last lunar month of the Islamic calendar. The Black Stone set on the outside of one corner of the structure is solemnly kissed by all pilgrims who can gain access to it. Lesser pilgrimages are performed throughout the year. For Muslims, the Kaaba is the "House of God," where the divine touches the mundane. It is washed annually and covered with a dark silk cloth. The Kaaba has been greatly expanded since Muhammad's times, a mosque-court having been built around it; recently a gate of solid gold was added. Fazlur Rahman |
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Executive Member Location: NY
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It is clear no one really ever worship a stone. Even the Kabba stones or pre Islamic era were representatives of divinities. If you chose to believe others worship stones then the reverence paid to the black stone in Islam ought to be questionable by similar lines of reasoning. As far as any can tell it was part of the pantheon of stones worshiped in Pre islamic times and is directly related to Al Manat and Hubal from historical sources. While I am clear it is no longer worshiped in the same way, one cannot lampoon another for stones as part of religious rites when one still has a stone as integral to ones own religious rites and claim special significance for it. This is practiced hypocrisy of many religious people. Their religious rites always is the right way and the divine way and all others recite satanic verses and worship false gods. |
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Member Registered:: August 04, 2005
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My friend, you made a statement that these stones/idols - whatever you want to call them - is in the Kaaba...I'm simply setting the record straight...that there is none.
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Knows the ropes Member Registered:: April 25, 2004
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Feel free to copy the post and address it to ICIP if you so wish. Did you also see where I mentioned that “he replied to you in kind.†The first post in this thread was discussing a specific topic which was how a woman should be covered according to Nasir’s view of Islam. ICIP then poses a question based on said post and you respond and he posts another response again related to the first post asking you if you got his point whereby you CHOSE to bring in stone worshipping as you are often wont to do when you are surrounded by issues for which you may or may not have an answer. I do not know your reasoning for doing such but I am merely pointing out that you are displaying your biases against other religions, especially Hinduism while failing to defend what you believe in (here I’m assuming you believe what Nasir’s argument espouses). Take a lesson from ksazma and defend what you believe in and why you believe in it without resorting to attacking Hinduism. |
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Member Registered:: August 04, 2005
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My statement was that I find Hinduism illogical...and I do. How do you interpret this as attacking Hinduism? And how come you don't you get upset with ICIP for his continuous barage against Islam? No, you don't have to answer that. |
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Member Registered:: August 04, 2005
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My statement was that I find Hinduism illogical...and I do. How do you interpret this as attacking Hinduism is beyond me. And how come you don't you get upset with ICIP for his continuous barage against Islam? No, you don't have to answer that. |
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Executive Member Location: home
Registered:: March 22, 2001
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it's not ah stone..is ah rock...lol...
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Executive Member Location: home
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lots of people without common sense find other religions crazy while ignoring how crazy their own religion looks
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Executive Member Location: NY
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