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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
the teachings of J. The problem is that there is no consensus on the quiddity of certain basic problems: claim to divinity. That is the core. And 'from jesus to christ" is just one book the explores the metamorphosis from man to god..all after his death...the concept of grace....there is no the issue of shame..but of establishing what was and what was not. The christian sects have not done this. Look at the Jesus seminar.
And look at the responses you are getting..Fu real on the other thread...all regurgitations of internet garbage that rehash what we have already debunked.
What do ALL agree upon: that he walked on earth, that he was a person of peace. Beyond that there is too much in dispute, NOT among Muslims and Christians, but among CHRISTIAN SECTS themselves. ANy objective observer will note that the teaching purporting to come from him are actually Paul's. ON top of which..CHRISTIAN scholars aver that they can only vouch for 6 or 7 of the letters attributed to Paul...imagine a case where you say that you KNOW some of the evidence is manufactured? do you make any statement of clear cut ideas? Especailly when ALL we see contradicts the the basic concept of Abrahamic monotheism, established by MOSES whose law Jesus came to obey?
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REACH OUT AND TOUCH
Reach out and touch somebody's hand
Make this world a better place if you can
Reach out and touch somebody's hand
Make this world a better place if you can

TryTake a little time out of your busy day
To show a little love
To someone who may have lost their way

Just tryOr would I be talking to a stone
If I asked you
To share a problem that's wasn't your own

We can change things if we start giving
Why dont you (x2)

Reach out and touch somebody's hand
Make this world a better place if you can
Reach out and touch somebody's hand
Make this world a better place if you can

Repeat till fade

Listen
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YOU RAISE ME UP
When I am down and, oh my soul, so weary;
When troubles come and my heart burdened be;
Then, I am still and wait here in the silence,
Until you come and sit awhile with me.

You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains;
You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas;
I am strong, when I am on your shoulders;
You raise me up... To more than I can be.

You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains;
You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas;
I am strong, when I am on your shoulders;
You raise me up... To more than I can be.


There is no life - no life without its hunger;
Each restless heart beats so imperfectly;
But when you come and I am filled with wonder,
Sometimes, I think I glimpse eternity.

You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains;
You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas;
I am strong, when I am on your shoulders;
You raise me up... To more than I can be.

You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains;
You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas;
I am strong, when I am on your shoulders;
You raise me up... To more than I can be.

You raise me up... To more than I can be.


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ONE TOUCH
Been ostracized for 12 years
I'm used to being alone
Spent everything I had
And now it's gone
I'm used to being put down
My issues tell it all
My only hope is anchored
In this fall

If I could just touch the hem of His garment
I know I'd be made whole
If I could just press my way through this madness
His love would heal my soul
If only one touch


So many people calling
How could He ever know
That just a brush of Him
Would stop the flow
If He knew would He rebuke me
Or shame me to the crowd
Well I'm desperate 'cause it's never or it's now

If I could just touch the hem of His garment
I know I'd be made whole
If I could just press my way through this madness
His love would heal my soul.


And then suddenly He turned around
He said somebody has unleashed my power
Well, frightened and embarrassed I bowed
You see I told Him of my troubles
And how...

I had to touch the Hem of His garment
And i know I've been made whole
And how I had pressed my way through this madness
And His love has healed my soul.

Then with one word He touched the hem of my garment
And you know I've been made whole
And somehow He pressed His way throught my madness
And His love has healed my soul.

I tell you He Touched me.
He reached way down and touched me
When no one else would touch me
Jesus shol' 'nough [[sure enough]] He touched me...
And I know I've been made whole


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HE WILL CARRY ME
I call, You hear me
I’ve lost it all
And it’s more than I can bear
I feel so empty

You’re strong
I’m weary
I’m holdin’ on
But I feel like givin’ in
But still You’re with me

And even though I’m walkin’ through
The valley of the shadow
I will hold tight to the hand of Him
Whose love will comfort me
And when all hope is gone
And I’ve been wounded in the battle
He is all the strength that I will ever need
He will carry me


I know I’m broken
But You alone
Can mend this heart of mine
You’re always with me

And even though I’m walkin’ through
The valley of the shadow
I will hold tight to the hand of Him
Whose love will comfort me
And when all hope is gone
And I’ve been wounded in the battle
He is all the strength that I will ever need
He will carry me
He will carry me


