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Originally posted by ksazma:
However, we cannot deny that we are all being Arabized. We dress arabic, eat arabic (no polourie or patato balls anymore for iftaar, only some dates and something to drink) And on top of that, they sell you the dates at twice the normal price because it is Saudi dates. We even speak English with an Arabic accent although we have always spoken English normally. I could hardly understand the eid khutbah this year although it was done by a Guyanese who has not been to Saudi except for hajj. Are we going to deny these influences?

SPEAK THE TRUTH EVEN IF IT IS AGAINST YOU OR YOUR KIN.

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Originally posted by ksazma:
However, we cannot deny that we are all being Arabized. We dress arabic, eat arabic (no polourie or patato balls anymore for iftaar, only some dates and something to drink) And on top of that, they sell you the dates at twice the normal price because it is Saudi dates. We even speak English with an Arabic accent although we have always spoken English normally. I could hardly understand the eid khutbah this year although it was done by a Guyanese who has not been to Saudi except for hajj. Are we going to deny these influences?

SPEAK THE TRUTH EVEN IF IT IS AGAINST YOU OR YOUR KIN.

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Originally posted by limer:

Better to be Arabized than Christianized...

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Originally posted by asj:

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The interpretation you have produced is one that apologists for Islam come with..i.e. to show that we don't condone wife beating,

Dara, Thanks for your response, I am trying to get an understanding of your writings and reasoning but I am getting lost somewhere along the lines, am I to understand that the apologist is trying to defend 4:34 which should be undefendable?

I can understand the Saudi line of thinking, When in Rome, do as Romans do or give unto Caesar. What might have been the best values for him, does not seems so for you......hence your hoping that he never comes close to your gyaal picknees. Whils't at the same time we are still left hanging to know "which is right" your way of thinking or his.

Getting back to 4:34 and its translations, is there a slight chance that the words "and beat them" could have carried a different meaning.

As usual.....thanks for your stern response, and I am not going away until I understand your concept of 4:34, as We cannot get rid of same, but we can surely try to get a better understanding.

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Originally posted by Reds:
speak for yourself...when i break fast i had dates and polourie :)

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Originally posted by limer:

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Originally posted by ksazma:
However, we cannot deny that we are all being Arabized. We dress arabic, eat arabic (no polourie or patato balls anymore for iftaar, only some dates and something to drink) And on top of that, they sell you the dates at twice the normal price because it is Saudi dates. We even speak English with an Arabic accent although we have always spoken English normally. I could hardly understand the eid khutbah this year although it was done by a Guyanese who has not been to Saudi except for hajj. Are we going to deny these influences?

SPEAK THE TRUTH EVEN IF IT IS AGAINST YOU OR YOUR KIN.

Better to be Arabized than Christianized...

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Originally posted by limer:

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Originally posted by ksazma:
However, we cannot deny that we are all being Arabized. We dress arabic, eat arabic (no polourie or patato balls anymore for iftaar, only some dates and something to drink) And on top of that, they sell you the dates at twice the normal price because it is Saudi dates. We even speak English with an Arabic accent although we have always spoken English normally. I could hardly understand the eid khutbah this year although it was done by a Guyanese who has not been to Saudi except for hajj. Are we going to deny these influences?

SPEAK THE TRUTH EVEN IF IT IS AGAINST YOU OR YOUR KIN.

Better to be Arabized than Christianized...

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Originally posted by rick:
Wish you luck. The man seems to have his own intrepretation and authority.

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Originally posted by ksazma:

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Originally posted by Reds:
speak for yourself...when i break fast i had dates and polourie :)

I don't mean me. See the trend at the masjids. That is why I have iftar at home. :)

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Originally posted by Reds:
whats wrong with christianity?..."arabized" is not a religion..thats like comparing apples and oranges.

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Originally posted by Reds:
thats why i dont go to GY masjids...

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Originally posted by rick:
Is he confirming or denying that you are allowed to beat your wife and can have more than one wife?
He seems to be wriggling around without taking a stance. This is a yes or no answer.

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Originally posted by Aragorn:
anyone who take that verse as a literal meaning will and have to take all other verses just as it is. And if this is the case we have a big problem and evil amongst us. The same with the unreliable hadiths.

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Originally posted by rick:
So what is the meaning?

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Originally posted by Reds:


whats wrong with christianity?..."arabized" is not a religion..thats like comparing apples and oranges.

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Originally posted by ksazma:

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Originally posted by rick:
So what is the meaning?

Dara already explaned it. Go back and read what he wrote.

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Originally posted by ksazma:

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Originally posted by Aragorn:
anyone who take that verse as a literal meaning will and have to take all other verses just as it is. And if this is the case we have a big problem and evil amongst us. The same with the unreliable hadiths.

Bai, ress yuh rass. Yuh have tuh put things in their proper perspective. I gaffo let Dara school yuh some more.

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Originally posted by Aragorn:

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Originally posted by ksazma:

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Originally posted by Aragorn:
anyone who take that verse as a literal meaning will and have to take all other verses just as it is. And if this is the case we have a big problem and evil amongst us. The same with the unreliable hadiths.

Bai, ress yuh rass. Yuh have tuh put things in their proper perspective. I gaffo let Dara school yuh some more.

Dara cool, I like his approach. You can blame the hadiths for all dysfunctional or debatebale practices within islam.

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Originally posted by rick:

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Originally posted by ksazma:

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Originally posted by rick:
So what is the meaning?

Dara already explaned it. Go back and read what he wrote.

This is what he wrote:
"Bhai: i posted the first detailed answer. As a human, I don't believe in beating. Under no circumstance..I view the verses on the subject as catering to gradualism..gradual abolition of the practice."

And the rest of the verses in the Quran are gradualism also? Or only those selected by Dara?

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Originally posted by rick:

If I am not incorrect, I thought wife beating was in the Quran.

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No need to apologise.

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Originally posted by asj:

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The interpretation you have produced is one that apologists for Islam come with..i.e. to show that we don't condone wife beating,

Dara, Thanks for your response, I am trying to get an understanding of your writings and reasoning but I am getting lost somewhere along the lines, am I to understand that the apologist is trying to defend 4:34 which should be undefendable?

I can understand the Saudi line of thinking, When in Rome, do as Romans do or give unto Caesar. What might have been the best values for him, does not seems so for you......hence your hoping that he never comes close to your gyaal picknees. Whils't at the same time we are still left hanging to know "which is right" your way of thinking or his.

Getting back to 4:34 and its translations, is there a slight chance that the words "and beat them" could have carried a different meaning.

As usual.....thanks for your stern response, and I am not going away until I understand your concept of 4:34, as We cannot get rid of same, but we can surely try to get a better understanding.

.