Great - now hopefully this thread does not have to endure anymore Christianity bashing or further "academically invincible irrefutable summation."

Thanks amral.Although I might not agree with ICIP on everything he says..nor does he agree with me--he had a valid point in his questioning. And when with sanctimoniousness JG deemed his stuff christian bashing, then responded to my inquiry with the arrogance of a misled zealot, I decided to let her know that this is an open forum. I will follow ICIP's lead here...I have thus far ignored her posts..hymns of Mithraic construction do not warrant my attention...bur a good argument does. So far, she is still way behind. Perhaps after she reads "constantine's sword" she might gain some footage.

quote:

Originally posted by Jungle Girl:
Great - now hopefully this thread does not have to endure anymore Christianity bashing or further "academically invincible irrefutable summation."

The title alone makes it seem like you are looking for sympathy. Many of us know however it is a trap for the dumb down to fall into and be converted! massa train you and your kind well.

I cannot for the life of me get it: they talk about love and one asks: well then, respect for my privacy comes before love. Spare me your nonsnese...or spare me your preaching. And they say they are non violent. Forgetting that an invasion of space by any means..is violence. But then again...such it is when one has to base one's theology on a violent act.
Massa it would seem has them totally brainwashed..even down to language usage...claiming this "thread" even on a public forum...what unforgiveable stupidity!!!

Falsehood lies not only in monistic claims. But in the mundane aspect of launching accusations. I almost always ignore this thread....but i see I am accused of wanting to derail it. When I was quoted..and responded, not rudely, and then received a nasty retort..then I felt it was my duty to put my foot down. If that is derailing..by all means let it be. because now, I am getting sick of this pretentious protestation of piety that seems evidently instead to be pernicious pietitiousness. For elucidation: my satan comment was because the same way that the serpent beguiled the primordial couple with false words is exactly what you are doing. and somehow you "know" my intention. And then run to complain even though you started the nonsense. One wonders..if you were not satanic, why would the description bother you? Hast thou no other cheek to turn? Or are both imprinted with the seal of diabolos?

quote:

Originally posted by Dustie:
Nice and refreshing thread.

My brother LB.
He posted this just a few months before he passed away.
Today is the first day I am reading this thread.

quote:

Originally posted by dara shikoh:
Thanks amral.Although I might not agree with ICIP on everything he says..nor does he agree with me--he had a valid point in his questioning. And when with sanctimoniousness JG deemed his stuff christian bashing, then responded to my inquiry with the arrogance of a misled zealot, I decided to let her know that this is an open forum. I will follow ICIP's lead here...I have thus far ignored her posts..hymns of Mithraic construction do not warrant my attention...bur a good argument does. So far, she is still way behind. Perhaps after she reads "constantine's sword" she might gain some footage.

It must be painful to live everyday with such bitterness. Hope you feel much better not only with your Christianity bashing but also with your petty name calling.

quote:

Originally posted by ICIP:

quote:

Originally posted by Jungle Girl:
Great - now hopefully this thread does not have to endure anymore Christianity bashing or further "academically invincible irrefutable summation."

The title alone makes it seem like you are looking for sympathy. Many of us know however it is a trap for the dumb down to fall into and be converted! massa train you and your kind well.

It's unfortunate that you would think that - I wonder under what trpa you have fallen - because whatever it is you have fallen hard. Don't worry if you ever need help getting up - I am here.

quote:

Originally posted by dara shikoh:
I cannot for the life of me get it: they talk about love and one asks: well then, respect for my privacy comes before love. Spare me your nonsnese...or spare me your preaching. And they say they are non violent. Forgetting that an invasion of space by any means..is violence. But then again...such it is when one has to base one's theology on a violent act.
Massa it would seem has them totally brainwashed..even down to language usage...claiming this "thread" even on a public forum...what unforgiveable stupidity!!!

Falsehood lies not only in monistic claims. But in the mundane aspect of launching accusations. I almost always ignore this thread....but i see I am accused of wanting to derail it. When I was quoted..and responded, not rudely, and then received a nasty retort..then I felt it was my duty to put my foot down. If that is derailing..by all means let it be. because now, I am getting sick of this pretentious protestation of piety that seems evidently instead to be pernicious pietitiousness. For elucidation: my satan comment was because the same way that the serpent beguiled the primordial couple with false words is exactly what you are doing. and somehow you "know" my intention. And then run to complain even though you started the nonsense. One wonders..if you were not satanic, why would the description bother you? Hast thou no other cheek to turn? Or are both imprinted with the seal of diabolos?

