Some thoughts: Extracts of speech by Hafez Adv. AB Mohamed: Director Al Baraka Bank, South Africa

Demographics:
o World Jewish Population. 14 million
o Distribution: 7m in America
5m in Asia
2m in Europe
100 thousand in Africa
o World Muslim Population: 1.5 billion
o Distribution: I billion in Asia/Mid-East
400 m in Africa
44 m in Europe
6 m in the Americas
o Every fifth human being is a Muslim.
o For every single Hindu there are two Muslims
o For every Buddhist there are two Muslims
o For every Jew there are 107 Muslims
o Yet the 14 million Jews are more powerful than the entire 1.5 billion Muslims

Why?

Here are some of the reasons.

Movers of Current History
o Albert Einstein Jewish
o Sigmund Freud Jewish
o Karl Marx Jewish
o Paul Samuelson Jewish
o Milton Friedman

Medical Milestones
o Vaccinating Needle: Benjamin Ruben Jewish
o Polio Vaccine Jonas Salk Jewish
o Leukemia Drug Gertrude Elion Jewish
o Hepatitis B Baruch Blumberg Jewish
o Syphilis Drug Paul Ehrlich Jewish
o Neuro muscular Elie Metchnikoff Jewish
o Endocrinology Andrew Schally Jewish
o Cognitive therapy. Aaron Beck Jewish
o Contraceptive Pill Gregory Pincus Jewish
o Understanding of Human Eye. G. Wald Jewish
o Embryology. Stanley Cohen Jewish
o Kidney Dialysis Willem Kloffcame Jewish

Nobel Prize Winners
o In the past 105 years, 14 million Jews have won 180 Nobel prizes whilst 1.5 billion Muslims have contributed only 3 Nobel winners

Inventions that changed History
o Micro- Processing Chip. Stanley Mezor Jewish
o Nuclear Chain Reactor Leo Sziland Jewish
o Optical Fibre Cable Peter Schultz Jewish
o Traffic Lights Charles Adler Jewish
o Stainless Steel Benno Strauss Jewish
o Sound Movies Isador Kisee Jewish
o Telephone Microphone Emile Berliner Jewish
o Video Tape Recorder Charles Ginsburg Jewish

Influential Global Business
o Polo Ralph Lauren Jewish
o Coca Cola Jewish
o Levi's Jeans Levi Strauss Jewish
o Starbuck's Howard Schultz Jewish
o Google Sergey Brin Jewish
o Dell Computors Michael Dell Jewish
o Oracle Larry Ellison Jewish
o DKNY Donna Karan Jewish
o Baskin & Robbins Irv Robbins Jewish
o Dunkin Donuts Bill Rosenberg Jewish

Influential Intellectuals/Politicians
o Henry Kissinger, US Sec of State Jewish
o Richard Levin, President Yale University Jewish
o Alan Greenspan, US Federal Reserve Jewish
o Joseph Lieberman Jewish
o Madeleine Albright, US Sec of State Jewish
o Casper Weinberger, US Sec of Defense Jewish
o Maxim Litvinov, USSR Foreign Minister Jewish
o David Marshal, Singapore Chief Minister Jewish
o Isaacs Isaacs, Gov-Gen Australia Jewish
o Benjamin Disraeli, British Statesman Jewish
o Yevgeny Primakov, Russian PM Jewish
o Barry Goldwater, US Politician Jewish
o Jorge Sampaio, President Portugal Jewish
o Herb Gray, Canadian Dep-PM Jewish
o Pierre Mendes, French PM Jewish
o Michael Howard, British Home Sec. Jewish
o Bruno Kriesky, Austrian Chancellor Jewish
o Robert Rubin, US Sec of Treasury Jewish

Global Media Influentials
o Wolf Blitzer, CNN Jewish
o Barbara Walters ABC News Jewish
o Eugene Meyer, Washington Post Jewish
o Henry Grunwald, Time Magazine Jewish
o Katherine Graham, Washington Post Jewish
o Joseph Lelyyeld, New York Times Jewish
o Max Frankel, New York Times Jewish

Global Philanthropists
o George Soros Jewish
o Waltewr Annenberg Jewish

Olympic Gold Medalists
o Mark Spitz 7 Gold Medals Jewish
o Krayzelburg Jewish
o Boris Becker
o Stars and TV Producers and
o Personalities Jewish

Why are they powerful?

So why are Muslims powerless? Here's another reason. We have lost the capacity to produce knowledge.

o In the entire Muslim World (57 Muslim Countries) there are only 500 universities.
o In USA alone, 5,758 universities
o In India alone, 8,407 universities
o Not one university in the entire Islamic World features in the Top 500 Ranking Universities of the World
o Literacy in the Christian World 90%
o Literacy in the Muslim World 40%
o 15 Christian majority-countries, literacy rate 100%
o Muslim majority - countries , None
o 98% in Christian countries completed primary
o Only 50% in Muslim countries completed primary.
o 40% in Christian countries attended university
o In Muslim countries a dismal 2% attended.
o Muslim majority countries have 230 scientists per one million Muslims
o The USA has 5000 per million
o The Christian world 1000 technicians per million.
o Entire Arab World only 50 technicians per million.
o Muslim World spends on research/development 0.2% of GDP
o Christian World spends 5 % of GDP

Conclusion.
o The Muslim World lacks the capacity to produce knowledge.

