This is sad. But a word: one has to be careful re India. A lot of these dawgs are not "christian" in the religious sense of the word, but simply slaves of the gora saheb who think that by changing their name, pretending to have english as a mother language, and wearing western clothes, they will advance. And truth is they do advance financially. But at what cost? that is what they don' t answer. It is happening in Guyana still. Another church has entered the fray (many christians don't consider this chruch a chrisitan org.)--the mormons are sending their boys to the areas where there is low education. And u know guyanese...dem happy fi see dem gyallo wid won white bhai...
In Hampshire, Nigg....illiterates are speaking out against their "former' religions..pointing out 'flaws". I asked one Madrassi lady how did she KNOW her religion actually taught what the preacher told her it did...she had no answer. But could only tell me of the new found cameraderie and material benefits she had acquired. I left her alone. What bothered me was the venom she directed against her ancestral beliefs--without having anything reliable to support her contentions.

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
What bothered me was the venom she directed against her ancestral beliefs--without having anything reliable to support her contentions.

This reminds me of pajama pants and a few others!

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Originally posted by ICIP:

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
What bothered me was the venom she directed against her ancestral beliefs--without having anything reliable to support her contentions.

This reminds me of pajama pants and a few others!

Bhai..from what I understand PJ just plays wutliss here on GNi...

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Originally posted by Mitwah:

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Originally posted by Jungle Girl:
From the sublime to the ridiculous - I pray (as it is my right, whether requested or not :))that the blind may see the light.

Rather absurd!

In Matthew 7.5 What did Jesus say about people like you?

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

I'm not actually sure what is hypocritical but perhaps of the log lodged in your eye you fail to see - at all.

Ephesians 6:18
And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.

2 Thessalonians 3:2-3
And pray that we may be delivered from the wicked and evil men, for not everyone has faith. But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen and protect you from the evil one.

A SECRET PLACE

This world some times seems cruel and cold
And pain doth pierce my very soul
But there's a place, a secret place
A place where I can go

A place of peace where love abides
Where justice reigns and God resides
There is a place, a secret place
A place where I can go

For You shall hide me in Your tabernacle
From the rain and storm
And even when my enemies pursue me
You'll keep me safe from harm
And when my heart is filled with pain
No peace it seems I'll find again
I find that place, a secret place
That place where I can go

For You shall hide me in your tabernacle
From the rain and storm
And even when my enemies pursue me
You'll keep me safe from harm

There is safety
In Your tabernacle
There is protection
In Your tabernacle
There is security
In Your tabernacle
There is sanctuary
In Your tabernacle

Lord take me
To Your tabernacle
I want to go
To Your tabernacle

Lord take me
To Your tabernacle
Lord there You reign
Hide me safely in Your dwelling place

There is a place, a secret place
A place where I can go
A place, a secret place
I wanna go, I wanna go

Karen Clark Sheard

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but perhaps of the log lodged in your eye you fail to see

Yikes! As the saying goes, that's not very Christian like...

One of the paradoxes..well it is not really one...but Jesus, by all reports was the most humble of people. taught humility too. Yet, when one says "I will pray for you" they don't realise how arrogant that statement is. It presupposes they only are guided, and you are not. Quite diff. to BEING ASKED to pray for someone.
Also, there is arrogance in assuming salvation for oneself...that is for God to judge, is it not? This is why J supposedly said that there are many that shall do things in his name...but he will not acknowlegde them (for their hypocrisy). Not accusing anyone...just making some points..especially since JG arrogantly ascribed to herself representation for Christi. when she said I attacked "her and Christinaity>"
Christianity is one thing, people are another, and for the argumentative aspect, what jesus said was something else. I say that and it also applies to Muslims, Islam, and Muhammad.

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Originally posted by Jungle Girl:

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Originally posted by Mitwah:

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Originally posted by Jungle Girl:
From the sublime to the ridiculous - I pray (as it is my right, whether requested or not :))that the blind may see the light.