Dara I am at the point wher I have ceased to even try to understand what it is you are on about. You obviously believe that you have ALL the answers to life's questions and anyone who dares hold an alternative belief is stupid. I beg to differ - for all your ranting and raving youhave come across and quite bitter and fanatical. Is this your way of trying to get yourself noticed or you so-called theories tested. For all your scholarly proclamations I am yet to find one peer reviewed published article on any subject from you. Perhaps even in some obscure journal.

Let me make it clear for the final time - I have no interest in dialogue with you. This is a public forum and I am allowed to post here - even if you don't like it. I have sunk to personal attacks and I am disappointed that with all your claims - that's the only thing you seem to do. I am utterly disgusted that you continue to expose yourself in this manner. It is indeed sad.

Who invaded your privacy? Is this not a PUBLIC forum???? You hve compromised your own privacy by being on the forum. Honestly are you for real? I can't even believe I wasted time responding to someone of your ilk.

You claim that I started this nonsense - the fact that you accept, admit and declare your rantings nonsense is indeed a great start. However it is pellucidly clear that you brought yourself here and started youas sault on Christianity. I did not issue a call for haters. So let's try to understand who actually came here throwing stones.

If it makes you feel better to believe that I am satan or satanic I won't take that away from you. I can otherwise be of little help for your delusional state.

I would hope that you can at least respect the rules now that it has been pointed out to you - respect for other's relious beliefs - and take your sanctimonious (surprising how your words fit you so well - reminds me of a boomerang) comments elsewhere.

My final response!

Psalm 27
Triumphant Song of Confidence Of David.

1The Lord is my light and my salvation;
whom shall I fear?
The Lord is the stronghold* of my life;
of whom shall I be afraid?

2When evildoers assail me
to devour my flesh"”
my adversaries and foes"”
they shall stumble and fall.

3Though an army encamp against me,
my heart shall not fear;
though war rise up against me,
yet I will be confident.

4One thing I asked of the Lord,
that will I seek after:
to live in the house of the Lord
all the days of my life,
to behold the beauty of the Lord,
and to inquire in his temple.

5For he will hide me in his shelter
in the day of trouble;
he will conceal me under the cover of his tent;
he will set me high on a rock.

6Now my head is lifted up
above my enemies all around me,
and I will offer in his tent
sacrifices with shouts of joy;
I will sing and make melody to the Lord.

7Hear, O Lord, when I cry aloud,
be gracious to me and answer me!

8˜Come,' my heart says, ˜seek his face!'
Your face, Lord, do I seek.

9 Do not hide your face from me.
Do not turn your servant away in anger,
you who have been my help.
Do not cast me off, do not forsake me,
O God of my salvation!

10 If my father and mother forsake me,
the Lord will take me up.

11 Teach me your way, O Lord,
and lead me on a level path
because of my enemies.

12 Do not give me up to the will of my adversaries, for false witnesses have risen against me, and they are breathing out violence.

13I believe that I shall see the goodness of the Lord
in the land of the living.

14Wait for the Lord;
be strong, and let your heart take courage;
wait for the Lord!

God Bless :))

Psalm 14

1 Fools say in their hearts, ˜There is no God.' They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds; there is no one who does good.

2 The Lord looks down from heaven on humankind to see if there are any who are wise, who seek after God.

3 They have all gone astray, they are all alike perverse; there is no one who does good, no, not one.

4 Have they no knowledge, all the evildoers who eat up my people as they eat bread, and do not call upon the Lord?

5 There they shall be in great terror, for God is with the company of the righteous.

6 You would confound the plans of the poor, but the Lord is their refuge.

7 O that deliverance for Israel would come from Zion! When the Lord restores the fortunes of his people, Jacob will rejoice; Israel will be glad.

Be blessed :)

quote:

Originally posted by Jungle Girl:

quote:

Originally posted by ICIP:

quote:

Originally posted by Jungle Girl:
Great - now hopefully this thread does not have to endure anymore Christianity bashing or further "academically invincible irrefutable summation."

The title alone makes it seem like you are looking for sympathy. Many of us know however it is a trap for the dumb down to fall into and be converted! massa train you and your kind well.

It's unfortunate that you would think that - I wonder under what trpa you have fallen - because whatever it is you have fallen hard. Don't worry if you ever need help getting up - I am here.

Perhaps, if you had read clearly you would have learnt that I am did not fall in your trap.

I'M TOO BLESSED TO BE STRESSED ....
TOO ANOINTED TO BE DISAPPOINTED

I refuse to be discouraged,
To be sad or to cry.
I refuse to be downhearted
And here's the reason why:

I have a God who is Almighty;
Who is sovereign and supreme;
I have a God who loves me,
And I am on His team.

He is all wise and powerful;
Jesus is His Name;
Though everything else is changeable,
My God remains the same.

