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An American gift: A new tradition in Islamic thinking
M.A. MUQTEDAR KHAN

PERSPECTIVE

WEST SUSSEX, England -- American foreign policy sins are numerous and some are even unforgivable, like the invasion of Iraq -- based on false accusations -- which has resulted in much death and destruction. But to judge America by its neo-conservative foreign policy would be like judging Islam by what some radical, violence-prone Muslims have done around the world -- it would be grossly unfair.

There is more, much more to America than its imprudent foreign policy in the Muslim world.

America contributes to maintaining the global order and has created and sustained some of the most important institutions of the international system, such as the United Nations and the World Bank.

In recent years, U.S. foreign policy has resulted in billions of dollars of tsunami relief in Southeast Asia, earthquake assistance in Pakistan and economic and development aid across Muslim lands.

The United States is the biggest foreign aid donor to the Muslim World.

In the past, the United States has also intervened militarily on behalf of Muslims in Bosnia, Somalia, Kosovo and Kuwait.

On the domestic front, the United States is one of the best places to live on the planet, according to many.

People from all over the Muslim world apply, in the millions, for visas to come to the US (even after 9/11) in search of a better future.

Yet hardly any indigenous American Muslims are seeking to migrate to predominantly-Muslim countries to improve their lives. The United States, and not any one of the 55 Muslim nations, is the No. 1 choice of Muslims for permanent relocation.

I have been living in the United States since 1992, when I arrived here from India.

America took in a young man from a developing nation and after eight years of schooling, graduated an active Muslim scholar who has testified to the U.S. Senate on foreign affairs, debated Bill Clinton in person and Vladimir Putin in writing, advised Prince Charles, held prolonged chats with Sadiq Al Mahdi, shaken hands with King Abdullah and Emir Hamad bin Khalifah, and had dinner with Benazir Bhutto. One recent afternoon I had lunch with the grand Mufti of Egypt, Shaykh Ali Gomaa, in a castle in the south of England.

Even when I was a poor graduate student, and now as an active scholar, I have been truly living my dream. Because of the political and religious freedoms I enjoy in the United States, I am able to practice Islam at the highest level -- that of fikr, or reflection.

I publish extensively, lecture and communicate my ideas widely through the media. Muslim scholars have always maintained that true happiness comes from the pursuit and dissemination of knowledge, and I found this to be the case in America.

My life as a public intellectual is enabled by America's intellectual environment, its great universities and, above all, its open public sphere in which I participate wholeheartedly, without fear or hesitation. I am neither alone nor the most important beneficiary of American culture.

America has in recent years produced and/or nurtured many good and extraordinarily insightful Muslim thinkers, like Seyyed Hossein Nasr, Fazlur Rahman, Ismael Farruqi, Khaled Abou el Fadl, Sherman Jackson, Asma Afsaruddin, Sohail Hashmi, Azizah al Hibri, Taha Al-Alwani, Sulayman Nyang, Louay Safi, Akber Ahmad, Maher Hathout, Abdullah an-Naim, Ingrid Matteson and Amina Wadud, to list but a few whose names come to mind readily. America has also produced noteworthy Muslim spiritual leaders who enjoy widespread appeal, way beyond America's borders.

The likes of Shaykh Hamza Yusuf are creating a uniquely American tradition in Islamic spirituality. American Muslim initiatives such as the American Journal of Islamic Social Sciences have not only inspired research in the Muslim world but have become the gold standard in Muslim scholarship.

Today, one can talk about an American tradition in Islamic thinking. Like America itself, it may be short on history but it is also rich, powerful, with global reach and profound impact.

American foreign policy may have perpetrated many injustices against Muslims, but its gift of scholars and scholarship to Islam and Muslims that has allowed Islamic thinking to re-emerge and thrive is indeed priceless.


M.A. Muqtedar Khan is an assistant professor at the University of Delaware and a Senior Non-Resident Fellow with the Saban Center at the Brookings Institution. He is the author of "American Muslims: Bridging Faith and Freedom" and his Web site is Ijtihad.org.
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Damn. Can't argue with this guy. Big up.
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America contributes to maintaining the global order and has created and sustained some of the most important institutions of the international system, such as the United Nations and the World Bank.


I disagree with this but point taken in the context of the article.
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The United States is the biggest foreign aid donor to the Muslim World.


