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I have seen nuns eyeing me before.

They are always looking for converts or should I say turncoats.

One time in the escalator at Grand Central I was running up the moving staircase and bump into a nun butt. The woman let out a big scream and nearly jump off the escalator! I dash outa there fast before the police show up:D

Maybe she experienced some "funny" feelings she never did before...

Comments on Amina Chaudhury's letter


http://www.stabroeknews.com/letters/letter-heaps-scorn-on-the-victims-of-rape/

Satish on August 7th, 2008 7:12 am

Amina Chaudhury has written an excellent, factual and hard hitting comment on the plight of women.
The days when men subjugated women because men had the power to trash women are long gone and good riddance too!

In these modern days where brute force is no longer important, we can see that in nearly all fields (except where brute strength is required), women are generally superior to men.
Yet because of their innate compassion, women still allow men to rule the roost.
Or as the old saying goes..
Women allow men to THINK that the man rules the roost.

Discrimination against women exists even in the richer countries where women are not likely to get promotion beyond a certain grade of work.

It is good therefore to read Amina Chaudhury’s eloquent defence of the fairer sex.



Alli on August 7th, 2008 10:22 am

Ms. Amina is on the money in her rebuttal to Mujtaba Nasir asinine comment about women’s dress being the cause of the fairer sex getting raped. Mujtaba should focus on the way men in Islam have been treating their women with scorn and disdain in the Middle East and other Asian Islamic countries even those who are in burkas are not spared many have been subjected to rapes. He should look at the cases in Afghanistan where the tablibans have committed some of the most heinous crimes against women all in the name of Islam. That should teach the wannabe Arab Mujtaba a lesson on women in Islam.

Mujtaba seems that he just return from Saudi Arabia where women are not allowed to leave their home without being escorted by a male relative and they have to be covered in burka (this sends a clear message that men in Islamic countries cannot be trusted they are too leacherous and have only one thing on their minds). Well Nasir fail to see around him that he is living in Guyana where the Muslims are not Arabs and at no time in the history of Indo-Guyanese arrival in Guyana were the women ever wearing burkas. Mujtaba wake up and smell the coffee you are LIVING IN GUYANA, if you don’t like it then you can always move to Saudi Arabia.

I'd like to extend the same invitation to the Jihadists who live in America :=))

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Discrimination against women exists even in the richer countries where women are not likely to get promotion beyond a certain grade of work.

Nah, only in burka clad countries! :-)
Richer countries are evolved enough to allow the women to walk naked. Check out Dubai beach! When will the guyanese women become evolved and walk naked on 63 beach? Tell me so I could book meh passage quick before Delta raise the fare! :-))

No 63 Beach is an Islamic beach(wink)
So book your ticket and go to Dubai.

Power to Mr. Nasir..big it up bro....nuff respect.