And even though I feel so lonely
Like I’ve never been before
You never said it would be easy
But You said you’d see me through the storm

And even though I’m walkin’ through
The valley of the shadow
I will hold tight to the hand of Him
Whose love will comfort me
And when all hope is gone
And I’ve been wounded in the battle
He is all the strength that I will ever need
He will carry me
He will carry me
He will carry me
He will carry me


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Christianity is religion that must woo and win souls to christ . Their sights therefore must be set on those who seem pagan and in need of conversion to the 'only true and living god " . Tell them to return from whence they came , they scream persecution ... Retaliate with violence they become martyrs and long suffering bigots who pray to the 'Lord' to forgive their enemies . It is a no win situation but my advice to Hindus and other religions who are faced with the onslought of 'Christian soldiers' , is to strengthen their own base through education , social work , and simplification of rituals .

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With the proper knowledge, we can improve from religious beings to spiritual beings.
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Thanks for sharing that quote ICIP. There are still many people out there who try to denegrate religions different from their own.

It's so comforting that we serve a gracious, merciful and forgiving God. I continue to pray for unbelievers and I will lift both you and Sonah up in prayer. If you have any others for whom I could pray please do let me know.

Have a blessed day!
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GOD IS IN CONTROL
This is no time for fear
This is a time for faith and determination
Don't lose the vision here
Carried away by emotion
Hold on to all that you hide in your heart
There is one thing that has always been true
It holds the world together

God is in control
We believe that His children will not be forsaken
God is in control
We will choose to remember and never be shaken
There is no power above or beside Him, we know
God is in control, oh God is in control


History marches on
There is a bottom line drawn across the ages
Culture can make its plan
Oh, but the line never changes
No matter how the deception may fly
There is one thing that has always been true
It will be true forever

God is in control
We believe that His children will not be forsaken
God is in control
We will choose to remember and never be shaken
There is no power above or beside Him, we know
God is in control, oh God is in control


He has never let you down
Why start to worry now?
Why start to worry now?
He is still the Lord of all we see
And He is still the loving Father
Watching over you and me

Watching over you,watching over me
Watching over every thing
Watching over you,watching over me
Every little sparrow,every little thing
Oh, every little thing

God is in control
We believe that His children will not be forsaken
God is in control
We will choose to remember and never be shaken
There is no power above or beside Him, we know
God is in control, oh God is in control
Oh God is in control
Oh God is in control


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KING OF KINGS (HE'S A WONDER)
King of Kings and Lord of Lords
Lover of my soul, Jehovah
One and only God I AM
Jesus Christ the Holy Lamb

King of Kings and Lord of Lords
Lover of my soul, Jehovah
One and only God I AM
Jesus Christ the Holy Lamb


Thy truth reaches the clouds
Your mercy never runs out
We give You honour
Be Thou exalted
Above the heavens and above the earth
I give all Glory unto Your name

King of Kings and Lord of Lords
Lover of my soul, Jehovah
One and only God I AM
Jesus Christ the Holy Lamb

King of Kings and Lord of Lords
Lover of my soul, Jehovah
One and only God I AM
Jesus Christ the Holy Lamb


Hills melt in Your presence
And Your foes tremble
At Your awesome power
I will rejoice now and forever
'Cause You are mine
So gracious and so divine

King of Kings and Lord of Lords
Lover of my soul, Jehovah
One and only God I AM
Jesus Christ the Holy Lamb

King of Kings and Lord of Lords
Lover of my soul, Jehovah
One and only God I AM
Jesus Christ the Holy Lamb


He's a wonder, he's a wonder
He's a wonder, he's a wonder
He's a wonder, he's a wonder
He's a mighty God

So good, so good
He's been, so good
My God, our God
Has been so good

So good, so good
He's been So good
My God, our God
He's a wonder, He's a wonder
He's a mighty God

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quote:
Originally posted by Jungle Girl:
I continue to pray for unbelievers and I will lift both you and Sonah up in prayer. If you have any others for whom I could pray please do let me know.

Have a blessed day!
You remind me of the woman on the train who hollered at me the occupants that the world is coming to an end and we must seek the lord. This disrespect must not go unfettered. Christian soldiers constantly disrespect people and their beliefs in the name of "harvesting souls.".
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Originally posted by ICIP:
quote:
Originally posted by Jungle Girl:
I continue to pray for unbelievers and I will lift both you and Sonah up in prayer. If you have any others for whom I could pray please do let me know.