What is the net result of plundering vs aid.
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This guy is one of my favourite scholars.

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In the past, the United States has also intervened militarily on behalf of Muslims in Bosnia, Somalia, Kosovo and Kuwait.



He should have also mentioned the military aid that the US gave to the Muhajadeen to fight off the Russians only to have those ungrateful pigs form Al Qaeda to kill innocent American citizens.
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But Mr. Andre: u forgetting the hogs that the US and Canada allow to live within their borders that preach Jihadism..every so subtly...without education, ethics, or examination of the self...while not losing a moment to berate the countries that give them succour, seeking to impose their artificial, recently acquired medieval, created, imagined arab culture on western nations that have more islam in them than all of the bastions of the religion.
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In the past, the United States has also intervened militarily on behalf of Muslims in Bosnia, Somalia, Kosovo and Kuwait.



He should have also mentioned the military aid that the US gave to the Muhajadeen to fight off the Russians only to have those ungrateful pigs form Al Qaeda to kill innocent American citizens.
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God bless America !!!
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Forgot who it was...but he said he found more islam in france and no muslims, and found muslims in egypt but no islam. foodpholourie for thought
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God bless America !!!
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Forgot who it was...but he said he found more islam in france and no muslims, and found muslims in egypt but no islam. foodpholourie for thought
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God bless America !!!


The grand mufti of Egypt, he didnt hear about you thats why those comments.

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But Mr. Andre: u forgetting the hogs that the US and Canada allow to live within their borders that preach Jihadism..every so subtly...without education, ethics, or examination of the self...while not losing a moment to berate the countries that give them succour, seeking to impose their artificial, recently acquired medieval, created, imagined arab culture on western nations that have more islam in them than all of the bastions of the religion.
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In the past, the United States has also intervened militarily on behalf of Muslims in Bosnia, Somalia, Kosovo and Kuwait.



He should have also mentioned the military aid that the US gave to the Muhajadeen to fight off the Russians only to have those ungrateful pigs form Al Qaeda to kill innocent American citizens.


Bhai, I ain't fuhget dem. I mention dose leeches a few weeks ago and some jihadists here got so angry that one ah dem was trying to invoke his Allah to strike me down wit a heart attack or a fatal disease.

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Which one yuh mean? Gentle Jesus or Allah? :-))
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Which one yuh mean? Gentle Jesus or Allah? :-))
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Which one yuh mean? Gentle Jesus or Allah? :-))


Who is Gentle Jesus' God?

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Which one yuh mean? Gentle Jesus or Allah? :-))


Who is Gentle Jesus' God?


Gentle Jesus is God for the majority of Americans so it would be logical to think that if they worship Him and pray to Him then He is the one blessing them.
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Which one yuh mean? Gentle Jesus or Allah? :-))


Who is Gentle Jesus' God?


Gentle Jesus is God for the majority of Americans so it would be logical to think that if they worship Him and pray to Him then He is the one blessing them.


Meh dint ask yuh wuh is Merica's Gad bai. Meh ask yuh wuh is Gentle Jesus's Gad? :)

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Which one yuh mean? Gentle Jesus or Allah? :-))


Who is Gentle Jesus' God?


Gentle Jesus is God for the majority of Americans so it would be logical to think that if they worship Him and pray to Him then He is the one blessing them.


Meh dint ask yuh wuh is Merica's Gad bai. Meh ask yuh wuh is Gentle Jesus's gad? :)


And I told you - Gentle Jesus is God for some people, as Allah is God for some people and Satan is God for some people and Krishna is God for some people and a monkey is God for some people and some people worship a stone, a cow, a pig. To each his own.
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Which one yuh mean? Gentle Jesus or Allah? :-))


Who is Gentle Jesus' God?


Gentle Jesus is God for the majority of Americans so it would be logical to think that if they worship Him and pray to Him then He is the one blessing them.


Meh dint ask yuh wuh is Merica's Gad bai. Meh ask yuh wuh is Gentle Jesus's gad? :)


And I told you - Gentle Jesus is God for some people, as Allah is God for some people and Satan is God for some people and Krishna is God for some people and a monkey is God for some people and some people worship a stone, a cow, a pig. To each his own.


dis can turn into wan who is on first, whats on secand routine.
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And I told you - Gentle Jesus is God for some people, as Allah is God for some people and Satan is God for some people and Krishna is God for some people and a monkey is God for some people and some people worship a stone, a cow, a pig. To each his own.


