Now we getting into different terriroty. IT is a woman's right to say bad things about she maan, not matta if him be an angel. I learnt that in divorce court. Just hope you never go there. NO ethics, no morals. Lies for some justifies the end....
Neva bother you head about what she says to frennos. CHeck out some Eddie Murphy videos and you will see what he thinks about wifey's frennos. Listen to de maan. He is an alim on womanology.

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
Now we getting into different terriroty. IT is a woman's right to say bad things about she maan, not matta if him be an angel. I learnt that in divorce court. Just hope you never go there. NO ethics, no morals. Lies for some justifies the end....
Neva bother you head about what she says to frennos. CHeck out some Eddie Murphy videos and you will see what he thinks about wifey's frennos. Listen to de maan. He is an alim on womanology.

MEE TO.

MEE TO.[/QUOTE]
:-).

From the ahadith that Dre posted, it looks like the mother of the believers did not understand her role.

It didn't take much for Jim Jones to convince those people to drink the kool aid.

Known my wife for 23 years going on 24 and never hit her. Not even to have to say "a mekkin joke".

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Originally posted by ksazma:
From the ahadith that Dre posted, it looks like the mother of the believers did not understand her role.

It didn't take much for Jim Jones to convince those people to drink the kool aid.

Known my wife for 23 years going on 24 and never hit her. Not even to have to say "a mekkin joke".

Keep running around like a turkey and don't present any real proof of this lame position to chose to follow....in total contrary to what the Quran instructs.Go ahead and change the word to fit your life and don't worry to change your life to fit the word.

So has this now become a personal attack on me?

I am gone from this thread.

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Originally posted by ksazma:
So has this now become a personal attack on me?

who da cap fit.....let dem wear it....If you are one of those who are prepared to disobey the instructions of almighty Allah then yes. If you are one of those who will try to interpret the scriptures to fit your personal life then yes. Let your conscience be your guide, Allah know what is in the heart of all .

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Originally posted by ksazma:
At one time the Qur'an also suggest that one can drink alcohol but not pray after doing so. Then it said do not drink at all. So which one you would take? Use the same for this.

And I am not pushing anything down your mouth. If you wish to bludgeon your wife by all means do so. I wouldn't agree with you but my opinion is only for me.

So are you saying that the Quran contradicts itself? You are turning out to be such a fool in discussing this issue.

Leave the man. He is afraid of his wife. Maybe he takes a few beers now an again! :))

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
dinna on me..so juss ley me noo wen U in my neck of da woods Dara.:)

Thanks bai. Read the post again though..if u serious about not figuring it out, I will p.m. u on it.
WHile u at it, see if you get a book "ethics of disagreement in Islam" by Taha alalwani. About 8$. THis has nothing to do with this thread...it just is a nice book that I think we all should have. Indeed any book by Dr. Taha. If u know (Imam) Fyzee from Washington D.C., he might even be able to get it free for you.

I know him a little...I think i will be going to his Masjid for Jummah come next year...It's a bit far from my job but i will be closer come Jan.He is in Silver spring not DC. Attended one Eid Sallah with him..wonderful brother.[/QUOTE]
U right..silver springs. Fyzee is cool...when I first came back and he did not know me..but thru my cousins and his runnings with them,we were sort of uncool. Now de man is me faambly by marriage somehow (thru the ohabs from fyrish and me sissy).

Saudi divorces wife for watching male TV host: Report

Agencies
Posted online: Saturday , September 29, 2007 at 12:00:00
Updated: Saturday , September 29, 2007 at 07:58:06

Riyadh, September 29: A Saudi man divorced his wife for watching alone a television programme presented by a male, an act he deemed immoral.

The man ended his marriage on the grounds his wife was effectively alone with an unrelated man, which is forbidden under the strict Islamic law enforced in the ultra-conservative kingdom, the Al Shams newspaper reported on Saturday.

Men in Saudi Arabia have the authority to divorce their wives without resort to the courts.

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Saudi-divorces-...-host-Report/222620/

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Originally posted by Aragorn:
Saudi divorces wife for watching male TV host: Report

Agencies
Posted online: Saturday , September 29, 2007 at 12:00:00
Updated: Saturday , September 29, 2007 at 07:58:06

Riyadh, September 29: A Saudi man divorced his wife for watching alone a television programme presented by a male, an act he deemed immoral.

