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Originally posted by Petal29:
Let's get one thing clear,I want absolutely nothing to do with yuh rass...I just want your answer to my questions...

Oops my bad I just realized that the above was an admission that all the nonsense you were spewing was coming out of your…well if you must… run along then…

you have no explaination for me so leff it at dat.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
you have no explaination for me so leff it at dat.

What a cheap cop-out!

You can’t even explain what you want an explanation of, so how am I to give you an explanation? When you find out why you think what you think must let me know.

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Originally posted by Petal29:

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
you have no explaination for me so leff it at dat.

What a cheap cop-out!

You can’t even explain what you want an explanation of, so how am I to give you an explanation? When you find out why you think what you think must let me know.

Something is wrong with one of us…I think is me… I don’t know how to express my self properly and to ask a question so that folks like you can fully understand what I am trying to say. Let me try again… Explain why in your wildest dreams why a GOD of any age would indulge in any immoral acts… he gat nothing godly to do what he did to those young girls?? But I guess if you don’t see his dirty actions as something nasty then this debate must be put to rest pronto.If a human try that trick in this time and age he will be lost in jail…guess it’s different in the case of a 7 year or 10 year old or whatever age old GOD.

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But I guess if you don’t see his dirty actions as something nasty then this debate must be put to rest pronto.

Why? I just want you to tell me why his actions were dirty that's all...in simple terms...you're going round and round saying they are immoral, wicked, dirty...tell me why.

You really have to squeese a rock real real hard to get any liquid from it. talk about dry.

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Originally posted by bird:
You really have to squeese a rock real real hard to get any liquid from it. talk about dry.

Dry? Yu mean yu never had yuh rocks squeezed?:D

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Originally posted by Petal29:
[QUOTE]But I guess if you don’t see his dirty actions as something nasty then this debate must be put to rest pronto.

Why? I just want you to tell me why his actions were dirty that's all...in simple terms...you're going round and round saying they are immoral, wicked, dirty...tell me why.QUOTE]


for a baby GOD to take the clothes of some young girls...climb up a tree and demmanded that th egirls come out of the pond with their hands on top of their head if they want back their clothes..this is immoral in my sight and seems to be fine with you.

W H Y? W H Y is it immoral?

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Yu mean yu never had yuh rocks squeezed

Them rocks does hut bad bad when squeezed.

Hut is a rather euphemistic term. But then again, bird, you rocks protected by feathers. mine by a fig leaf only.

I don't know anything about this story about Krishna but the piece posted by Rosita does not show anything immoral done by Krishna. Looks like the women were attracted to him instead. They don't seem to be virgins or young girls since it says that they were married with children.

However, if there is a different story as Mikey is suggesting where Krishna hid some young girls clothes, is it correct and do we have an explanation for why he did it. Did he say anything to elaborate on his request that they come out of the pond with their hands on their heads. Why on their heads? Do we know? Please explain. Thanks.

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Originally posted by Rosita:
Sri Krishna and His Raas Lila
All this love for Gopis in general and Radha in particular should be seen as divine love between atman and paramatman, without any physical or carnal element. We human beings may not understand the celestial beauty and spiritual content of such love between a man and a woman, but it is not the fault of Sri Krishna or the Gopis; we must blame ourselves if we see the whole episode with impure mind, if we get feeling of attraction between flesh and flesh in this Lila.

The Gopis (milkmaids of Vrindavan) were captivated by the sweet melody of Krishna's flute, unable to control their feelings towards Him. Forgetting their household duties, their children and husbands, these youthful lovers of Sri Krishna rushed to forest to have the company of their beloved. [This is known as relationship of a devotee with the attitude where the Lord is 'sweetheart'; Madhur Bhava as it is called.] Their heart and mind was occupied with the virtues of the Lord of the Universe, Paramatman Krishna. Praising the beauty and love of Sri Krishna, the Gopis were immersed in His Bhakti in its highest manifestation - para bhakti - where union of Atman with Paramatman was the goal sought. Body, mind, and thoughts vanished even while in body; transcendental joy and bliss was all that mattered.

ks, highlighting the point of this (I can't even bring myself to call it a discussion) from Rosie's post...I hope this answers your question.