Rather absurd!

In Matthew 7.5 What did Jesus say about people like you?

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

I'm not actually sure what is hypocritical but perhaps of the log lodged in your eye you fail to see - at all.

Ephesians 6:18
And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.

2 Thessalonians 3:2-3
And pray that we may be delivered from the wicked and evil men, for not everyone has faith. But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen and protect you from the evil one.

LOL!!! You are rather presumtious and your statement about the log was very much unchristianlike .

I don't need you to pray for me.

The above passages are not the "gospels of JC".

Here is what Jesus said about his kingdom:

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works?" Matthew 7:21-22

In Mark 8:35 Jesus said: "...but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's the same shall save it ."

How could JC have said this when there were no gospels when he lived?

The gospels were not written and did not appear until after his death.

Deuteronomy 23:2 (New International Version)


2 No one born of a forbidden marriage [a] nor any of his descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, even down to the tenth generation.

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(a) Deuteronomy 23:2 Or one of illegitimate birth

What about all the Christian bastards? For ten generations....

This might be a bit harsh, but God commands it, hence it must be "just".

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Originally posted by ICIP:

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
What bothered me was the venom she directed against her ancestral beliefs--without having anything reliable to support her contentions.

This reminds me of pajama pants and a few others!

Including Super Mike and hie new found God, that he is ashamed to give the name!

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Originally posted by Mitwah:
Deuteronomy 23:2 (New International Version)


2 No one born of a forbidden marriage [a] nor any of his descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, even down to the tenth generation.

Footnotes:

(a) Deuteronomy 23:2 Or one of illegitimate birth

What about all the Christian bastards? For ten generations....

This might be a bit harsh, but God commands it, hence it must be "just".

The only need that Christian Evangelicals have for the Old Testament is that it supposedly the coming of Jesus. If they didn't need that, they would stick only to the New Testament. Remember that when asked about the commandments, Paul said that the commandments are nailed to the cross. He may have been dissing the commandments given to Moses there. Then when they seek to demean Abraham saying that he violated some of the ten commandments, Allah answers that in the Qur'an by asking why are they judging Abraham by the ten commandments when those were not established until after Abraham. Their intent is to diminish Abraham in an attempt to diminish Muhammad since he has a direct lineage to Abraham.

Everyone should be free to live however they choose as long as their actions do not adversely affect others. My own personal experience is that I entered the comparative religion arena when my co-worker in Guyana who was an assembly of God pastor (and Indian) told me on day that Muhammad was the first false prophet. That was the biggest mistake he ever made because every post office in Guyana heard how I whopped his behind during debates (or more like cussouts) :-))

Of course I debate too...and argue about religion. But as we all KNOW, it is better to let each be in his/her world so that such a person might find personal fulfillment. After all, I look at some of my teachers who were masters at theology...but who, as human beings were such abominable pricks that I wonder where their learning got them.
For the reading of the bible as Kaz pointed out, it is called "history prophesized"..or the prophetization of history...i.e. to make past events seem as if they are still to come.

Now since Deuteronomy 23:2 says that bastards should not attend church and this goes unto the tenth generation, and since Jesus was birthed by Mary and Jehovah as the Bible claims and Mary was an unwed mother at his birth, then he is technically a bastard and should not be the leader of the church. No?

Not after the Pauline Doctrine took over. Jesus said he came to fulfill the law. the problem is that the Christian testament reports him being accused of blasphemy after claiming God as his father. The idea of mamzer (bastard) seems not to surface.
The Jews, in a book written AFTEr the events, and clearly as polemic, TOLEDOT YESHUA, claims that jesus' dad was actually a roman centurion. Once again, this charge is not based on any research, but simply out of spite.
But it is possible that his parentage might have been one of the reasons that the Jewish high council denied him. What is interesting however, is that there is no report of mary being denigrated in the society of her time. Although, the only quasi historical reports we have are from the Christian scriptures. The Muslim scripture, from an academic point of view, offers nothing historical since it comes 5 centuries after the events.

