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Originally posted by limer:
I haven't seen you condemn this Isreali's attrocious act as you do so quickly when the Palistinians react.

Where do you see me condemn the Palestinians? I always maintain that Israel are occupying that land illegally. I do think that it is stupid for the Palestinians to kill their matee as a reaction to the Israeli attack on them. Just like the Pakistanis, Iraqis, etc kill their matee senselessly.

Oh rass what is going on look at how them ah jump pon them mattie fullaman when he nah confirm to way them think.

What a tragedy, for dua is the most potent weapon of a believer. It can change fate, while no action of ours ever can. It is the essence of ibadah or worship. With it we can never fail, without it we can never succeed. In the proper scheme of things, dua should be the first and the last resort of the believer, with all his plans and actions coming in between.

Dua is conversation with Allah, out Creator, our Lord and Master, the All Knowing, the All Powerful. This act in itself is of extraordinary significance. It is the most uplifting, liberating, empowering, and transforming conversation a person can ever have. We turn to Him because we know that He alone can lift our sufferings and solve our problems. We feel relieved after describing our difficulties to our Creator. We feel empowered after having communicated with the All Mighty. We sense His mercy all around us after talking to the Most Merciful. We get a new commitment to follow His path for that is the only path for success. We feel blessed with each such commitment

In every difficulty our first action is dua, as is our last. We ask Allah to show us the way to handle that difficulty. We seek His help in following the path He shows to us .Dua is the essence of ibadah. A person engaged in dua affirms his belief in Tawheed and shuns belief in all false gods. With each dua his belief in Allah grows. He beseeches Him, affirming his own powerlessness. A person seriously and sincerely engaged in dua understands exactly the relationship between himself and the Creator and affirms it through his actions. That is the essence of worship. Additionally, such a person can never become arrogant or proud, a logical result of true worship.

Dua is our most potent weapon in all struggles of life as well as in jihad in the battlefield. During the battle of Badr, the Prophet Muhammad stood up all night in prayer seeking Allah's help in the battle between unequal armies that would follow the next day. In the decisive battles against the crusaders, Sultan Salatuddin Ayyubi was busy day and night. His days were devoted to Jihad. His nights were spent making dua, crying, seeking Allah's help. This has been the practice of all true mujahideen.

Exactly my point. Like I said, there is something wrong with our duas. All those duas for the Palestinians and nothing to show for it. I don't see us making duas for jannah for the Palestinians. It is always about them recovering the properties yaken from them. And you know what. It seems like every dua takes away even more of their properties.

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Originally posted by ksazma:
Exactly my point. Like I said, there is something wrong with our duas. All those duas for the Palestinians and nothing to show for it. I don't see us making duas for jannah for the Palestinians. It is always about them recovering the properties yaken from them. And you know what. It seems like every dua takes away even more of their properties.

Why would you worry anyway..God dose not exist according to you brains.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
Why would you worry anyway..God dose not exist according to you brains.

I am only involved in a discussion. What I write here is not intended to reflect my or anyone else's faith or lack thereof. So no need to be too defensive.

This is not about theolgy. It is about normal human actions and how they affect others.

"the best from amongst you is he who is good to his neighbor"

I am only focussing on peoples actions to others. I don't judge people's faith like some others here.

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Originally posted by ksazma:

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
Why would you worry anyway..God dose not exist according to you brains.

I am only involved in a discussion. What I write here is not intended to reflect my or anyone else's faith or lack thereof. So no need to be too defensive.

This is not about theolgy. It is about normal human actions and how they affect others.

"the best from amongst you is he who is good to his neighbor"

I am only focussing on peoples actions to others. I don't judge people's faith like some others here.

Yu don't judge people faith but yu noo fu open yu big mouth and claim that people don't mek dua for the Paliatians to enter jhannah...you know what kind of dua i made or you know about all the duas all muslims make to make such an assish statement.

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Originally posted by Fu Real:
Dua is our most potent weapon in all struggles of life as well as in jihad in the battlefield. .

Saddam seh nuff dua. How come it nevuh wuk? :-))

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Originally posted by Chief:

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Originally posted by ksazma:
Looks like all dem duas nah helping de ummah. Something has to be wrong with all dem duas.

Bro don't say that!
Dua is the only weapon that the Ummah has.

Prayers don't wuk. If that's y'all only weapon den yuh gat nuff damp squibs. :-))

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

Why would you worry anyway..God dose not exist according to you brains.

How can you call yourself religious and you tell lies all the time. Aren't you afraid that Gentle Jesus will give you a sin or that your share of virgins will be reduced when you get to Heaven? Ksazma never said that God does not exist. He said that you can't prove that God exists.

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Originally posted by André:
Ksazma never said that God does not exist. He said that you can't prove that God exists.