I refuse to be defeated!
My eyes are on my GOD!
He has promised to be with me,
As through this life I trod.

I am looking past my circumstances,
To Heaven's throne above.
My prayers have reached the heart of God.
I am resting in His Love.

I give thanks to Him in everything.
My eyes are on His face.
The battle is His; the victory is mine;
He will help me win the race!

I repeat, "I'M TOO BLESSED TO BE STRESSED!"

Jungle Girl keep posting the songs on Jesus Christ. I find some of them very inspirational.
Muslims love Jesus too. We are not ashamed of him. I wish the title of the thread could
simply be GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.

I am not taking sides but from what I read ICIP don't like when people pray for him. Personally I don't mind if Christians pray for me, the more prayer the better :-).

Dara simply pointed out that there is a difference between Christianity and Evangelism, which I agree with. Too bad about all the name calling, shouldn't have happened.

If you want to see what bashing is, go back to some of the Islam bashing threads, you'll see what bashing is. This is nothing compare to that. We survived it, we are still smiling...again keep on posting the songs.

dara want some good stick lash :-))


dem islam bashing threads used to get to 20 pages overnight. :(

quote:

Originally posted by ksazma:
dara want some good stick lash :-))


dem islam bashing threads used to get to 20 pages overnight. :(

20 pages...thats an understatement , If you find Dara , I second that ..:-).

First time reading parts of this thread.

What if in the end we find out that it is not true that salavation is made available to all people thru JC?

Did he really die for my sins, even the ones that I did not commit yet?

Which version of this prophecy is false? They cannot both be true.

John 13:38 (New International Version)

38Then Jesus answered, "Will you really lay down your life for me? I tell you the truth, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times!

Mark 14:66-72 (New International Version)

(66) While Peter was below in the courtyard, one of the servant girls of the high priest came by. (67) When she saw Peter warming himself, she looked closely at him. "You also were with that Nazarene, Jesus," she said. (68) But he denied it. "I don't know or understand what you're talking about," he said, and went out into the entryway. That is number 1 (69) When the servant girl saw him there, she said again to those standing around, "This fellow is one of them." (70) Again he denied it. Number 2 After a little while, those standing near said to Peter, "Surely you are one of them, for you are a Galilean." (71) He began to call down curses on himself, and he swore to them, "I don't know this man you're talking about." Number 3 (72) Immediately the rooster crowed the second time. Then Peter remembered the word Jesus had spoken to him: "Before the rooster crows twice you will disown me three times." And he broke down and wept.

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Dara I am at the point wher I have ceased to even try to understand what it is you are on about. You obviously believe that you have ALL the answers to life's questions and anyone who dares hold an alternative belief is stupid. I beg to differ - for all your ranting and raving youhave come across and quite bitter and fanatical. Is this your way of trying to get yourself noticed or you so-called theories tested. For all your scholarly proclamations I am yet to find one peer reviewed published article on any subject from you. Perhaps even in some obscure journal.

Let me make it clear for the final time - I have no interest in dialogue with you. This is a public forum and I am allowed to post here - even if you don't like it. I have sunk to personal attacks and I am disappointed that with all your claims - that's the only thing you seem to do. I am utterly disgusted that you continue to expose yourself in this manner. It is indeed sad.

Who invaded your privacy? Is this not a PUBLIC forum???? You hve compromised your own privacy by being on the forum. Honestly are you for real? I can't even believe I wasted time responding to someone of your ilk.

You claim that I started this nonsense - the fact that you accept, admit and declare your rantings nonsense is indeed a great start. However it is pellucidly clear that you brought yourself here and started youas sault on Christianity. I did not issue a call for haters. So let's try to understand who actually came here throwing stones.

If it makes you feel better to believe that I am satan or satanic I won't take that away from you. I can otherwise be of little help for your delusional state.

I would hope that you can at least respect the rules now that it has been pointed out to you - respect for other's relious beliefs - and take your sanctimonious (surprising how your words fit you so well - reminds me of a boomerang) comments elsewhere.

My final response![/QUOTE]
I don't really give a rat's behind about your views. What I do care about is your sanctimoniousness and let me explain. As for my being noticed, I am that, whether you like it or not. If I remember correctly, I was mentioned on your thread..I did not start it...
Next..for peer reviewed journals..here is where your nastiness manifests itself. I need not give you my name here...if you are looking for dara shikoh in jounrals you are a bigger idiot that I thought you are. If you feel that a professor can be at the associate level at a university without a substantial publishing record, then you are beyond stupid. U seem to somehow want to give the impression you are smart. YOur rebuttals..or attempts prove you are not.
Listen idiot..yes, I am calling ou a name..stop making this about christianity. YOu may claim to be christian, but please don't talk about what christianity is. YOur irritating responses to ICIP and getting my name involved is a personal issue. If you reread the threads, you will see that I am hitting out at your nastiness. Don't try to pull the sympathy thread here. As I said, I don't harbor fools easily and you are coming across as such. I have never hidden the fact that I am rather acerbic in my style when I address asses. So if that offends you, that is your problem.
I care not for dialogue with you either..but you opened a thread..and you got a response. And since this is not the medieval times, you cannot have an inquisition. so take that and shove it.

quote:

Originally posted by Jungle Girl:

Psalm 27
Triumphant Song of Confidence Of David.

