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Originally posted by Reds:

you are just sticking up for the man cause hes a fullah. had it been a white man..you woulda seh "hang em high!"

Once a gain you are missing the point.
I am not defending the man , I am defending the attack on my religion , when the news media used the hijab as the sole reason for the murder.

Here I thought hijab was a head wear, now I see it is a religion.

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Originally posted by raymond:

well..they do need news

not at the expense of Islam and muslims.

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Originally posted by bird:
Here I thought hijab was a head wear, now I see it is a religion.

Jehovah Witnness wear the hijab.

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Originally posted by Chief:

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Originally posted by bird:
Here I thought hijab was a head wear, now I see it is a religion.

Jehovah Witnness wear the hijab.

when? the ones that come to my door arent covering their heads.

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Originally posted by Reds:


when? the ones that come to my door arent covering their heads.

I thought that you does send your brothers to open the door when a witnees comes to your door.

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Originally posted by Chief:

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Originally posted by Reds:


when? the ones that come to my door arent covering their heads.

I thought that you does send your brothers to open the door when a witnees comes to your door.

regardless they aint covering their head..

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Originally posted by Reds:
regardless they aint covering their head..

you giving me a good laff this afternoon.

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Originally posted by krishna:

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Originally posted by Cher:
I personally don't think ANY religion is worth more than a human's life. Religion is meant to be a guideline to a human's life not a human life itself and that's MY opinion.

is this cher? or someone gat ur password?

is cher, truss me on dat one

STEUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPS!

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Originally posted by Chief:

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Originally posted by bird:
Here I thought hijab was a head wear, now I see it is a religion.

Jehovah Witnness wear the hijab.

yeah I love the nuts/nuns outfits!

Two Hijabi mafia nearly run me over in Costco today.

When I look around was too nice old nuns.

I wanted to run after them and shout saying, when you come to the whiteman country, you should dress like them. Dont bring you old country schupidness hea. Wa you a cova you head fa.

I think ayyo people need fu tek two whiz and chill.

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Originally posted by Reds:

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
Reds: how is chief or anyone to KNOW...KNOW..it is b/c of the hijab. It might be in the end..but at this point, we DON"T KNOW. except that the father was an a/hole and acted maniacally. We know NOTHING of the girl (not that that would justify anything), we know NOTHING of his mental state, we KNOW nothing except what the media has put...and which is as CHIEF pointed out, at odds with the less sensationalist police release. I can't respond..gone for tiday.

you need to relax...cause i know you for one would not force your pickney to wear the hijab or force them how to act in public.

That's not the point. Once again, it is not a matter of how anyone would behave. It is a matter of pre-trial judgment based on media refraction. We all seem to want to appear more human by condemning an obviously evil outcome...but that does not mean we have the right to pass judgment on things we are not qualified to do. The Scripture..and indeed ALL scriptures support this "O ye who believe! If a fasiq (and the media certain is this) comes to you with news, verify it (in the arabic it is a very strong word..tabayyanu..beyond the shadow of a doubt) lest you afflict a people out of ignorance and then afterwards regret.
NOt for you, but for the other readers, for the umpteenth time..I am not justifying idiot brain for what he did...but I am concerned about this rush to judgment that it was INTENTIONAL. There is a difference..one makes the man a cold blooded murderer, the other makes him guilty of manslaughter. In Islamic and western law, there are dire consequences for this differentiation.
I am happy to see that from your posts, you do not seem to know the meaning of maniacal anger. That is good. Unfortunately, by experience and by the study of law, I do. So I tread gingerly where it comes to judging.
As for the haters, well..JC said "judge not lest ye be judged."ENd of that.

OH yeah..reds..thanks for acknowledging that I would not force my gyals to wear hijab or act a certain way in public. But I am still not certain, until the nman so states that the matter was related to hijab wearing. As for behavior, I must confess that if my child acts like a crapola in public, some screameration will happen. And if she chooses to wear hijab, based on what I teach her, I must confess that will be cause for a real guyanese screamdown. At the risk of offending some pious Muslims, I state that I do not support the sartorial mode in the west.

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Originally posted by raymond:

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Originally posted by Chief:

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Originally posted by raymond:

stop defending the father

never heard of innocent until proven guilty?

Some of you need to read up on Lionel Luckhoo.

he confessed..he say he killed the girl...cause he Muslim, suddenly he innocent until guilty, ayuh rass need some good balata wood in ayuh head

jeeeezzz...stop defending murder

Geez this gets denser by the nanosecond..who said the father is innocent? No one..least of all me..and I assume chief..is claiming innocence. It is just..and this is ESPECIALLY for the Muslims...the alacrity in judgment seems to be in total disregard of whatever ethics we are taught in jumping to conclusions. THere is, lemme point out..hopefully for the last time..a big difference between homicide and manslaughter. There is a big differene if indeed he killed for hijah as opposed to some other reason.
As for why we choose to believe OTHER than hijab: because the law is that the evidence, not unreliable witnesses, has to prove that. THus far, this has not been done. If it comes out that it was the hijab, fine and dandy.
This thing is being gotayed simply because some people are so blasted stuck in their unqualified opinions that they refuse to listen.
If we must go islamic..the law is as I noted in my response to Reds. Prove me wrong or accept it since I will not lie about my religion.