Finally someone who knows how to read. Thanks Dre.

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Originally posted by André:

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Originally posted by Chief:

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Originally posted by ksazma:
Looks like all dem duas nah helping de ummah. Something has to be wrong with all dem duas.

Bro don't say that!
Dua is the only weapon that the Ummah has.

Prayers don't wuk. If that's y'all only weapon den yuh gat nuff damp squibs. :-))

The damp squibs will come alite in the hereafter, where we will need it more than ever.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
Yu don't judge people faith but yu noo fu open yu big mouth and claim that people don't mek dua for the Paliatians to enter jhannah...you know what kind of dua i made or you know about all the duas all muslims make to make such an assish statement.

Bai, all the duas that I have heard are for the Palestinians to have victory over the Israelis. Nothing about jannah. Why yuh so emotional?

yall ease the tension.

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Originally posted by ksazma:

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
Yu don't judge people faith but yu noo fu open yu big mouth and claim that people don't mek dua for the Paliatians to enter jhannah...you know what kind of dua i made or you know about all the duas all muslims make to make such an assish statement.

Bai, all the duas that I have heard are for the Palestinians to have victory over the Israelis. Nothing about jannah. Why yuh so emotional?

1 By the heaven, holding mansions of the stars,

2 And by the Promised Day.

3 And by the witness and that whereunto he beareth testimony,

4 (Self-)destroyed were the owners of the ditch

5 Of the fuel-fed fire,

6 When they sat by it,

7 And were themselves the witnesses of what they did to the believers.

8 They had naught against them save that they believed in Allah, the Mighty, the Owner of Praise,

9 Him unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth; and Allah is of all things the Witness.

10 Lo! they who persecute believing men and believing women and repent not, theirs verily will be the doom of hell, and theirs the doom of burning.

11 Lo! those who believe and do good works, theirs will be Gardens underneath which rivers flow. That is the Great Success.

12 Lo! the punishment of thy Lord is stern.

13 Lo! He it is Who produceth, then reproduceth,

14 And He is the Forgiving, the Loving,

15 Lord of the Throne of Glory,

16 Doer of what He will.

17 Hath there come unto thee the story of the hosts

18 Of Pharaoh and (the tribe of) Thamud ?

19 Nay, but those who disbelieve live in denial

20 And Allah, all unseen, surroundeth them.

21 Nay, but it is a glorious Qur'an.

22 On a guarded tablet.

These were believers who lost in the worldly sense but will show up as dwellers of paradise on that day. Allah almighty told us that we must not believe that we will not be tested and he also assured us that if we seek his help in a calamity he will grant us help either here or he is saving it for the here after. Allah knows best.

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Originally posted by Chief:

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Originally posted by André:

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Originally posted by Chief:

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Originally posted by ksazma:
Looks like all dem duas nah helping de ummah. Something has to be wrong with all dem duas.

Bro don't say that!
Dua is the only weapon that the Ummah has.

Prayers don't wuk. If that's y'all only weapon den yuh gat nuff damp squibs. :-))

The damp squibs will come alite in the hereafter, where we will need it more than ever.

There is no hereafter so find squibs that will actually fire in this lifetime. Life is here and now, this is not a dress rehearsal for anything.

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Originally posted by Fu Real:
These were believers who lost in the worldly sense but will show up as dwellers of paradise on that day. Allah almighty told us that we must not believe that we will not be tested and he also assured us that if we seek his help in a calamity he will grant us help either here or he is saving it for the here after. Allah knows best.

This is not about the hereafter. It is about now. Now is not working because we don't apply the advice of the Qur'an; "...come let us discuss....". It is all about accusations and counteraccusations. It is not only limited to Muslims but we do a good job at it. Listening to the rightwing radio talk show hosts like Rush gives the impression that the Republicans see the Democrats as devils and vice versa. People like to demonize those who don't agree with them. Like some of the charges flung at me lately.

I am not contesting the matters in the ahadiths that promotes good habits and practices. D2 put it best when he stated that pandits and majees make things up to mobilize good actions from their followers. MY PROBLEM IS WITH THOSE REFERENCES IN THE AHADITHS THAT MAKES MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE A LICENSE TO DO/SAY THINGS THAT HURT OTHERS. BECAUSE THE AHADITHS WOULD BE CONTRADICTORY BECAUSE IT ALSO SAYS THAT IF ONE WANTS TO KNOW HOW GOOD OF A MUSLIM HE IS, THEN HE SHOULD ASK HIS NEIGHBOR. ANOTHER ONE IS THAT A GOOD MUSLIM IS ONE BY WHOSE HANDS AND MOUTH HIS BROTHER (AND SISTER) IS SAFE. WE CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.