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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
Posts: 2594
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Official Decision and Announcement of the High Judiciary Council of Saudi Arabia:
Since the moon of Dhul-Hijjah was sighted Sunday, December 9, 2007 evening here in Saudi Arabia, we shall be completing twenty nine (29) days of Dhul-Qi'dah, inshaa'Allaah. Subsequently, 1 Dhul-Hijjah will be Monday, 10 December 2007, and the Muslims performing Hajj will be in 'Arafah on Tuesday, December 18 (9 Dhul-Hijjah 1428), and the Muslim Ummah shall be celebrating 'Eid al-Adhaa on Wednesday, December 19, (10 Dhul-Hijjah 1428), inshaa'Allaah. Comment by Moonsighting.com: The moon was not even born on Sunday, December 9, Maghrib time in Saudi Arabia, and moon actually set 23 minutes before sun set at Makkah. |
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Elite Member Location: Homeless in New York, Lil ABC dropout!
Registered:: March 22, 1999
Posts: 24147
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December 19th. You sure?
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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
Posts: 2594
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depends on whose moon you going with.
Here in Toronto, most people go with the hilal committe which more than likely will be on Dec. 20. |
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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
Posts: 2594
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The Fiqh council has thrown their calender out of the window and is going with the saudi decision.
More confusion for all. |
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Elite Member Location: Homeless in New York, Lil ABC dropout!
Registered:: March 22, 1999
Posts: 24147
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The Iman here said the 20th, but we need to know early. I took off 2 days, 20th and 21st.
Keep me posted. |
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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
Posts: 2594
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The Hilal Committee of Metropolitan Toronto & Vicinity, based upon physical sighting of the moon with the naked eye, supported by astronomical data for the possibility of moon sighting in its designated parameter of Canada, USA & some of the Caribbean countries, announces the first of Zhul Hijjah 1428 to be on Tuesday 11 December, 2007. The Ulama & Representatives of the GTA masajid present at the meeting declared the above decision based upon a confirmed sighting in Barbados.
We hereby announce EID UL ADHA to be on THURSDAY 20 DECEMBER 2007. We wish a blessed Eid ul Adha to all, including the congregation of more than 80 Masjids and Islamic organizations who are part of the Hilaal Committee of GTA with membership across Canada. |
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Executive Member Location: Long Island
Registered:: March 27, 2001
Posts: 36209
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All you got to be stupid not to follow Saudi.
The day of Arafat is on Tuesday 9TH of Zil hajj, where millions will be making supplication and doing their Hajj, we non pilgrims has to fast on that day, then how can we say Thursday is Bakra Eid? |
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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
Posts: 2594
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Chief, there is no need to call anyone stupid or any other expletives. You are just adding to the already confusing state that we are in.
The decison by Saudi to have Eid on the Wednesday 10th of Dhul-Hijjah is based on their calculations (not actual moonsighting). The decision by others to have eid on thursday the 10 of Dhul-Hijjah is based on the actual sighting of the moon. Now, your point of Eid being the day after the day of Hajj is not based on Quran or Sunnah. It is just a nice thing to have but as the world goes, we dont get everything that we want. Again, please refrain from passing judgement without justification. |
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Executive Member Location: Long Island
Registered:: March 27, 2001
Posts: 36209
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Cool Abu.
However I am totally frustrated by this whole moon fiasco. We have to be united and we are allowing this moon thingy to divide us. This is my personal take, we should follow Saudi when it comes to the sighting of the moon. |
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Senior Member Registered:: February 28, 2005
Posts: 10449
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The Astronomical New Moon is on Sunday December 9, 2007 at 17:40 Universal Time (i.e., 12:40 pm EST, and 9:40 am PST ). This crescent moon is impossible to be seen anywhere in the world on Sunday, December 9. On Monday, December 10, 2007, it is sightable in Australia, Part of Africa, and Americas (e.g., in San Diego, CA at sunset, the age is 31 hours, and moon is setting 44 minutes after sunset). Accordingly, 10th of Dhul-Hijjah (Eidul-Adha) in North America is expected to be on Thursday, December 20, 2007, Insha-Allah
Moonsighting.com: Br. Khalid Shaukat |
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Senior Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
Posts: 12272
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IT is true that Chief's words might be harsh. ALthough knowing his sense of humor, one wonders if they are intended to be. Yet..he has a point. And once again we see the Qur'an being interpreted by those who are not schooled in it. And why Islamic thought is where it is. In this day and age, when we can pinpoint the position of the moon at any given time, we will SIGHT it? The Qur'an talksa bout the moon to be sure..but that leaves it in terms of position that need not be sighted if our calculations are exact.
Here we are, where the qur'an refers to the Jewish rank and file "min hum ummiyun la ya'lamun al kitab illa amaaniyah wa inhum illa yazunun"...telling us that the criteriion lies in scholarship. And we see in the arab world, the MUJTAHIDS to a PERSON going with calculations...but the Muslim rank and file opting for non-scholarly tradition. NO doubt the Muslims are so damn screwed up. |
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Senior Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
Posts: 12272
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Abu, LImer et al...the celebration can go over three days. So as Chief suggested, it ought not to be a matter for division.
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New Peeper Registered:: April 20, 2007
Posts: 193
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As a scholar on Islam, what is your opinion on the day of Eid? What would be your opinion on which is the best day to celebrate “Eid- al-Adhaa’ this year?? |
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New Peeper Registered:: April 20, 2007
Posts: 193
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There will always be frustration whenever we fail to follow what has been sent down for us. If this Ummah could only stick to seeing the moon as instructed, we would become better and more united as a group. |
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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
Posts: 2594
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There is real wisdom in your words my brother. May Allah reward you. When the calender was introduced last year, I was all for it. Now we see it just adds to the confusion. I say to everyone of us, that we should follow the Sunnah of the Prophet and you will see how quickly we overcome this nonsense. |
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New Peeper Registered:: April 20, 2007
Posts: 193
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Brother we were given life time guarantee on two products which will serve to protect us from mass confusion like we are experiencing today. We make these choices and these are the consequences we will have to deal with. I pray that almighty Allah grant us knowledge that will bring us closer to him. |
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Executive Member Location: Long Island
Registered:: March 27, 2001
Posts: 36209
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Ok, so which day you guys are observing bakra eid?
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Senior Member Registered:: February 28, 2005
Posts: 10449
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Thursday 20th bro...you? |
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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
Posts: 2594
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I man fast on Tuesday, abstain on Wednesday, and kill kow on Thursday.
I go with the community. |
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Senior Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
Posts: 12272
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I would follow the calculations and go with the Saudis. For several reasons, one being that the hajj has to do with topocosm as well...check it out...and the verdict was given by scholars. |
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New Peeper Registered:: April 20, 2007
Posts: 193
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Thanks bro. |
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Elite Member Location: Homeless in New York, Lil ABC dropout!
Registered:: March 22, 1999
Posts: 24147
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The Saudis are noted for their miscalculations ((:-)) In any event we are discussing this issue tonight with a group of NY Imams and will issue a date tonight. I had originally planned for the 20th, but now we have to discuss. This is why I favor local sighting. You don't have to consult with anybody. |
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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
Posts: 2594
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you are 100 percent correct. |
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Senior Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
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