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I am not justifying idiot brain for what he did...but I am concerned about this rush to judgment that it was INTENTIONAL.

all parent/parents main responsibility is to nutures and raise an offspring, that we all know, mothers goes into labour and give birth, and produces milk to the child. The father on the other hand takes on the intrinsic role. In this particular case , it seems like the father took complete control of his daugther's life.

neither one of us were there, we can only assumed that she probably "give him back answers" in an assumed arugment, and he snapped and intentionally hit/hurt her. I mean, what was he thinking while choking her? im pretty sure she was crying out, and in his Conscious mind,the intentions was to kill her!

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he confessed..he say he killed the girl...cause he Muslim, suddenly he innocent until guilty, ayuh rass need some good balata wood in ayuh head

jeeeezzz...stop defending murder

it's call anticipation, neither MYSELF NOR CHIEF read the other articles until julie posted them....

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But I am still not certain, until the nman so states that the matter was related to hijab wearing.

while the particular situation may NOT be directly related to hijab wearing or religion, alot of speculation though?psychologically, Aqsa's father may have had his preconceived notions of what he wanted his daugther to become/ wear/ etc etc...

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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:
Two Hijabi mafia nearly run me over in Costco today.

When I look around was too nice old nuns.

That's the trouble with angels babe

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Originally posted by Bulbulee:

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I am not justifying idiot brain for what he did...but I am concerned about this rush to judgment that it was INTENTIONAL.

all parent/parents main responsibility is to nutures and raise an offspring, that we all know, mothers goes into labour and give birth, and produces milk to the child. The father on the other hand takes on the intrinsic role. In this particular case , it seems like the father took complete control of his daugther's life.

neither one of us were there, we can only assumed that she probably "give him back answers" in an assumed arugment, and he snapped and intentionally hit/hurt her. I mean, what was he thinking while choking her? im pretty sure she was crying out, and in his Conscious mind,the intentions was to kill her!

Neither one of us was there..good.
I'm pretty sure:;that is not a statment one accepts in court.
And how does one KNOW that in his concsious mind he wanted to kill her? I am leaving this..this is getting to the point of inanity.
I already asked how do we KNOW anything of the matter. And the word is indicative of the epistemological ramifications involved. KNOWLEDGe is not by assumption. It seems as if you guys just want to write for whatever reason. Good luck...and some of you need to employ villo when he sobers up to teach you not only about the legal process, but about reaching conclusions.
As for those of you whose statements I just saw about defending him because he is a fulla; I can't speak for chief..but my retort is that it would seem that some of you are trying to appear civilized by dumping on him precisely because he is, and that because you are of the same religious identity, your preemptive conviction will somehow make you more accepted by the hoi polloi. Think again.
G'night.

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:

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Originally posted by Bulbulee:

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I am not justifying idiot brain for what he did...but I am concerned about this rush to judgment that it was INTENTIONAL.

all parent/parents main responsibility is to nutures and raise an offspring, that we all know, mothers goes into labour and give birth, and produces milk to the child. The father on the other hand takes on the intrinsic role. In this particular case , it seems like the father took complete control of his daugther's life.

neither one of us were there, we can only assumed that she probably "give him back answers" in an assumed arugment, and he snapped and intentionally hit/hurt her. I mean, what was he thinking while choking her? im pretty sure she was crying out, and in his Conscious mind,the intentions was to kill her!

Neither one of us was there..good.
I'm pretty sure:;that is not a statment one accepts in court.
And how does one KNOW that in his concsious mind he wanted to kill her? I am leaving this..this is getting to the point of inanity.
I already asked how do we KNOW anything of the matter. And the word is indicative of the epistemological ramifications involved. KNOWLEDGe is not by assumption. It seems as if you guys just want to write for whatever reason. Good luck...and some of you need to employ villo when he sobers up to teach you not only about the legal process, but about reaching conclusions.
As for those of you whose statements I just saw about defending him because he is a fulla; I can't speak for chief..but my retort is that it would seem that some of you are trying to appear civilized by dumping on him precisely because he is, and that because you are of the same religious identity, your preemptive conviction will somehow make you more accepted by the hoi polloi. Think again.
G'night.

Good luck to you and other's who wanna jump to conclusion in legal procedures, while it would take a knowlegable prosecutors to deal with this particular case...it will also takes a strong defended lawyer,...hurting someone to the extent, where their pulse is mute then making a call to 911, and to top it off: says in your conscious mind that " youjust killed your daughter" ...welll let's wait and see the verdict!