Have a blessed day!
You remind me of the woman on the train who hollered at me the occupants that the world is coming to an end and we must seek the lord. This disrespect must not go unfettered. Christian soldiers constantly disrespect people and their beliefs in the name of "harvesting souls.".
If you examine this closely you will realise that you are behaving just like that woman and shouting to all who will listen that their beliefs are thrash. You were the one who waltzed onto this thread and started to denigrate Christianity. I believe it is my responsibility to pray for you and so I do.

PS If you don't like what is posted here, feel free not to visit this thread.
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I'm Too Blessed To Be Stressed,
Too Anointed To Be Disappointed
I refuse to be discouraged,
to be sad or to cry.
I refuse to be downhearted
and here's the reason why:

I have a God who is almighty;
who is sovereign and supreme;
I have a God who loves me,
and I am on His team.

He is all wise and powerful;
Jesus is His Name;
though everything else is changeable,
My God remains the same.

I refuse to be defeated!
My eyes are on my GOD!
He has promised to be with me,
as through this life I trod.

I am looking past my circumstances,
to Heaven's throne above.
My prayers have reached the heart of God.
I am resting in His Love.

I give thanks to Him in everything.
My eyes are on His face.
The battle is His; the victory is mine;
He will help me win the race!
I repeat, "I'M TOO BLESSED TO BE STRESSED!"
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GOD WILL MAKE A WAY
God will make a way
Where there seems to be no way
He works in ways we cannot see
He will make a way for me
He will be my guide
Hold me closely to His side
With love and strength for each new day
He will make a way
He will make a way

God will make a way
Where there seems to be no way
He works in ways we cannot see
He will make a way for me
He will be my guide
Hold me closely to His side
With love and strength for each new day
He will make a way
He will make a way


By a roadway in the wilderness
He'll lead me
And rivers in the desert will I see
Heaven and earth will fade
But His Word will still remain
He will do something new today.

God will make a way
Where there seems to be no way
He works in ways we cannot see
He will make a way for me
He will be my guide
Hold me closely to His side
With love and strength for each new day
He will make a way
He will make a way

God will make a way
Where there seems to be no way
He works in ways we cannot see
He will make a way for me
He will be my guide
Hold me closely to His side
With love and strength for each new day
He will make a way
He will make a way

With love and strength for each new day
He will make a way
He will make a way


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quote:
Originally posted by Jungle Girl:
If you examine this closely you will realise that you are behaving just like that woman and shouting to all who will listen that their beliefs are thrash. You were the one who waltzed onto this thread and started to denigrate Christianity. I believe it is my responsibility to pray for you and so I do.

PS If you don't like what is posted here, feel free not to visit this thread.
This is a public board and what you post here is offensive to many of us that use our brains! Show me where on this board that I opened a thread and told people that I am praying for them or that I gave you or anyone else permission to pray for me? Where did I frighten people with hell if they do not turn to God? Why do you feel that everywhere you go you have to shove your beliefs down people's throat? You expect me to stay quiet but I will not until you faith based people start keeping your faith private and/or in your churches!
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Originally posted by ICIP:
quote:
Originally posted by Jungle Girl:
If you examine this closely you will realise that you are behaving just like that woman and shouting to all who will listen that their beliefs are thrash. You were the one who waltzed onto this thread and started to denigrate Christianity. I believe it is my responsibility to pray for you and so I do.

PS If you don't like what is posted here, feel free not to visit this thread.
Why do blacks folks always feel that everywhere they go they have to shove your beliefs down people's throat. You expect me to stay quiet but I will not until you faith based people start keeping your faith private!
Let me ask this very simply - do you see African traditions taking root around the world? I mean there are African - black people living all around the world right? So where did you drum up your theory? It is called the gospel for a reason - we are commanded to share the good news. It is not my job to change your belief if you have any - simply to share mine. You are not compelled to listen or to believe, so there is no need for you to get so defensive and lash out.

Good Bless!
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Originally posted by Jungle Girl:
Let me ask this very simply - do you see African traditions taking root around the world? I mean there are African - black people living all around the world right? So where did you drum up your theory? It is called the gospel for a reason - we are commanded to share the good news. It is not my job to change your belief if you have any - simply to share mine. You are not compelled to listen or to believe, so there is no need for you to get so defensive and lash out.