The story being discussed may be different but the actions are in no way different; I suppose a person can see it from their warped perspective and attribute whatever immoral qualities they feel to the story although heinously incorrect.

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Originally posted by Petal29:
ks, highlighting the point of this (I can't even bring myself to call it a discussion) from Rosie's post...I hope this answers your question.

The story being discussed may be different but the actions are in no way different; I suppose a person can see it from their warped perspective and attribute whatever immoral qualities they feel to the story although heinously incorrect.

Like I said, I see nothing objectionable from Rosie's post. It looks like some women were atracted to his flute melodies. Can't blame him for that. Even Muhammad's sworn enemies were attracted to his Qur'anic rendition. Yet they were his sworn enemies.

I don't get into too much religous debate because i am also a learned one...but a simple theory to all of this would be that:

God is powerful, he's the creater, the sustainer and the destroyer. He can manifest himself in whatever form or entity he wants. We all worship god in some form, whether it's different religion or entity or some may say hindus worship idol (hindus knows differently);

Who are we to question Lord Krishna and what he did with the Gopis - my understanding was that what he did was to teach them a lesson about being so smitten with him than with their husbands...this was also something of a more spiritual level and had nothing to do with sexuality - only the human mind can see it in that way.

Simply put, since God is everywhere, why would he want to tease young naked girls when he can see the entire world naked?

Yu see, this is why I always does take my vacation at dem nude beach!

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Originally posted by Petal29:

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Originally posted by Rosita:
Sri Krishna and His Raas Lila
All this love for Gopis in general and Radha in particular should be seen as divine love between atman and paramatman, without any physical or carnal element. We human beings may not understand the celestial beauty and spiritual content of such love between a man and a woman, but it is not the fault of Sri Krishna or the Gopis; we must blame ourselves if we see the whole episode with impure mind, if we get feeling of attraction between flesh and flesh in this Lila.

The Gopis (milkmaids of Vrindavan) were captivated by the sweet melody of Krishna's flute, unable to control their feelings towards Him. Forgetting their household duties, their children and husbands, these youthful lovers of Sri Krishna rushed to forest to have the company of their beloved. [This is known as relationship of a devotee with the attitude where the Lord is 'sweetheart'; Madhur Bhava as it is called.] Their heart and mind was occupied with the virtues of the Lord of the Universe, Paramatman Krishna. Praising the beauty and love of Sri Krishna, the Gopis were immersed in His Bhakti in its highest manifestation - para bhakti - where union of Atman with Paramatman was the goal sought. Body, mind, and thoughts vanished even while in body; transcendental joy and bliss was all that mattered.

ks, highlighting the point of this (I can't even bring myself to call it a discussion) from Rosie's post...I hope this answers your question.

The story being discussed may be different but the actions are in no way different; I suppose a person can see it from their warped perspective and attribute whatever immoral qualities they feel to the story although heinously incorrect.

Nonsense… a God asking some young girls to come out from a pond naked with their hands on their head can be dubbed in a spiritual sense? HOW ????? This is warped thinking to the max.

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Originally posted by Rosita:
I don't get into too much religous debate because i am also a learned one...but a simple theory to all of this would be that:

God is powerful, he's the creater, the sustainer and the destroyer. He can manifest himself in whatever form or entity he wants. We all worship god in some form, whether it's different religion or entity or some may say hindus worship idol (hindus knows differently);

Who are we to question Lord Krishna and what he did with the Gopis - my understanding was that what he did was to teach them a lesson about being so smitten with him than with their husbands...this was also something of a more spiritual level and had nothing to do with sexuality - only the human mind can see it in that way.

Simply put, since God is everywhere, why would he want to tease young naked girls when he can see the entire world naked?

the question here is not why would he....it's WHY DID HE???????