While I have made a half assed effort to stay away from posts like these, here goes.
1. The sheik is shaky...but not because of his individuality...rather because his position sadly reflects the majority institutional feeling in Islam.
2. And this is where a fundamental problem of Islam comes in..or rather the understanding of Islam, since the religion is one thing, the interpretation another. Of course, this statement, while acceptable to Muslims, for all its apparent logic, has weaknesses. For a religion,after all, is what its followers make of it.
3. I am referring to a cogent observation made by Fazlur Rahman..on I think p. 39 of his "Islam"..wherein the only claim that the Qur'an makes for itself is that of INIMITABILITY, never one of IMMUTABILITY.
4. The shake however has confused the two...and so the law for the time of revelation has somehow gotten confused with eternal law.
5. He has forgotten that the Q clearly states WHY Muslim women were asked to dress a certain way at a certain time.
6. As LImer points out...there is a dress code for men as well, but hypocrites or chauvinists that the male creatures are, they only look at the adherence by the women.
7. Andre: Your points are all right..but in Saudi, the women DO work. Have lived there, They are lawyers, doctors, nurses, teachers, doctors. Of course, all of these are middle-upper class professions where they carefully decide who will mix with whom. THey are not in the blue collar jobs. But even if they were totally free, in Saudi, the culture would not allow NATIVES to do such work. THe men generally do NOT do blue collar work. The reason I bring up this point is to show that while there is discrimination, we have to be careful NOT to exaggerate the issue otherwise it gives the fundies a point to rebut and refute, and confuse the issue further.
8. Sartoriality..especially concerning women..is a control issue in the hands of men. And women have played into it. Proof that the control issue has become so screwed up: ask a muslim woman why she covers and she will give you a host of answers, paramount among them, the supposed wish to retain her image as person and not sexual object. For argument's sake, let us accept that premise. For the Qur'an hints at it. But then, when she prays to God in private, she also covers her head. WHY? Does the Q not tell her in front of whom she is supposed to observe such dress (forget my argument about temporality)? And was God's name among those?
The issue: we are focusing too much on dress, and this imagined geography of east and west. The best garment is that of piety...let us examine a person for actions, nor by dress.
Some of the vilest persons I have met are those who wear the nun's cloister, the muslim jilbab....and the best are those who are scantily clad. Not that this means anything...I do not wish to demean those Muslim women who observe hijab out of a sincere desire to come closer to God (in their perception)...that is commendable...but let us not judge those who choose not to.
9. ALmost forgot..donkey shake said the women wear the burqa by choice and that a husband cannot force a wife to do so. This is absolute bullshit. Some cases, perhaps, and those in the US. But in Afghan', and solely to cover for possible errors, I would wager my last dollar that given the choice, out of every 1o women, at least 7 would argue that they would go without burqa, but for the fear of being beaten by husbands and male relatives if they don't. Had the shake stuck to fundamentalist arguments, I would have refuted, but still respected him. But when he LIED..he gave up the privelege of being respected.

[b]Mujtaba seems that he just return from Saudi Arabia where women are not allowed to leave their home without being escorted by a male relative and they have to be covered in burka (this sends a clear message that men in Islamic countries cannot be trusted they are too leacherous and have only one thing on their minds:=))[/QUOTE]
Excellent point that these idiots don't seem to get..when a woman gives those reasons...she does not realise she is saying the man is a lecher. The Q points out "those in whose hearts there is sickness."
Do u guys know that in some parts of the Muslim Middle east, women will answer the knock at the door by disguishing the voice? They place a cup over the mouth and speak in a harsh manner to dissuade the lecher. Geez...how does a man feel when he is treated as such? He has a right to ask what kind of God is this that created us to be deemed as lechers.
I say this not to demean the religion I practise...but to expose the nonsense of some of its followers' formulations that are mired in medievalism and chauvinism. The sad part is that a lot of women become aiders and abettors of such nonsense.
Notice that a lot of these shiekhs still can't answer why, for all their piety, the reports by filipina maids of rapes and sexual battery in Saudi Arabia top the gulf region. One would assume that with all their piety etc, there woudl be no such reports....Sorry..this is a sore point with me...those bastards RAPE the maids...and if they make the idiotic claim that most filipinas are game, they have no excuse regarding their coreligionist INDONESIANS...one finds it difficult to write without foul language when describing those vile, rich devils in the gulf countries who prey on females....this is why Indira Gandhi refused to let Indian women go to the gulf as maids....

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Originally posted by Chief:
Radical Islam?
Nasir just restated what Islam teaches....respect for women.

Oy Chief: when last you bin back? There are good Muslms in Guyana...many of the sistas wear hijab out of good faith...but there is a rising radical element, being taught by dankees from south africa etc. I met burqa'ed women when I last went.
Now u and I know that in Guyana, our Muslim women, wearing romal, no romal, hijab, no hijab, like the rest of our Guyanese womenfolk, run the gamut from righteousness to rambunctiousness. But we have NEVER had the need to wear the burqa...which by the way makes a good cover for a bank robber.

Before we take hard and fast positions on ANYTHING...nah..lemme put this on a new thread.

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Originally posted by limer:
What does it matter to you?

There is no debate here..just obsession...Why do you worship a stone? You ever see me getting on your case fuh this? It is THE MOST illogical thing to me...

I see you getting on his case about it right now. Why is it that you can't reply to ICIP, the individual, without resorting to attempt to insult an entire religion.

I also notice that when he responds in kind you revert to your usual silly response of Bush etc. etc. etc.

If you have a point to make, please do so but your need to attack other religions instead of defending yours signifies your level of intolerance.