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:



That's not the point. Once again, it is not a matter of how anyone would behave. It is a matter of pre-trial judgment based on media refraction. We all seem to want to appear more human by condemning an obviously evil outcome...but that does not mean we have the right to pass judgment on things we are not qualified to do. The Scripture..and indeed ALL scriptures support this "O ye who believe! If a fasiq (and the media certain is this) comes to you with news, verify it (in the arabic it is a very strong word..tabayyanu..beyond the shadow of a doubt) lest you afflict a people out of ignorance and then afterwards regret.
NOt for you, but for the other readers, for the umpteenth time..I am not justifying idiot brain for what he did...but I am concerned about this rush to judgment that it was INTENTIONAL. There is a difference..one makes the man a cold blooded murderer, the other makes him guilty of manslaughter. In Islamic and western law, there are dire consequences for this differentiation.
I am happy to see that from your posts, you do not seem to know the meaning of maniacal anger. That is good. Unfortunately, by experience and by the study of law, I do. So I tread gingerly where it comes to judging.
As for the haters, well..JC said "judge not lest ye be judged."ENd of that.

Deep!!!!

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The Scripture..and indeed ALL scriptures support this "O ye who believe!

The scriptures are the scriptures, THE LAWS ARE THE LAWS!

If you are cruel, hot tempered or stingy, try your best to take this out (of yourself). If you pray to God to take this out (FOR YOU) DO YOU THINK GOD CAN DO THAT ??? dara you must be able to take the negative elements away...Peace also comes from your minds/heart/souls...are they created by heavean or by gods???

they have now put a publication ban on the legal proceedings.

Mother called `inconsolable' at daughter's death; her husband is accused and a son is also behind bars

Dec 13, 2007 04:30 AM
Jim Wilkes
Staff Reporter

The father of slain schoolgirl Aqsa Parvez showed no emotion as he was ordered remanded in custody during a brief appearance in Brampton court yesterday.

Looking haggard, grey-haired Muhammad Parvez, 57, stood silently in an orange jail jumpsuit as Justice of the Peace Darlene Florence ordered him to appear again on Jan. 29 by video link.

Parvez said only a barely audible "Yes," when asked if he understood an order not to communicate with son Waqas Parvez, 26, who faces a charge of obstructing police in their investigation of his sister's slaying.

Waqas Parvez is to appear in court for a bail hearing tomorrow.

The elder Parvez was not formally charged at the hearing but his lawyer, Joseph Ciraco, said he expects a charge of second-degree murder.

The lawyer said outside court that Parvez would be seen by a doctor in jail for pre-existing medical issues, including a heart aliment.

The taxi driver was arrested Monday after his 16-year-old daughter was found strangled in the family's Mississauga home about 8 a.m. Paramedics revived her, but she died that night in hospital.

Peel Region police said yesterday that an autopsy showed the teen died from "neck compression."

Muhammad Shan Parvez, another brother of the slain girl, said outside court after yesterday's hearing that his mother was inconsolable.

"She cannot control because her daughter died, so she feels bad," he said as he walked to his car after his father's court appearance.

"I feel bad to see him there," he said, adding he feels "really bad" about his sister's death. "My dad is alive but my sister passed away, so I feel bad for my sister," he said.

He said he last spoke with his sister about two weeks ago and was not home when she was attacked.



Aqsa's death got international attention after her friends said she had argued with her father over her desire to shun the hijab, a traditional Muslim scarf that covers the head and shoulders. The Grade 11 student had left the family home to stay with a friend's family.

Many have been quick to view the still-unknown circumstances of her death through the lens of religion and culture. Blogs, columns and Facebook postings have highlighted the difficulty some traditional Muslims face in the West.

Others say it is important to view the tragedy through the broader lens of domestic violence.

"We would never say that if it was a young white Canadian woman. .. We would say that this is unacceptable domestic violence – that's it," said Tina Garnett, community relations co-ordinator at the Sexual Assault/Rape Crisis Centre of Peel.



Meanwhile, Muslim organizations continue to express outrage over the slaying.

"This is the type of tragedy that shakes you to your very core – as a person, as a parent, and as a Muslim," said Ansar Ahmed, of the Newmarket Mosque, in a statement. "This was a bright young girl whose only worry should have been friends and homework. Instead, it appears the last few weeks of her life were marred by anguish and conflict."

It's "truly bewildering" if the girl's feelings about the hijab played any role in her slaying, Ahmed added.

"Acts of faith, whatever they may be, have to come from within – they cannot be imposed on anyone, if they are, they are not true acts of faith," he said.

In a joint statement, the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Islamic Social Services Association and the Islamic Society of Toronto all urged "zero tolerance" for violence against women and domestic abuse.

"Muslims and Canadians of all faiths need to reflect on the realities of domestic abuse and take concrete steps to eliminate violence against women," it said.

good atleast it's not manslatah, either fuss or second degree ...

do you remember the Farah Khan story bulbul?

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Originally posted by Reds:
do you remember the Farah Khan story bulbul?

yes... that was sad ... couldn't follow up with that story... meh bin lil too sensitive back then