Another way of testing the degree of knowledge is the degree of diffusing knowledge.

o Pakistan 23 daily newspapers per 1000 citizens
o Singapore 360 per 1000 citizens.
o In UK book titles per million is 2000
o In Egypt book titles per million is only 20

Conclusion.
o Muslim World is failing to diffuse knowledge

Applying Knowledge is another such test.
o Exports of high tech products from Pakistan is 1% of its exports.
o In Saudi Arabia is 0.3%
o Kuwait, Morocco and Algeria 0.3%
o Singapore alone is 58%

Conclusion.
o Muslim World is failing to apply knowledge.

So why are the Muslims so powerless!!!
JUST THINK ABOUT IT

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Originally posted by Chief:
Some thoughts: Extracts of speech by Hafez Adv. AB Mohamed: Director Al Baraka Bank, South Africa

Demographics:
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o For every single Hindu there are two Muslims
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World Fact Book
Christians 33.32% (of which Roman Catholics 16.99%, Protestants 5.78%, Orthodox 3.53%, Anglicans 1.25%), Muslims 21.01%, Hindus 13.26%, Buddhists 5.84%, Sikhs 0.35%, Jews 0.23%, Baha'is 0.12%, other religions 11.78%, non-religious 11.77%, atheists 2.32% (2007 est.)

Muslims spend too much time arguing what is halaal and haraam, who to talk to, what to talk about, regurgitating the same stuff over and over and allowing the days to pass them by.

Also we are very busy killing each other in the middle east and Asia.

yep..we have driven a wedge between this world and the next making them incompatible...
We should realize that this world is a means to the next and choosing to be successful here does not imply doom in the next...

Recall the famous dua..."Our Lord, give us good in this world and the hereafter...etc"

I refuse to accept that Muslims are powerless. We are not, as a matter of fact I find this perception offensive.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
I refuse to accept that Muslims are powerless. We are not, as a matter of fact I find this perception offensive.

The data offered as evidence is skewed.
First of all, Muslims are not powerless.
Some of the richest people in the world are muslims. Much of Western medicine was introduced into Europe by Muslims. Every week, another mosque is being built.

The problem is not diffusing knowledge; the problem is economics, and the influence of external involvement in the politics and economies of Muslim nations.

Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, are all products of foreign manipulation of their economies. Growing population and increased poverty has more to do with increasing or diffusing the knowledge base. Western powers back dictators to rule these countries at the expense of the people.

Just look at Iraq. Can anyone tell me why Iraq was reduced to the middle ages from a thriving, developing country?

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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
I refuse to accept that Muslims are powerless. We are not, as a matter of fact I find this perception offensive.

The data offered as evidence is skewed.
First of all, Muslims are not powerless.
Some of the richest people in the world are muslims. Much of Western medicine was introduced into Europe by Muslims. Every week, another mosque is being built.

The problem is not diffusing knowledge; the problem is economics, and the influence of external involvement in the politics and economies of Muslim nations.

Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, are all products of foreign manipulation of their economies. Growing population and increased poverty has more to do with increasing or diffusing the knowledge base. Western powers back dictators to rule these countries at the expense of the people.

Just look at Iraq. Can anyone tell me why Iraq was reduced to the middle ages from a thriving, developing country?

when there is no where to turn to the rule is you blame everyone else for your plight ...lol

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Originally posted by ksazma:
Muslims spend too much time arguing what is halaal and haraam, who to talk to, what to talk about, regurgitating the same stuff over and over and allowing the days to pass them by.

if you count all the religious scientists then you will have enough number of scientist to compare against the rest of the word ....lol

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Originally posted by limer:
yep..we have driven a wedge between this world and the next making them incompatible...
We should realize that this world is a means to the next and choosing to be successful here does not imply doom in the next...

Recall the famous dua..."Our Lord, give us good in this world and the hereafter...etc"

then everyone should close them eyes and die like a rass since this world means nothing ...lol

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
I refuse to accept that Muslims are powerless. We are not, as a matter of fact I find this perception offensive.

then shoot the messenger .... and in this case its chief. .....lol lol

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Originally posted by limer:
yep..we have driven a wedge between this world and the next making them incompatible...
We should realize that this world is a means to the next and choosing to be successful here does not imply doom in the next...

Recall the famous dua..."Our Lord, give us good in this world and the hereafter...etc"

That's the key "good in this world and the hereafter".

Does the constant fighting between different factions, the killing of innocent people in market places etc, etc make it any good in this world?

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Originally posted by Pink Panther:

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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
I refuse to accept that Muslims are powerless. We are not, as a matter of fact I find this perception offensive.

