Page 1 2 
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
  Login/Join 
Active Member
Registered:: September 13, 2001
Posts: 14557
Posted   Hide PostReply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post  
quote:
Originally posted by politikalamity:
quote:
Originally posted by antabanta:
We can argue that even the physical isn't gone - if dead trees can go into the earth and transform into such a vast resource of fuel doesn't it make sense that the physical nature of dead people may also do the same?


Exactly - energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Hence, the only thing that can happen is the change of the form. Trees to fossil fuels, to heat etc… IMO this is reincarnation.

In a true sense nothing is ever dead. But the consciousness of a particular body dies when that body changes form and the energy is dispersed.

In the end, both the physical and sprit of a physical form is gone once that physical structure changes form in the dispersion of its energy. Any new physical manifestation has its own spirit.

To say that people will be reborn as a certain thing depending on how one lives his life has no scientific basis IMO. This is not to say that one should not live what is considered a life with high morals and respect for all things, because that will lead to a life with less noise and a good spirit in better harmony with all things.
I was thinking more along the line that the essence of a being is never gone if it lives on as part of a greater whole. Also, transforming from one form to another may only be possible if the original form possessed latent qualities of the new form. Which would mean that some of the new was already present in the old, therefore vice versa stands to reason.
Of course this is just idle speculation.
Junior Member
Registered:: January 10, 2004
Posts: 4971
Posted   Hide PostReply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post  
quote:
Originally posted by antabanta:


quote:
I was thinking more along the line that the essence of a being is never gone if it lives on as part of a greater whole.


Indeed. The way I see it is; the essence of being is matter, matter is energy and since energy is never created nor destroyed it is indeed part of the greater whole which is the collective energy of the cosmos.

quote:
Also, transforming from one form to another may only be possible if the original form possessed latent qualities of the new form.


Indeed. This Latency is present everywhere. I see this latency present in the basic elements of matter; protons, neutron and electrons. Since this is the basic element it is, therefore, present in all forms. However, to say that you as a being will consciously remember this life once your elements become parts of other forms is difficult to prove scientifically, and currently I do not subscribe to it.

quote:
Which would mean that some of the new was already present in the old, therefore vice versa stands to reason.
Of course this is just idle speculation.


Of course. See my second comment. Comes down to the Basic Street lingo “everything is everything”. Street language and very profound, indeed.
Active Member
Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
Posts: 10561
Posted   Hide PostReply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post  
P: once again, your summation points out the fallacy of "proving" life after death, a premise that comes out of religion. It cannot be done. hence it being an 'irrational' subject. and reducing all the theistic arguments to nonsense. But a faith person will say that if we cannot rationalize, it does not mean it is not there. Beyond our comprehension. I am not yeaing or naying either concept...theism or atheism..just pointing out the fallacy of trying to prove or disprove. ALthough, in honesty, one has to admit that it is more logical to deny rather than affirm. and which is why Jesus said "o ye of little faith". That is the underliner of all religion...belief in the unseen, the unproveable. And once you deal with a commodity that is unseen, unproveable, you have charlatans....creflo dollar and the like.
 Previous Topic | Next Topic powered by eve community Page 1 2  
 


This Forum is owned by Guyana News and Information and is jointly operated with guyanafriends.com
By registering on this site, you agree to the terms and conditions of our Privacy Statement - Terms of Use.

This website takes no responsibility for statements posted by participants on the Forum.

The textual, graphic, audio and audiovisual material on our sites is protected by copyright law.
You may not copy, distribute, or use these materials except as necessary for your personal, non-commercial use.
Any trademarks are the property of their respective owners.

Rules of Use:

In order to guarantee enjoyment for all visitors to our Discussion Forums, we ask that you observe a few simple rules:

Refrain from using foul or abusive language. (Using profanity in disguise is not acceptable).

Consider before you post whether your message may cause unnecessary upset for any other user.

Respect the religious and political beliefs of others.

You should not post anything which is illegal, in breach of Copyright, defamatory or otherwise unlawful.