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Thousands of Iranian women have been cautioned over their poor Islamic dress this week and several hundred arrested in the capital Tehran in the most fierce crackdown on what's known as "bad hijab" for more than a decade.

It is the talk of the town. The latest police crackdown on Islamic dress has angered many Iranians - male, female, young and old.

But Iranian TV has reported that an opinion poll conducted in Tehran found 86% of people were in favour of the crackdown - a statistic that is surprising given the strength of feeling against this move.

Police cars are stationed outside major shopping centres in Tehran.

They are stopping pedestrians and even cars - warning female drivers not to show any hair - and impounding the vehicles and arresting the women if they argue back.

Middle-aged women, foreign tourists and journalists have all been harassed, not just the young and fashionably dressed.

Individual choice

Overnight the standard of what is acceptable dress has slipped back.

Hard-won freedoms - like the right to wear a colourful headscarf - have been snatched away.

It may sound trivial but Iranian women have found ways of expressing their individuality and returning to drab colours like black, grey and dark blue is not something they will accept easily.

"If we want to do something we will do it anyway, all this is total nonsense," says a young girl, heavily made up and dressed up.

She believes Islamic dress should be something personal - whether you're swathed in a black chador or dressed in what she calls "more normal clothes".

Interestingly many women who choose to wear the all enveloping chador agree - saying it's a personal choice and shouldn't be forced on people.

"This year is much worse than before because the newspapers and the TV have given the issue a lot of coverage compared to last year; it wasn't this bad before," says Shabnam who's out shopping with her friend.

Permission denied

At the start of every summer the police say they will enforce the Islamic dress code, but this year has been unusually harsh.

Thousands of women have been cautioned by police over their dress, some have been obliged to sign statements that they will do better in the future, and some face court cases against them.

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Even shop mannequins considered "too revealing" are dealt with

Though the authorities want coverage internally to scare women - they don't want the story broadcast abroad.

The BBC's cameraman was detained when he tried to film the police at work and the government denied us permission to go on patrol with the police.

"Really we don't have any security," complains Shabam's friend Leyla.

"Since we came out this morning many people we met have continuously warned us to be careful about our headscarves and to wear them further forward because they are arresting women who are dressed like this," she says.

Boutique owners are furious. Some shops have been sealed - others warned not to sell tight revealing clothing.

One shopkeeper selling evening dresses told us the moral police had ordered him to saw off the breasts of his mannequins because they were too revealing.

He said he wasn't the only shop to receive this strange instruction.

Respect

There's even been less traffic on the streets because some women are not venturing out - fearful they will be harassed.

And it's not even safe in a car. Taxi agencies have received a circular warning them not to carry a "bad hijabi".

"They have said we shouldn't carry passengers who wear bad Islamic dress and if we do we have to warn them to respect the Islamic dress code even inside the car," said one taxi driver.

And it's not just women who are being targeted this year.

Young men are being cautioned for wearing short sleeved shirts or for their hairstyles.

Morad - a hairdresser whose gelled hair is made to stand straight up - says it's necessary for him to look like this to attract customers.

"These last few days I don't dare walk down the main roads looking like this case I get arrested," he says.

"I use the side streets and alleys."

Morad is scared because his friends have told him they've seen the police seize young men and forcibly cut their hair if it's too long.

Fifteen-year-old Tofiq who'd also gelled his hair to stand on end said he too was afraid but he wasn't going to change.

"I want the whole world to know that they oppress us and all we can do is put up with it," he said.

Some parents have complained that harassing the young over their clothing will only push them to leave the country.

But one MP has said those Iranians who cannot cope with Islamic laws should leave.

Some commentators have suggested that the government is conducting this crackdown to distract attention from the rising cost of living in Iran and increasing tension with the international community over the nuclear issue.

If so, it's a strategy that risks alienating people who've got used to years of relative social freedom and do not want to return to the early days of the revolution when dress rules were much more tightly enforced.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6596933.stm

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"But one MP has said those Iranians who cannot cope with Islamic laws should leave."

Exactly!
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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:
"But one MP has said those Iranians who cannot cope with Islamic laws should leave."

Exactly!


then the mulsims who cannot cope with the western law should leave
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Some western schools don't allow the hijab anyway. They say, if the girls don't like it, go back to where they come from.
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Some western schools don't allow the hijab anyway. They say, if the girls don't like it, go back to where they come from.


but they aint want to go back
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Originally posted by Aragorn:
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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:
"But one MP has said those Iranians who cannot cope with Islamic laws should leave."

Exactly!


then the mulsims who cannot cope with the western law should leave


Thats not the way it works. One is a THEOCRACY. IT is tyrannical no doubt. IT makes its constitution dependent on RELIGIOUS LAW however idiotic.
ANother is supposedly a secular country where supposedly the freedom of religion is a given...they have to learn this, they don't have to leave. Although I do agree that if they cannot accept freedom to do as one wishes, they should leave.
BTW: Islamic law states that one's contract is binding. So when one accepts to live in the West, and says s/he will obey the laws, that is precisely what it means. If a few don't like it, then let them be recognized as such...not as "all Muslims' No more that the SOuthern baptists and Moral Majority get seen as all xian (although once again, I point out that they are the powerful christian voice.).
Might I point out that the FEDERAL GOVT intervened to protect a cross when atheists in San Diego said that if the govt. says religious symbols are not part of gov. function, and won a court case to remove the cross as a symbol of a WW11 victory? That shows our govt. is not being honest in the sepa. between chruch and state, and that we are rapidly moving towards a de facto theocracy.
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what you are trying to tell me is that this is like new found freedom for muslims from ME living in the west.
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Nope. U are struggling to deny that we claim a secular democracy and have in fact a christian theocracy. Muslims are simply observing a new slavelord. True there is a sort of freedom..as long as it involves denying THEIR religious rights.
I notice that we are only focusing on Muslim extremists....not on Christian extremists. Last time I checked Muslims in the Us were not murdering abortionist doctors. Dare we take a poll to see the statistics of how many Muslims have slaughtered Muslims in the US, and how many Doctors have been killed by anti-abortionist chritians? Or the Reconstructionist christian philosphy..right here in the US/ Oops..I forgot..that stuff is not reported in the media.
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Originally posted by Aragorn:
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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:
Some western schools don't allow the hijab anyway. They say, if the girls don't like it, go back to where they come from.


but they aint want to go back

I am opposed to the hijab. But what RIGHT does any SECULAR democracy have to tell a woman to do away with the hijab? ARe we living in a theocracy? The very basis of a secular democracy is where there is absolute freedom to believe what one wants to without government interference. Why does the government no go around denying the wearing of crucifixes? Let us not confuse the issues. the US prides itself on its' democracy" But it invaded Lebanon in the 50's and changed the constitution to allow for a christian president. So much for western secularism.
I will always stand against Islamic fanaticism, but that does not mean I will justify another type.
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Several things are apparent from these posts, and they are noted with no malice. And having said this, I will forego answering:
1. Some are entering topics into which they do not have the requisite research to pontificate.
2. Some Muslims are trying to sound "moderate" by criticizing Islam. In many cases, the critique is genuine. In some cases, it is the subliminal reaction to peer pressure. To which I say, My life, my death, my rituals, my all are for the lord of the worlds.
3. Criticism of religion is valid..in which case all of them are culpable...and when we single out Muslims without considering their present political situation on a global scale, without consideration of hte murder of the chechyns, the bosnians, the afghans, the iraqis...we are answerable to our conscience for one, but for those of us who believe in a divine, to God.
Nuff said. Peace.
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