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Member Registered:: March 08, 2008
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In a previous post, someone talked about forgiveness (Jesus' words when he was on the cross, Father forgive them for they know not what they do.")Can we start a dialogue here on forgiveness?
(1) What do the holy books say about forgiveness? (2) What is your persoanl take on forgiveness? |
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Senior Member Location: Every action is judged by intention - Muhammad
Registered:: April 04, 2005
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To forgive someone takes a great burden off that person but it also takes an even greater burden off the forgiver. The word "forgive" in its many forms is perhaps the third most mentioned word in the Qur'an, after "Allah" and "mercy" in its many forms. |
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Senior Member Registered:: February 28, 2005
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na fret yu self...me forgive you ah lang time now Ksa...mee and you kool bro :):)
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Member Registered:: March 08, 2008
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Okay Supermike, stap wid de skin teeth and let's stay on task...can you contribute the the questions posed? |
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Senior Member Location: Every action is judged by intention - Muhammad
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Mikey fricken dat I would knock donk anything he says. Like de waan bout eating wid germy haans. (:-)) |
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Senior Member Registered:: February 28, 2005
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yu still na bring no medical proof to debunk the statement skullas Ksa :) |
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Senior Member Location: Every action is judged by intention - Muhammad
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You made the statement so the burden is on you bro. |
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Senior Member Registered:: February 28, 2005
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the burden is on you mee fren..iz yu have a problem with the statement...so there must be a reason why you think it os false..or is stupid yu stupid. |
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Senior Member Location: Every action is judged by intention - Muhammad
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aaarite den. waak a karna. |
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Senior Member Registered:: February 28, 2005
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yu meen drive ah karna...yu too bhai |
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Senior Member Location: wherever there is good food
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Jesus talked about 70 times seven. The Qur'an says "wa an ta'fuwa khayran lakum"..to forgive is better for you. And this is in a matter of homicide. Somebody should teach them saudis dat verse. Dem mad rasses when offered money as indemnity say that dey rich..they don't need it..they want the life of the perpetrator. That being said, I still find them to be very generous people.
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Member Registered:: March 08, 2008
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Both the Bible and the Qur'an say that if we want the Almighty to forgive us, we must forgive. |
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Senior Member Location: Every action is judged by intention - Muhammad
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As much as this sounds nice. The Qur'an, while it speaks of the mercy and forgiving nature of God does not say this in the words you set forth. It speaks of forgiveness being highly ranked as dara quoted above but we Muslims are sticklers for not misquoting the Qur'an. We don't want to say that it says something that it does not say. We may say that it implied or expressed it if we wish. |
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Member Registered:: March 08, 2008
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Kaz, thanks for your response.Yuh mean fuh tell meh dat meh bin ah read wrang ting all dis time? Perhaps I have poor comprehension or my sources for gleaning information are inaccurate - pray, tell me, what do you think of the verses below? Do remember to be gentle with your response...
We cannot expect for Allah's forgiveness unless we also forgive those who do wrong to us. Forgiving each other, even forgiving one's enemies is one of the most important Islamic teaching. Allah says in the Quran: "those who avoid major sins and acts of indecencies and when they are angry they forgive" (al-Shura 42:37) Sûrah an Nûr 24:22 “Let not those among you who are endued with grace and amplitude of means resolve by oath against helping their kinsmen, those in want and those who migrated in the path of Allah. Let them forgive and overlook. Do you not wish that Allah should forgive you? Indeed Allah is oft-Forgiving, most Merciful.†Sûrah ash Shura 42.40 The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah for Allah loves not those who do wrong. |
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Senior Member Location: Every action is judged by intention - Muhammad
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There is a ahadith that reads somewhat like your statement "...if you don't forgive those who wrong you, how do you expect Allah to forgive you. I may have the words a bit mixed up here though. |
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Senior Member Location: Every action is judged by intention - Muhammad
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Listening to the Maulana at a recent Jumuah khutbah said that if we read sura Kahf on jumuah day, all our sins from the previous jumuah to this jumuah will be forgiven. He later went on to say that we can never get below ground level without Allah's mercy. So I am wondering, if we can have all our sins wiped away only by reading sura kahf on jumuah day, how come we are still in a deficit at the end of that week? The flip side of the argument is if I cannot get off the floor without Allah's help, why even try?
