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SuperMike
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Registered:: February 28, 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by limer:
Can we please stop this insanity?


Will do bro...my sallam to you and your family.
ksazma
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Location: Every action is judged by intention - Muhammad
Registered:: April 04, 2005
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
I am praying to the God you claim didn't exist....who do you pray to ?????


I never claimed that God does not exist. I stated that no one can prove it. So far, no one here has proven it. What proof do you have that the God you are praying to exist?

I pray to the God that I BELIEVE exists.

There is a difference between belief and proof. Something you keep missing which has caused you to keep going around in circles for many weeks now.
Abu Jihad
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Originally posted by ksazma:
quote:
Originally posted by SuperMike:
I am praying to the God you claim didn't exist....who do you pray to ?????


I never claimed that God does not exist. I stated that no one can prove it. So far, no one here has proven it. What proof do you have that the God you are praying to exist?

I pray to the God that I BELIEVE exists.

There is a difference between belief and proof. Something you keep missing which has caused you to keep going around in circles for many weeks now.


Dara pointed us in the direction of the book "The reconstruction of Islamic Thought" by Muhammad Iqbal.

The book is available in PDF format with a simple Google search.

The least you can do is read the darn thing and make some constructive arguments.
ksazma
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Dara pointed us in the direction of the book "The reconstruction of Islamic Thought" by Muhammad Iqbal.

The book is available in PDF format with a simple Google search.

The least you can do is read the darn thing and make some constructive arguments.


In that case, you might wish to list one proof that God exist. Think that you can do better than the others? Until you do, keep your anger to yourself since you have a habit of labeling Muslims as non-Muslims. Thanks.
ksazma
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I can clearly state that no Muslim here has and can prove that the God they believe in exist. Therefore, Muslims should refrain from criticizing, attacking and commenting on that which others believe in and worship. Here, Muslims can learn a lot from Hindus. End of discussion.

Unless a Muslim can show a tangible proof of what they claim. Until then, all the other comments, criticizms, and condemnations are baseless and only make Muslims seem clueless, arrogant and intolerant.
Terry Ishmael
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Location: Homeless in New York, Lil ABC dropout!
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What you mean by tangible?
By seeing God?
ksazma
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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:
What you mean by tangible?
By seeing God?


I used the word tangible to help out the situation. Infact, Muslims argument for the things that they believe in is no better or worst than what others believe in. Belief is the operative word here. The same belief as all the other people that inhabit this earth. Most of us were born in the lifestyle that we live. Through time, we solidify it through personal experiances. Each one of us see these comforts, trials, etc. as the reward of what we do. So I cannot claim that what I do is correct because I feel certain comfort from it because someone from another belief will counter that they feel similar comfort from that which they do. They may even counter that if Islam is peaceful and Muslim are peaceful and receive comfort from their prayer, why then do they leave the Jumuah salaah and go start a riot or blow up a place? So my position is that we should keep our beliefs to ourselves and practice it the way we understand it. Especially since we see so many imaams misleading their gatherings every day. I myself have seen where people imaam misquote the Qur'an for monetary and other benefits.

This whole charade began when whats his name was suggesting that God was punishing innocent poeple because the American government was rewarding the Palestinians at the expense of the Israelis. He claims that everytime any American official negotiates with the Palestinians God cause some tragedy in America. So I was trying to demonstrate to him that God does not punish the innocent for the evil actions of others.

But apparently because I had already expressed disdain by those whack job Muslims who were hurting their families and their communities, SuperMike decided that he was going to kick my ass. Well, he tried anyway. He should have just stayed out of that discussion. BUT HE IS STILL STRUGGLING WITH ANSWERING A VERY BASIC QUESTION. ONE THAT MUSLIMS LIKE TO BELIEVE ELEVATES THEM ABOVE OTHERS. STILL WAITING.
duckers
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I believe in money on the money that I have it is written In God We Trust.
SuperMike
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Originally posted by ksazma:
quote:
Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:
What you mean by tangible?
By seeing God?


I used the word tangible to help out the situation. Infact, Muslims argument for the things that they believe in is no better or worst than what others believe in. Belief is the operative word here. The same belief as all the other people that inhabit this earth. Most of us were born in the lifestyle that we live. Through time, we solidify it through personal experiances. Each one of us see these comforts, trials, etc. as the reward of what we do. So I cannot claim that what I do is correct because I feel certain comfort from it because someone from another belief will counter that they feel similar comfort from that which they do. They may even counter that if Islam is peaceful and Muslim are peaceful and receive comfort from their prayer, why then do they leave the Jumuah salaah and go start a riot or blow up a place? So my position is that we should keep our beliefs to ourselves and practice it the way we understand it. Especially since we see so many imaams misleading their gatherings every day. I myself have seen where people imaam misquote the Qur'an for monetary and other benefits.

This whole charade began when whats his name was suggesting that God was punishing innocent poeple because the American government was rewarding the Palestinians at the expense of the Israelis. He claims that everytime any American official negotiates with the Palestinians God cause some tragedy in America. So I was trying to demonstrate to him that God does not punish the innocent for the evil actions of others.

But apparently because I had already expressed disdain by those whack job Muslims who were hurting their families and their communities, SuperMike decided that he was going to kick my ass. Well, he tried anyway. He should have just stayed out of that discussion. BUT HE IS STILL STRUGGLING WITH ANSWERING A VERY BASIC QUESTION. ONE THAT MUSLIMS LIKE TO BELIEVE ELEVATES THEM ABOVE OTHERS. STILL WAITING.


I am struggling ??? I prefer to struggle here in this dunnyah. You worry about your strugglings and about worshipping a God that dosen't exist. Keep waiting....yu own fart will wake you up. Dara send me 20 piece of jaa- ray claat so me can wuk pan this mad man Ksa.
Chief
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Registered:: March 27, 2001
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Kaz really need to be Jaaray.
Abu Jihad
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Originally posted by Chief:
Kaz really need to be Jaaray.


We can all agree upon one thing at least:):):)
dara shikoh
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Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
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Y'all prappa baderation I tell you. i referred you guys to a book by iqbal...and I think Abu gave the link.Y'all arguing from different positions...SuperM is ontological and represents the classical theological argument. Kaz you going the philosophical argumentation route. Instead of doing that which cannot be reconciled, why de rass y'all don't buy some sirnee, curry some goat, and send it down to san diego for a pore fullaman to eat?
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