I don't have time to read letters but in reference to the topic, while I'm all for modesty in dress, it is relative. We have all been programmed to think that certain modes of dress are modest and that is all there is to it; pure brainwashing.

There is a tribe in Africa where the women go topless and if you ask the community there, there would be no question about the womens' modesty. There are also Amerindians who do the same.

The issue of modesty is relative and it all boils down to how we have been taught to think and how we have been taught to think about women's bodies, mainly as objects of pleasure and not as much else.

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There is a tribe in Africa where the women go topless

Also in Suriname .
Up to this day the women from the Djuka tribe still walk bare breasted.

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Originally posted by Chief:

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There is a tribe in Africa where the women go topless

Also in Suriname .
Up to this day the women from the Djuka tribe still walk bare breasted.

infidels!!!!

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Originally posted by ICIP:
infidels!!!!

You try deh, you will be dead meat if you want to mess with Dhukas.

Chief are you scared of their hexes and spells.?

Chief only fear God.

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Originally posted by Chief:
Chief only fear God.

How come you frighten God? Is she a monster or something? Shouldn't god be your best pal?

Chief frighten cause he ah sinner..hahaha

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Originally posted by DaFreak:
Dear Editor,
.....
Complete Article in SN

this Imam is among those that do Islam a bad name.

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Originally posted by D2:

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Originally posted by DaFreak:
Dear Editor,
.....
Complete Article in SN

this Imam is among those that do Islam a bad name.

did yuh notice SupaMike agreed wid he :)

Sorry to goatay this thing heah..but as chaudry pionts out..notice that de man put "al haj" as if is some sign of education. Tell me, all de companions of the prophet did haj, did they have that title? I know, I know....
but just to show where the mistake lies...Mujtaba makes some points that are anachronistic...I think Tabari's tafsir of the verses 33:59, 24:31 are available on line. Perhaps TI or Limer or Kaz can access it and put it....in the days of the prophet, the women dressed a particular way that meant, according to pre islamic religoin, when the breasts were exposed, they were ready for sex play and to be sex toys. Hencej covering had a certain message. Now, even if a woman walks naked, no man can touch her and be within the protection of the law.
Of course one might ask: what about a muslim woman who wants to cover up? That is fine, and she is to be commended based on her spirituality, her intention. the same way a nun is to be congratulated for, having taken a vow to be the bride of christ, she is showing that she has taken herself away from soceity, hence the wearing of the "habit"...the diff is that the nun does not seek to impose her way on everyone, and instead declares her unique status by that habit. Some purdah women can be really judgmental. Happily, the ones I met in VA were open and did not judge...to the best of my knowledge....

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Originally posted by Chief:

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There is a tribe in Africa where the women go topless

Also in Suriname .
Up to this day the women from the Djuka tribe still walk bare breasted.

Maybe them a walk bare breasted so they can get jooked?
BTW: In Southern Philippines, SOME Muslim women go about bare breasted as part of the CUSTOM. Now it has changed..because of Saudi Influence, but most people KNOW that the moro muslims...u dohn't mess with them...and for all the barebreastedness, there were no reports of raping going on. Same for many African muslims. The only rapes rass dat happen is when dese arabised idiots from the JHanjavids or whatever u call them rape the DInka muslim women....
BTW: many of the dinkas are muslims....

http://www.stabroeknews.com/letters/rape-is-not-an-issu...ir-wrongly-suggests/

Rape is not an issue of Western clothing as Mr Nasir wrongly suggests

Dear Editor,
Al Haj Mujtaba Nasir declared in his letter captioned “Western clothes dehumanize women into sex objects” (08.08.05) “I fail completely to see the connection between orphaned and maimed Muslim children in Iraq and Afghanistan and homosexuality. Even several leaps of the imagination fail to establish a connection.” He then challenged me to elaborate.
Well, Mr. Nasir need not overtax his imagination. Here’s the direct link to the homosexuality he is looking for.

This week, a United Nations special representative for children told reporters that sexual violence against young boys is a problem in the Islamic State of Afghanistan. In what is known as “bacha-bazi” — or “child’s play” — little boys are forced to dress in female attire, dance and perform sexual acts.
The UN representative added, “I can’t think of any country in the world in which child