The man ended his marriage on the grounds his wife was effectively alone with an unrelated man, which is forbidden under the strict Islamic law enforced in the ultra-conservative kingdom, the Al Shams newspaper reported on Saturday.

Men in Saudi Arabia have the authority to divorce their wives without resort to the courts.

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Saudi-divorces-...-host-Report/222620/

Argy: it is also forbidden for a woman to travel alone in a taxi..as it constitutes being alone with a male. Them bwoys crazy over there.
WHen i was there, even greeting an unrelated female could get you a seven day jail sentence.

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
dinna on me..so juss ley me noo wen U in my neck of da woods Dara.:)

Thanks bai. Read the post again though..if u serious about not figuring it out, I will p.m. u on it.
WHile u at it, see if you get a book "ethics of disagreement in Islam" by Taha alalwani. About 8$. THis has nothing to do with this thread...it just is a nice book that I think we all should have. Indeed any book by Dr. Taha. If u know (Imam) Fyzee from Washington D.C., he might even be able to get it free for you.

I know him a little...I think i will be going to his Masjid for Jummah come next year...It's a bit far from my job but i will be closer come Jan.He is in Silver spring not DC. Attended one Eid Sallah with him..wonderful brother.

U right..silver springs. Fyzee is cool...when I first came back and he did not know me..but thru my cousins and his runnings with them,we were sort of uncool. Now de man is me faambly by marriage somehow (thru the ohabs from fyrish and me sissy).[/QUOTE]

let me know whenever you are in town OK.

Sure. Thanks. If you going up to Silver springs, then instead of bugging fyzee, let him show you where the IIIT place is in herndon (40 minutes) and get stuff from them.

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
Sure. Thanks. If you going up to Silver springs, then instead of bugging fyzee, let him show you where the IIIT place is in herndon (40 minutes) and get stuff from them.

Will do..Dara I don't want to confuse my mind now by feeding too much information into my shallow brain. I am taking it easy and try to learn as I go and most of all practice what I learn. I am striving to be a Muslim and to follow the correct way. I know almighty Allah will guide those who seek his guidance; I am not perfect and am constantly striving towards perfecting this deen.

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Originally posted by Aragorn:
Saudi divorces wife for watching male TV host: Report

Agencies
Posted online: Saturday , September 29, 2007 at 12:00:00
Updated: Saturday , September 29, 2007 at 07:58:06

Riyadh, September 29: A Saudi man divorced his wife for watching alone a television programme presented by a male, an act he deemed immoral.

The man ended his marriage on the grounds his wife was effectively alone with an unrelated man, which is forbidden under the strict Islamic law enforced in the ultra-conservative kingdom, the Al Shams newspaper reported on Saturday.

Men in Saudi Arabia have the authority to divorce their wives without resort to the courts.

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Saudi-divorces-...-host-Report/222620/

Saudi men are latent homos. They don't like women. They prefer to hug up men.

Will do..Dara I don't want to confuse my mind now by feeding too much information into my shallow brain. I am taking it easy and try to learn as I go and most of all practice what I learn. I am striving to be a Muslim and to follow the correct way. I know almighty Allah will guide those who seek his guidance; I am not perfect and am constantly striving towards perfecting this deen.[/QUOTE]
We all are. I suggested dem books because they are not based on any strong culturalism, but just easy going common sense. I think Fyzee got some connexions with them. But since you bring that up..remember the deen is as you make it...you are judged for your intention so as long as you are cool with what you do spiritually, then like those of us who feel the same way....even though praxis my be different...we got hope. I said praxis. Don't think I seh something else now.