The data offered as evidence is skewed.
First of all, Muslims are not powerless.
Some of the richest people in the world are muslims. Much of Western medicine was introduced into Europe by Muslims. Every week, another mosque is being built.

The problem is not diffusing knowledge; the problem is economics, and the influence of external involvement in the politics and economies of Muslim nations.

Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, are all products of foreign manipulation of their economies. Growing population and increased poverty has more to do with increasing or diffusing the knowledge base. Western powers back dictators to rule these countries at the expense of the people.

Just look at Iraq. Can anyone tell me why Iraq was reduced to the middle ages from a thriving, developing country?

when there is no where to turn to the rule is you blame everyone else for your plight ...lol

This is why American battie biting dem when Iran fart! :-))

Terry,
I am an American and believe me Iran is full of fart. It's the same type of nonsense, calling stupid bluffs, Saddam Hussein did that caused Irag to be where it is today.
Everyone knows that I am totally against this evil war however the idotic antics by Sadam helped to propel this war.
Iran should stop some of the current foolishness they are going on with, can you tell me why on earth did Ahmedijan called a conference about the holocaust.

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Originally posted by Chief:
Terry,
I am an American and believe me Iran is full of fart. It's the same type of nonsense, calling stupid bluffs, Saddam Hussein did that caused Irag to be where it is today.
Everyone knows that I am totally against this evil war however the idotic antics by Sadam helped to propel this war.
Iran should stop some of the current foolishness they are going on with, can you tell me why on earth did Ahmedijan called a conference about the holocaust.

The Iraq war was about oil bro...John Mc Cain said on the campaign trail that when he becomes President Young men and women will not have to go fight in the Middle East for oil AGAIN. It was WMD, then regime change, then operation freedom ...then freedom accomplished then what more Bush breaking and Cheney rebuilding. Stop the nonsense bro.

Since when antics are the reason for war?

Did Saddam attack any Americans or pose a threat to any Americans?

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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:
Since when antics are the reason for war?

Did Saddam attack any Americans or pose a threat to any Americans?

"AFTER ALL THIS IS THE MAN WHO TRY TO KILL MY DAD"

"CRUSADE"

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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:
Since when antics are the reason for war?

Did Saddam attack any Americans or pose a threat to any Americans?

He was bluffing! You guys have a short memory , prior to the first gulf war both Saddam and his Ministers were going on like they were the strongest nation on earth. Tariq Hassan went to the UN and make some kind of big speech that they are ready to deal with any invading force, the next thing you know when the American soldiers advance Saddam army fell like mosquitoes.

If there was any democracy in Iraq, Saddam would have had to resign however he stayed on as a bloody dictator and goaded a triger -oil thirsty President of the most powerful nation into a conflict, that today, has sad consequences not only for Iraq but the rest of the world.

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Tariq Hassan went to the UN and make some kind of big speech that they are ready to deal with any invading force, the next thing you know when the American soldiers advance Saddam army fell like mosquitoes.

Yet, the war is still on, and over 4,000 US servicemen killed, and 120,000 wounded.
The U.S. will lose the war, so Tariq was right.

It still doesn't explain why one country should wage war with another to take over their oil and convert them.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by Chief:
Terry,
I am an American and believe me Iran is full of fart. It's the same type of nonsense, calling stupid bluffs, Saddam Hussein did that caused Irag to be where it is today.
Everyone knows that I am totally against this evil war however the idotic antics by Sadam helped to propel this war.
Iran should stop some of the current foolishness they are going on with, can you tell me why on earth did Ahmedijan called a conference about the holocaust.

The Iraq war was about oil bro...John Mc Cain said on the campaign trail that when he becomes President Young men and women will not have to go fight in the Middle East for oil AGAIN. It was WMD, then regime change, then operation freedom ...then freedom accomplished then what more Bush breaking and Cheney rebuilding. Stop the nonsense bro.

the war in iraq was not about oil ..... go get your facts correct.

No, it was for WMD (:-))

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Originally posted by Chief:

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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:
Since when antics are the reason for war?

Did Saddam attack any Americans or pose a threat to any Americans?

He was bluffing! You guys have a short memory , prior to the first gulf war both Saddam and his Ministers were going on like they were the strongest nation on earth. Tariq Hassan went to the UN and make some kind of big speech that they are ready to deal with any invading force, the next thing you know when the American soldiers advance Saddam army fell like mosquitoes.

If there was any democracy in Iraq, Saddam would have had to resign however he stayed on as a bloody dictator and goaded a triger -oil thirsty President of the most powerful nation into a conflict, that today, has sad consequences not only for Iraq but the rest of the world.

Like you got a short memory too, North Korea bad man president was mouthing off like crazy, he told the US that he have stuff to meet the east coast and what did they do...they opted to go the diplomatic route. Who was bluffing more that North Korea, why didn't they go and invade them? I am surprised at your take on this issue, even the presidential candidate you support said loud and clear that this war was uncalled for.