IT IS WELL WITH MY SOUL

When peace, like a river, attendeth my way,
When sorrows like sea billows roll;
Whatever my lot, Thou has taught me to say,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.

It is well, with my soul,
It is well, with my soul,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.

Though Satan should buffet, though trials should come,
Let this blest assurance control,
That Christ has regarded my helpless estate,
And hath shed His own blood for my soul.

It is well, with my soul,
It is well, with my soul,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.

My sin, oh, the bliss of this glorious thought!
My sin, not in part but the whole,
Is nailed to the cross, and I bear it no more,
Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, O my soul!

It is well, with my soul,
It is well, with my soul,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.

For me, be it Christ, be it Christ hence to live:
If Jordan above me shall roll,
No pang shall be mine, for in death as in life
Thou wilt whisper Thy peace to my soul.

It is well, with my soul,
It is well, with my soul,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.

But, Lord, ˜tis for Thee, for Thy coming we wait,
The sky, not the grave, is our goal;
Oh trump of the angel! Oh voice of the Lord!
Blessèd hope, blessèd rest of my soul!

It is well, with my soul,
It is well, with my soul,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.

And Lord, haste the day when my faith shall be sight,
The clouds be rolled back as a scroll;
The trump shall resound, and the Lord shall descend,
Even so, it is well with my soul.

It is well, with my soul,
It is well, with my soul,
It is well, it is well, with my soul.

Wintley Phillips

RIP LB

What if there was no resurrection and the Roman soldiers did not hand over Jesus's body to his family but rather dragged it to the fields and left it to the dogs as was customary in those days?

ANOTHER TIME ANOTHER PLACE

I've always heard there is a land
Beyond the mortal dreams of man
Where every tear will be left behind
But it must be in another time

There'll be an everlasting light
Shining a purest holy white
And every fear will be erased
But it must be in another place

So, I'm waiting
For another time and another place
Where all my hopes and dreams
Will be captured
With one look at Jesus' face

Oh, my heart's been burning
My soul keeps yearning
Sometimes I can't hardly wait
For that sweet, sweet someday
When I'll be swept away
To another time and another place

I've grown so tired of earthly things
They promise peace but furnish pain
All of life's sweetest joys combined
Could never match those in another time

And though I've put my trust in Christ
And felt His Spirit move in my life
I know it's truly just a taste
Of His glory in another place

So, I'm waiting
For another time and another place
Where all my hopes and dreams
Will be captured
With one look at Jesus' face

Oh, my heart's been burning
My soul keeps yearning
Sometimes I can't hardly wait
For that sweet, sweet someday
When I'll be swept away
To another time and another place

Sandi Patty

JG, if Christ died on the cross, how did he walk out of the tomb?

I don't think it is a good idea to keep messing up JG's thread. If anyone has issues with Christianity, they should start a separate thread and debate those issues.
Seems to be a lack of tolerance and respect here.

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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:
I don't think it is a good idea to keep messing up JG's thread. If anyone has issues with Christianity, they should start a separate thread and debate those issues.
Seems to be a lack of tolerance and respect here.

yuh might have a point here. This thread used to be free from discussions. If everyone agree, maybe we can all delete our postings. I am just worried about loosing my karma points though. :-))

While one wishes to be righteous, one should review the issue that got the line of questioning started. ICIP responded to some of JG's postings and her answers were condescending and triumphalist. I responded to some of her views and her reaction was not one that was representative of the lucan concept of Christocentric tolerance...but rather the opposite. once one unsheaths a sword, one must be prepared to see other swords become unsheated. One does not pull a sword and then turn tail. One has a right to pose questions...and see those questions answered. The entire interaction on GNI seems to revolve around questions and answers.

At a prayer service, I heard one pastor said that Christ never died.

At another I heard another one said the he died for our sins and was resurrected.

So who is telling the truth?