I accept that I rely on Allah for life and with it comes the opportunity to do those things that are beneficial to me and those around me. I believe that the preachers want it both ways. They want to make you feel that you need to do something to raise yourself up but they also want you to feel that you cannot ever raise yourself up because it helps harbor the feeling of dependence. For anyone to take a step forward, they have to accept that their actions could bring them that desired result or they would not do anything. Here the preachers are contradictory. An amir once told me that his problem is that when he goes to the masjid he gets these extra blessings but the minute he steps out of the masjid all his blessings disappear because he sees all these things that he doesn't like which makes him upset. So what is this thing about salaah in jamaah being 27 times more superior? At our masjid, most people are upset at fard time because the imaam is old and don't pronounce his words properly and the management being respectful will not ask him to step down. So he continues to pronounce his words incorrectly and the jamaah continue to stew their teeth silently during the salaah. Again, where is that 27 times more superior blessings? Best you stay home and ensure that your women folks are also encouraged to pray on time and teach them along the way about the real meaning of Islam. Especially since the men at the masjid cannot come to a conclusion is womenfolk are acceptable at the masjid or not. |
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Member Registered:: August 04, 2005
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I take it that this is one of the selected Ahadith you are in agreement with. |
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Knows the ropes Member Registered:: February 10, 2006
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You are all forgiven for beign stupid now run along I am already on my way out.
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Member Registered:: March 08, 2008
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Listening to the Maulana at a recent Jumuah khutbah said that if we read sura Kahf on jumuah day, all our sins from the previous jumuah to this jumuah will be forgiven. He later went on to say that we can never get below ground level without Allah's mercy. So I am wondering, if we can have all our sins wiped away only by reading sura kahf on jumuah day, how come we are still in a deficit at the end of that week? The flip side of the argument is if I cannot get off the floor without Allah's help, why even try?
I accept that I rely on Allah for life and with it comes the opportunity to do those things that are beneficial to me and those around me. I believe that the preachers want it both ways. They want to make you feel that you need to do something to raise yourself up but they also want you to feel that you cannot ever raise yourself up because it helps harbor the feeling of dependence. For anyone to take a step forward, they have to accept that their actions could bring them that desired result or they would not do anything. Here the preachers are contradictory. An amir once told me that his problem is that when he goes to the masjid he gets these extra blessings but the minute he steps out of the masjid all his blessings disappear because he sees all these things that he doesn't like which makes him upset. So what is this thing about salaah in jamaah being 27 times more superior? At our masjid, most people are upset at fard time because the imaam is old and don't pronounce his words properly and the management being respectful will not ask him to step down. So he continues to pronounce his words incorrectly and the jamaah continue to stew their teeth silently during the salaah. Again, where is that 27 times more superior blessings? Best you stay home and ensure that your women folks are also encouraged to pray on time and teach them along the way about the real meaning of Islam. Especially since the men at the masjid cannot come to a conclusion is womenfolk are acceptable at the masjid or not. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Perhaps he said that reading the sura Kahf is one of the ways to have our sins forgiven. Remember if the Khateeb gave a Khutbah for 30 minutes or more, it’s quite possible that your attention span wavered and you did not hear everything in its entirety. When we feel too independent, we tend to become self centered…we tend to think that we are better than others…we begin to think that we know it all… Our entire existence centers on being dependent on something or someone. My existence is a gift from God. Have you never taken a step forward knowing that it won’t be of any benefit to you, but it will be of tremendous gain for someone else? Maybe the Amir might benefit from some lessons in patience and self control. Maybe the things he sees are there for him to take some action (big or small) to effect some kind of change. Don’t you think it is more meaningful to praise and worship God as a congregation as opposed to being alone? Do the womenfolk need the opposite gender around to ensure that they pray? Only men can teach the womenfolk about the real meaning of Islam? Women attending Masjid is cultural and geographical. Perhaps the women themselves prefer not to go to the Masjid because they feel that they might get more blessings when they pray in their homes. I tried to "color" my response, but it didn't work. Any suggestion on how to do this in the future? Wah meh mus seh? meh lil schuppeddddee. This message has been edited. Last edited by: coco, |
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Senior Member Location: Every action is judged by intention - Muhammad
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Senior Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
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All I know is dat a lot of GNI women going to hell because week afta week, I beg for food. And only four of dem send food or provide food.
Rememba in bible and hadith wot it say in paraphrase. I came and begged for food. YOu fed me not. And they will say "Lord when did you come and ask for food? And the Lord will say "My angelic Dara asked. And if you had responded to him, it would have been as if you had responded to me." story done. Repent before its too late. I hear jerk duck is a good repenting meal. |
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Member Registered:: March 08, 2008
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Angelic Dara, wen yuh get de jerk duck muss save sum fuh meh. |
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Senior Member Location: Every action is judged by intention - Muhammad
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