Good Bless!
This is a public board and what you post here is offensive to many of us that use our brains! Show me where on this board that I opened a thread and told people that I am praying for them or that I gave you or anyone else permission to pray for me? Where did I frighten people with hell if they do not turn to God? Why do you feel that everywhere you go you have to shove your beliefs down people's throat? You expect me to stay quiet but I will not until you faith based people start keeping your faith private and/or in your churches!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jungle Girl:
Let me ask this very simply - do you see African traditions taking root around the world? I mean there are African - black people living all around the world right? So where did you drum up your theory? It is called the gospel for a reason - we are commanded to share the good news. It is not my job to change your belief if you have any - simply to share mine. You are not compelled to listen or to believe, so there is no need for you to get so defensive and lash out.

Good Bless!
You are absolutely correct on just about ONE thing- and that is that this is a public board. I'm disappointed that you choose to fabricate the truth.

quote:
Originally posted by ICIP:
This is a public board and what you post here is offensive to many of us that use our brains!
You will note that you are the only one on this thread attempting unsuccessfully to derail it. Can you alsoe xplain why you find my posting songs about my religion on a RELIGIOUS forum offensive? Would you prefer I start a similar thread on the political forum?

quote:
Originally posted by ICIP:
Show me where on this board that I opened a thread and told people that I am praying for them or that I gave you or anyone else permission to pray for me?

I know that you do aspire to some level of importance but I'm sorry to disaapoint you. This thread was not opened for you. I only realised that you were in need of prayer when you invaded this thread and posted your disparaging remarks. I don't need your permission to pray for you or anyone else for that matter. You will note that this is quite a peaceful thread - one of the few threads where there is no religious bashing - only from your side.

quote:
Originally posted by ICIP:
Where did I frighten people with hell if they do not turn to God?
Oooooh dear .... are there people here who became scared after this thread was opened? Pray, do tell me who they are, or are you too afraid to do that.

quote:
Originally posted by ICIP:
Why do you feel that everywhere you go you have to shove your beliefs down people's throat?

Now I am scared. You know what I do everywhere I go? WOW!!!!!

quote:
Originally posted by ICIP:You expect me to stay quiet but I will not until you faith based people start keeping your faith private and/or in your churches!

The only reason I would expect you to be quiet is when you expose your ignorance and bitterness. It's not pretty. Other than that you are free to speak up. Now why do you expect me to do otherwise? Is there some unspoken rule that say ICIP is allowed to drivel, all others shut up? Hmmmm... didn't think so. Funny how you come to a RELIGIOUS public forum and expect to read about Nancy Drew? Or are you really saying that there shouldn't be a religious forum? Or that only some religions should be allowed on this public forum? I know - even you don't know what you're saying!

Peace my brother!
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the basis of christian proselytization is to get the person to deny his people, his culture. I trained with BOTH. yepper...i got the books from the christian side too about how to do the do
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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
the basis of christian proselytization is to get the person to deny his people, his culture. I trained with BOTH. yepper...i got the books from the christian side too about how to do the do
Hahahaha so now let's see - it's ok for people to post derrogatory remarks about Christianity - you don't find that offensive. However anything in support of Christianity offends you. You are hilarious.

PS You may believe and live by every word that dara says - I do not.

Have a blessed and peaceful day!
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MAJESTY
Here I am
Humbled by Your Majesty
Covered by Your grace so free
Here I am
Knowing I'm a sinful man
Covered by the blood of the Lamb

Now I've found
The greatest love of all is mine
Since You laid down Your life
The greatest sacrifice

Majesty, Majesty
Your grace has found me just as I am
Empty handed, but alive in Your hands
Majesty, Majesty
Forever I am changed by Your love
In the presence of your Majesty


Here I am humbled by the love that You give
Forgiven so that I can forgive
Here I stand, knowing that I'm Your desire
Sanctified by glory and fire

Now I've found the greatest love of all is mine
Since You laid down Your life
The greatest sacrifice

Majesty, Majesty
Your grace has found me just as I am
Empty handed, but alive in Your hands
Majesty, Majesty
Forever I am changed by Your love
In the presence of your Majesty


Majesty, Majesty
Your grace has found me just as I am
Empty handed, but alive in Your hands
Majesty, Majesty
Forever I am changed by Your love
In the presence of your Majesty


Delirious