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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:
Dar you pissin in the wind. The conjunction of the new moon did not occur when the saudi claimed that the moon was sighted.

I don't think that the saudis actually look for the moon. I know what you are speaking about Abu.On that day we might be told to go and follow the Saudis and go to them for our rewards.

WE are coming from two different perspectives. What we know is this: that the day could have occured on certain times, one at the earliest. What SOME people do is try to figure out how it is possible for the two to coincide..that a sighting and calc can coincide. The problem is that since they are not meteorologists...neither am i--they only give ONE side of the story--to suit their polemic.
There is NOTHING that says that there must be a conjunction. But getting back to the case of the beduin....we are calculating..sorry..the MOON SIGHTHING POSSE..are calculating as if they are experts in geography of the desert etc and know the light refractions, shadows that could influence the visibility of space objects. They are not. And given the choice between following scholars from Saudi Arabia/egypt/libya..all schooled in Qur'an...and USUL AL FIQH...as opposed to following some primarily south east indian trained people..I will opt for the former. The criterion in the qur'an lies on KNOWLEDGE, or PRESUMED knowledge. In that case, the saudis and their posse win.
Is it poss. they are lying? Sure. But the rule is
al asl fi'l insan al adaalat""the basic rule in humans is probity...we have to PROVE them wrong, not suspect them.

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we have to PROVE them wrong, not suspect them

why you keep pissin in the wind. if you claim to see the moon before its birth, then you wrong.

End of story.

That is scientific fact.

I repeat, nobody in Saudi saw the new moon on Sunday. THAT IS FACT.

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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:

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we have to PROVE them wrong, not suspect them

why you keep pissin in the wind. if you claim to see the moon before its birth, then you wrong.

End of story.

That is scientific fact.

I repeat, nobody in Saudi saw the new moon on Sunday. THAT IS FACT.

ah wey Dara gann ???

probably pissing ?

In E buck-taa

MY bukta wet like rass heah. Now my point is that if the moon according to astronomical calculations could have been born, then I will go with the Saudi statement..since as I noted they probably lie to justify their following the calculation....if on the other hand, they claim to have sighted the moon BEFORE even its calculated crescent...and if that is what Abu means... that is another matter and they need to be publicly censured.
I don't give a dman to begin with since as I noted, I follow the calculations...and i pointed out yesterday, the calculations are often provided for us by those who have a vested interest in pushing for sighting according to THEIR criteria...forgetting the conditions over there in the desert.

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
MY bukta wet like rass heah. Now my point is that if the moon according to astronomical calculations could have been born, then I will go with the Saudi statement..since as I noted they probably lie to justify their following the calculation....if on the other hand, they claim to have sighted the moon BEFORE even its calculated crescent...and if that is what Abu means... that is another matter and they need to be publicly censured.
I don't give a dman to begin with since as I noted, I follow the calculations...and i pointed out yesterday, the calculations are often provided for us by those who have a vested interest in pushing for sighting according to THEIR criteria...forgetting the conditions over there in the desert.

you don't care a ra$$ as far as i see..monday kan fall pan friday and Dara cood care less..yu doing the Qurbani this year paad na?? or yu don't care about this to ? :)

There is one moon..and in the same manner that ALL countries calculate Jan 1 at the same time, so it ought to be. This is not a matter of sA claiming the right..although for obvious reasons in the hajj they have that right. For CENTURIES, ulema have been arguing for CALCULATIONS....but the traditionalists don't get it.
Every nation celebrates Christmas on one of two days..that are KNOWN. So too it can be for Islam. The Jews also followed a lunar calender but they went entirely solar for observation purposes. we can do the dualism..but sighting is NOT a requisite. Again the Qur'an talks about moon..not about sighting. If we say that in the prophet's day that was the only way, agreed, then we have to see that in the qu'ran the word that ALL translate now as 'atom" was not even discovered then. So too, when we come abreast of new scientific findings, we use it.

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
There is one moon..and in the same manner that ALL countries calculate Jan 1 at the same time, so it ought to be. This is not a matter of sA claiming the right..although for obvious reasons in the hajj they have that right. For CENTURIES, ulema have been arguing for CALCULATIONS....but the traditionalists don't get it.
Every nation celebrates Christmas on one of two days..that are KNOWN. So too it can be for Islam. The Jews also followed a lunar calender but they went entirely solar for observation purposes. we can do the dualism..but sighting is NOT a requisite. Again the Qur'an talks about moon..not about sighting. If we say that in the prophet's day that was the only way, agreed, then we have to see that in the qu'ran the word that ALL translate now as 'atom" was not even discovered then. So too, when we come abreast of new scientific findings, we use it.

Bro dara, why do we pray fajir prayers before sun rise ?

hatta yatabayyanu....

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
hatta yatabayyanu....

and some say that it is like the early jewish arvit prayer.

We will be celebrating Eid on Friday, December 21st, 2007. Salaat at 8.00am

www.masjidubaidah.com

http://www.icna.org/icna/icna-news/eid-mubarak.html

ICNA's position on Eid.

U guys just vouchsafed D2's statement about organized religion a few weeks ago. Added to which we have too many "scholars" without scholarly foundation.

Heard we are having Eid on Wednesday. All I need to know the time so that I can turn up an hour late which will get me there just after they all finish patting themselves on their backs and just before the Eid prayer/khutbah.

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
U guys just vouchsafed D2's statement about organized religion a few weeks ago. Added to which we have too many "scholars" without scholarly foundation.

dis fit you like a glove bro :)

That's okay Mike. If the glove don't fit, you must acquit.
I repeat my claim though..I never met a scholar of Islamic studies or other who defeated me in an issue related to Islam.

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
That's okay Mike. If the glove don't fit, you must acquit.
I repeat my claim though..I never met a scholar of Islamic studies or other who defeated me in an issue related to Islam.

cool it dung bro..na get mad wid me man. :) yu ra$$ na meet de rite skullar yet.

Bhai..I not mad. I know you messing. The ones that I met taught me well...since u in NYC, thre is a mauritanian shaykh there..forget his name..I will try to find it..he is supposedly amazing.

I hear Faisal abdul rauf is amazing too.

ON THIS AUSPICIOUS DAY OF EID UL ADHA : GREETING GOES OUT TO ALL THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS:

SHEIKH AHMAD AL AJMY: AL IMRAN:

MAY ALLAH ACCEPTS OUR DUA, AND GIVE US THE HEALTH AND STRENGTH TO SEE ANOTHER EID UL ADHA:

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Originally posted by asj:
ON THIS AUSPICIOUS DAY OF EID UL ADHA : GREETING GOES OUT TO ALL THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS:

SHEIKH AHMAD AL AJMY: AL IMRAN:

MAY ALLAH ACCEPTS OUR DUA, AND GIVE US THE HEALTH AND STRENGTH TO SEE ANOTHER EID UL ADHA:

Ameen

What time you heding to the farm chief?

Assalaamu alaikum and Eid Mubarak to all. May Allah accept our prayers and efforts on this day as well as on other days. Ma'salaam.