1The Lord is my light and my salvation;
whom shall I fear?
The Lord is the stronghold* of my life;
of whom shall I be afraid?

2When evildoers assail me
to devour my flesh"”
my adversaries and foes"”
they shall stumble and fall.

3Though an army encamp against me,
my heart shall not fear;
though war rise up against me,
yet I will be confident.

4One thing I asked of the Lord,
that will I seek after:
to live in the house of the Lord
all the days of my life,
to behold the beauty of the Lord,
and to inquire in his temple.

5For he will hide me in his shelter
in the day of trouble;
he will conceal me under the cover of his tent;
he will set me high on a rock.

6Now my head is lifted up
above my enemies all around me,
and I will offer in his tent
sacrifices with shouts of joy;
I will sing and make melody to the Lord.

7Hear, O Lord, when I cry aloud,
be gracious to me and answer me!

8˜Come,' my heart says, ˜seek his face!'
Your face, Lord, do I seek.

9 Do not hide your face from me.
Do not turn your servant away in anger,
you who have been my help.
Do not cast me off, do not forsake me,
O God of my salvation!

10 If my father and mother forsake me,
the Lord will take me up.

11 Teach me your way, O Lord,
and lead me on a level path
because of my enemies.

12 Do not give me up to the will of my adversaries, for false witnesses have risen against me, and they are breathing out violence.

13I believe that I shall see the goodness of the Lord
in the land of the living.

14Wait for the Lord;
be strong, and let your heart take courage;
wait for the Lord!

God Bless :))

This by the way is from a JEWISH DOCUMENT...the very Jews that your ilk have sought to deny. This is not the gospel of Jesus..since you want to act like an ass and accuse me of wanting to derail your thread, you do need to be honest. hence the word sanctimonious as I applied it to you.

Mit/Imala?kaz: As Amral wants, we will not discuss which religion is better, since I too will never start that..I have, as all will witness, defended Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism and Judaism on this board more than any.
I spend most of my day reading texts...textual analysis and can often tell the intention of the reader from what is written. It is painfully obvious that when i refuted some christian fanatics, it offended some who pretend to be quiet and peaceful. See, as long as the stick is against Islam, Hinduism and to a lesser extent Judaism, all is well. For those who are the most vociferous islambashers on this board seem to belong to a particular religious calling...when they can't get their way, they are upset....and resort to the typical crusader mentality.
The hebrew bible that JG wants to refer to for psalms (although that is NOT the gospel of Jesus--and there is NO extant document claiming to be that) shows how shallow her claims are.
And then the attempted stab about my publications. Forgetting that I am rather prolific in peer reviewed journals. And just had a co-edited book out. Like the claims of all conniving fanatics, prevarication is the foundation of her rantings.

quote:

Originally posted by imala:
Jungle Girl keep posting the songs on Jesus Christ. I find some of them very inspirational.
Muslims love Jesus too. We are not ashamed of him. I wish the title of the thread could
simply be GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.

I am not taking sides but from what I read ICIP don't like when people pray for him. Personally I don't mind if Christians pray for me, the more prayer the better :-).

Dara simply pointed out that there is a difference between Christianity and Evangelism, which I agree with. Too bad about all the name calling, shouldn't have happened.

If you want to see what bashing is, go back to some of the Islam bashing threads, you'll see what bashing is. This is nothing compare to that. We survived it, we are still smiling...again keep on posting the songs.

Imala: while your post is honest there are certain things that i need point out so that they might not be used against my religion as missionaries like to do.
First: Jesus was Jewish. The Jesus personae in Judaism/Christianity and Islam are all different.
We feel there is a diff between creator and created, in Xity, there is none as per the concept of homousia, as pertains to Jesus.
It is in HIS name--and falsely so--that millions of your spiritual ancestors, along with Jews and OTHER CHRISTIANS were slaughtered. This is why I don't let things go when it comes to being set upon by bigots, no matter how peacefully they supposedly carry themselves.
Notice how the swords have been drawn now...all those who supposedly are so "okay" now want to jump. Remember...the smi