I agree with your statement above. I was wondering if you know that God is Jesus' God? See the following passages from the King James Version of Matthew 19;

16: And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18: He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19: Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20: The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21: Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22: But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23: Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24: And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.


Damn. Now I have to worry about my six figures income. :) :)

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And I told you - Gentle Jesus is God for some people, as Allah is God for some people and Satan is God for some people and Krishna is God for some people and a monkey is God for some people and some people worship a stone, a cow, a pig. To each his own.


I agree with your statement above. I was wondering if you know that God is Jesus' God? See the following passages from the King James Version of Matthew 19;

16: And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18: He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19: Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20: The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21: Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22: But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23: Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24: And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.


Damn. Now I have to worry about my six figures income. :) :)


No, I don't know that God is Jesus' God because I don't believe in that as I don't believe in Allah, Krishna, Satan or any other God. Christians put their faith in Jesus based on how they interpret their Bible in totality not in any selected verse like one that you have pulled out. Christianity has the most followers as a religion than any other on the planet. To me, they are free to believe whoever they want to be their God just as you are free to believe a complete stranger, dead for centuries, who went into a cave and came back telling people that God gave him words to spread with his followers. The same way that Muslims believe that they can cast out the devil by throwing some rocks at some more rocks. Would you believe me if I went into a cave and came back telling you that God gave me an addendum to add to your Koran? So what makes you believe another man who you've never met, dead for centuries now? You just happen to be indoctrinated into the Muslim faith as a child by your ancestors and programmed to believe in this philosophy. If you were indoctrinated into the Christian faith as a child and programmed to believe in that then you would more likely have been a Christian today. It has nothing to do with logic or proof of which God is the right God but what you've been socialized into believing. Most people follow the religion of their ancestors with some exceptions.
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And I told you - Gentle Jesus is God for some people, as Allah is God for some people and Satan is God for some people and Krishna is God for some people and a monkey is God for some people and some people worship a stone, a cow, a pig. To each his own.


I agree with your statement above. I was wondering if you know that God is Jesus' God? See the following passages from the King James Version of Matthew 19;

16: And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18: He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19: Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20: The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21: Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22: But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23: Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24: And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.


Damn. Now I have to worry about my six figures income. :) :)


No, I don't know that God is Jesus' God because I don't believe in that as I don't believe in Allah, Krishna, Satan or any other God. Christians put their faith in Jesus based on how they interpret their Bible in totality not in any selected verse like one that you have pulled out. Christianity has the most followers as a religion than any other on the planet. To me, they are free to believe whoever they want to be their God just as you are free to believe a complete stranger, dead for centuries, who went into a cave and came back telling people that God gave him words to spread with his followers. The same way that Muslims believe that they can cast out the devil by throwing some rocks at some more rocks. Would you believe me if I went into a cave and came back telling you that God gave me an addendum to add to your Koran? So what makes you believe another man who you've never met, dead for centuries now? You just happen to be indoctrinated into the Muslim faith as a child by your ancestors and programmed to believe in this philosophy. If you were indoctrinated into the Christian faith as a child and programmed to believe in that then you would more likely have been a Christian today. It has nothing to do with logic or proof of which God is the right God but what you've been socialized into believing. Most people follow the religion of their ancestors with some exceptions.


It is not what you or I or anyone else believe or not believe in. It is dealing with the passage that I listed from Matthews about what Jesus believe in. He said that he is not good. That ONLY God is good. He didn't even say that He is not gooder as in he has some/any good. He corrected the guy for calling him Good Master focussing on the word good as something that he did not wish associated with him.

You and I and all have our individual beliefs and I support your and everyone else right to believe or not believe whatever you/they wish as much as I support my right to do the same. I was really focussing in what/who Gentle Jesus believe is God.

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And I told you - Gentle Jesus is God for some people, as Allah is God for some people and Satan is God for some people and Krishna is God for some people and a monkey is God for some people and some people worship a stone, a cow, a pig. To each his own.


I agree with your statement above. I was wondering if you know that God is Jesus' God? See the following passages from the King James Version of Matthew 19;

16: And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18: He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19: Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20: The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21: Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22: But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. <