Because he is god and he can do whatever he wants. You see it as immoral from a human being point of view; he's god anything he does he has his reasons for it. Maybe you should ask him yourself why did he do it.

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Originally posted by Rosita:
Because he is god and he can do whatever he wants. You see it as immoral from a human being point of view; he's god anything he does he has his reasons for it. Maybe you should ask him yourself why did he do it.

well finally i got an answer..thanks Rosita and ah hope yu na mad wid me...we gun kiss and mek up rite :)

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
Nonsense… a God asking some young girls to come out from a pond naked with their hands on their head can be dubbed in a spiritual sense? HOW ????? This is warped thinking to the max.

No Mista Mike it’s your thinking that’s warped…the more and more you post…the more and more I feel you really don’t really know the story of which you claim to speak. Tell us the entire story nah and explain why it was immoral.

You know what let me make it easy for you and post the story although I know your intent was not to understand the philosophy behind the story but to attack Hinduism.


Lesson 7: Krishna
Maidens' Clothes
Stealing the maidens' clothes is by far the most popular childhood tale of Krishna. This incident was an innocent childhood prank. Mr. Munshi has narrated it with masterly simplicity. The following is a summary of his version from his book "The Magic Flute", which is the first volume of his series on the life of Krishna.

By the time Krishna was seven years old, he was both a darling of and a terror to the maidens of Vrindavan. The women loved his cute appearance and radiant face, but hated it (or pretended to) when he stole butter and curds from their homes and shattered their earthen water pots with his sling. They would complain to his mother, Yashoda, who would be compelled to scold or even punish him in front of the maidens. This irked Krishna and he thirsted for revenge.



One afternoon he saw the maidens bathing in a secluded spot in the river, Yamuna. Their garments were lying on the riverbank. Krishna collected all the clothes and scuttled up a tree and ensconced himself in the branches. The ladies came out of the water, laughing at the latest village gossip. Water droplets were trickling down their bodies and their long, black tresses were plastered to their backs like serpents. When they realized that their garments were missing there was a horrific shriek. The damsels covered their nakedness with their arms as best as they could and looked around for their clothes.



They found them hanging on the branches of a tree well out of reach. Then they saw Krishna and realised what had happened. But Krishna refused to acknowledge them and began playing his flute. They begged and begged but Krishna would not relent. After they had pleaded some more, Krishna told them to ask for forgiveness for complaining every now and then to his mother. The maidens readily complied. But Krishna was not through. He dropped one garment. The maidens leapt upon it and Krishna enjoyed the ensuing scuffle till the owner retrieved her garment and put it on. This continued till all the garments were delivered. Then Krishna jumped down from the tree and departed nonchalantly playing his flute. He heard one of the women remarking. "Thank God! He is only seven." And Krishna could not figure out what difference it made whether he was seven or seventeen.



In the Bhagwat Purana this incident is presented in a philosophical manner. At this time the maidens were engaged in a month long ritual in which they were praying to Durga to make Krishna their husband. By bathing naked in the river they had exposed their bare bodies to the demi-God Varun, who resides in all water bodies, thereby vitiating the effect of their prayers. So as not to lose the effect of their prayers, they would have to atone for the sin that they had committed. The atonement was that they come out of the water with their clasped hands held high and then collect their garments. The maiden considered Krishna their God and themselves as His slaves and were more than happy to do whatever he asked them to do.


Now run along with your intolerant self…

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At this time the maidens were engaged in a month long ritual in which they were praying to Durga to make Krishna their husband.

Ah thought yuh said the man was only 7 years old??

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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:

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At this time the maidens were engaged in a month long ritual in which they were praying to Durga to make Krishna their husband.

Ah thought yuh said the man was only 7 years old??

The bai was seven…did you read the entire story?

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Originally posted by Petal29:

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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:

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At this time the maidens were engaged in a month long ritual in which they were praying to Durga to make Krishna their husband.

Ah thought yuh said the man was only 7 years old??

The bai was seven…did you read the entire story?

OK..i now ress my case.