The guy who wrote this hadith is describing how Abu Bakr slapped Aisha and at the same time he says that Allah is still pleased with him. I guess Allah condones this kind of behavior since he is pleased.


http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/m...09.smt.html#009.3506

Book 009, Number 3506:
Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) came and sought permission to see Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). He found people sitting at his door and none amongst them had been granted permission, but it was granted to Abu Bakr and he went in. Then came 'Umar and he sought permission and it was granted to him, and he found Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) sitting sad and silent with his wives around him. He (Hadrat 'Umar) said: I would say something which would make the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) laugh, so he said: Messenger of Allah, I wish you had seen (the treatment meted out to) the daughter of Khadija when you asked me some money, and I got up and slapped her on her neck. Allah's Messenger (mav peace be upon him) laughed and said: They are around me as you see, asking for extra money. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) then got up went to 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) and slapped her on the neck, and 'Umar stood up before Hafsa and slapped her saying: You ask Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) which he does not possess. They said: By Allah, we do not ask Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) for anything he does not possess. Then he withdrew from them for a month or for twenty-nine days. Then this verse was revealed to him:" Prophet: Say to thy wives... for a mighty reward" (xxxiii. 28). He then went first to 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) and said: I want to propound something to you, 'A'isha, but wish no hasty reply before you consult your parents. She said: Messenger of Allah, what is that? He (the Holy Prophet) recited to her the verse, whereupon she said: Is it about you that I should consult my parents, Messenger of Allah? Nay, I choose Allah, His Messenger, and the Last Abode; but I ask you not to tell any of your wives what I have said He replied: Not one of them will ask me without my informing her. God did not send me to be harsh, or cause harm, but He has sent me to teach and make things easy.

Andre: u r reading into the nonsense what is not there. "Allah be pleased with him" is an invocation that many Muslims say after the mention of one of the Companions...it is a supplication and wish rather than an indication of God actually being pleased. The hadith is being taken to show that the two men love the apostle so much that they would beat their daughters. What the hadith further shows is an inconsistency with normal protocol of meeting the prophet and his wives...forget what the jist of the hadith itself is...it would be impossible for AB to enter upon the prophet when he is with the rest of his wives as they are grown women, the "mothers of the believers" and not his relatives. If it be argued that this instance occured probably before the revelation of the verse to which I refer, then it would still have been problematic. IN terms of its ethics..a clear macho arab image comes forth that must cause, for any beleiving muslim, a really problematic image of the Prophet if they accept this narrative...he supposedly finds it amusing when Umar says what he supposedly says?
WHere is the amr b'il ma'ruf and nahy an'il munkar here?

But yes, the invocation after the name, after recounting this sort of story does make one wonder about the philosophy and ethics of the narrators...one might find them in the gallery of misogyny...

The hadith the Andre rightly quoted is akin to those stories that say "Muawiya (May Allah be pleased with him) ordered that Ali and his sons (may Allab be pleased with them) be cursed from the mimbars on the Friday prayers.

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
Will do..Dara I don't want to confuse my mind now by feeding too much information into my shallow brain. I am taking it easy and try to learn as I go and most of all practice what I learn. I am striving to be a Muslim and to follow the correct way. I know almighty Allah will guide those who seek his guidance; I am not perfect and am constantly striving towards perfecting this deen.

We all are. I suggested dem books because they are not based on any strong culturalism, but just easy going common sense. I think Fyzee got some connexions with them. But since you bring that up..remember the deen is as you make it...you are judged for your intention so as long as you are cool with what you do spiritually, then like those of us who feel the same way....even though praxis my be different...we got hope. I said praxis. Don't think I seh something else now.[/QUOTE]
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Please I don't want you to think that I am not or will not read books of this nature; it’s just that I am focusing on selected material that I deem most important to strengthen my Imman. I am trying to establish a solid foundation in the essential aspects of this noble religion before I decide to branch out onto the other areas. We see folks mastering the art of reading and understanding this deen but when it comes to practicing, it’s appalling. I still didn’t even start scratching the surface of Islam, but I am honestly trying to do all I can to save myself and my family from the fitna of this dunnyah, daajal, grave and hell fire. When ever I feel that my faith is fully grounded in Islam I will move on to exploring the other avenues. This discussion presents a perfect example as to what I am trying to tell you. At this very fragile period of my Islam/ Imman should I be too much worried about if wife beating is permissible or should I be scared of not performing my obligatory prayers.Yu catch ma drift?

I get u...dat's cool. Don't forget though that, especially based on where you live, the lifestyle here etc...Q2: 177.
Laysa al birra

SM; based on what you just said, not that you need them, but they are good for reading anyway, Muhammad Asad has some books: the road to mecca, and islam at the crossroads. Check them out. THis is the guy whose QUr'an trans. the CAIR is now giving out. It is the best bound copy i have seen in a while. Them boys got a good sponsor there.