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Junior Member Registered:: January 10, 2004
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Is there life after death, in the sense that one retains some sort of recognizable form be it physical, spiritual or any kind of consciousness?
I guess I should state my own position before expecting anyone else to state theirs. My answer is no; after this life YOU are gone. |
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Junior Member Registered:: March 21, 2007
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It is possible via cryogenics. |
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Active Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
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P: with what level of certitude do you expect someone to address the issue? A faith based person will answer it with bias. An academic will tell you that this question is one of the bases for the foundation of religion that deals with the mystery of mortality. This is where FAITH comes in...one just believes. All the talk about proof is problematic....much of the supposed material is what i think Andre refers to rightly as "nancy story". Of course as ICIP states, could be on another dimension since having moved on, we cannot connect with what we once were (it is like asking a baby to tell you about when he was in the womb)...I am not siding with any..just giving you to rundown. Which is why sometimes I piss off everyone with certain ideas of religion. |
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Elite Member Location: Homeless in New York, Lil ABC dropout!
Registered:: March 22, 1999
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I don't agree. I used to tell girls that we met in a previous life, and that line always worked. Therefore it has to be true. |
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Active Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
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Sau saal pehle, mujhe tumse pyaar ka...Rajk.
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Active Member Registered:: September 13, 2001
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Doesn't this only address the physical "you"? |
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Junior Member Registered:: January 10, 2004
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No, in this context it addreses "you" in the physical and spiritual sense. I don't believe that one is still aware and cognisant of the "you" in either the physical or spiritual sense once the person is "dead". I believe that once the person is deceased the energy is dispersed but still remains as part of the collective energy of the universe, since energy is neither created nor destroyed. |
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Junior Member Registered:: January 10, 2004
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no limits man...go for it.. |
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Junior Member Registered:: January 10, 2004
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its all you man...its not the stories..at least tell yourself that ..lol |
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Active Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
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U sounding like a buddhist heah. Some buddhists would say to you that such energy, or parts of it can regroup--which is their explanation for what some would term reincarnation. |
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Active Member Registered:: September 13, 2001
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The problem is no one really knows what happens to the spiritual energy. All the explanations are only theories. |
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Active Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
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This is why I asked P to what level of certitude he wanted an answer..everything is just a theory.
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Junior Member Location: Happiness is enhanced by others but does not depend upon others
Registered:: February 16, 2007
Posts: 3867
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.. aaj a behi .. aur kaal be rayheyga (sp) I hope you know what it means!!..:) :) |
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New Recruit Registered:: May 16, 2007
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Ok, we know that people of faith believe in life after death. There is no argument about that. We know from the Holy Quran how Allah explain paradise will be. Andre always remind us of those famous verses. Dara did point out that these verses do not have any hint of sexuality in them. Its all about comfort and happiness. Could a Christian GNIer please describe to us how the Holy Bible describes Paradise (heaven). Also, maybe Dara can tell us how the Torah describes paradise...It would be nice to hear from the Hindus too. I know the Hindus believe in reincarnation. Is there a concept of Heaven in the Hindu Religion. This message has been edited. Last edited by: imala, |
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Junior Member Registered:: March 21, 2007
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I planning on turning into a fullah. Plenty plenty fun in heaven .... get drunk and phu-ck the houris till me ballz hut. |
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New Recruit Registered:: May 16, 2007
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Ok ICIP whatever, hope you make it to heaven.. In the meantime, sit down and be quiet, and find someone to start teaching you the Kalimas. Here is the first one: ashadu an lā ilāha illā-llāh, wa ashadu anna muhammadan rasūlu-llāh I testify that there is no God but Allah, and I testify that Muhammad (Peace be Upon him) is the messenger of Allah. Start memorising it, we'll check in on you later.!! :-) |
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New Recruit Registered:: March 08, 2008
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Ok, we know that people of faith believe in life after death. There is no argument about that. We know from the Holy Quran how Allah explain paradise will be. Andre always remind us of those famous verses. Dara did point out that these verses do not have any hint of sexuality in them. Its all about comfort and happiness. Could a Christian GNIer please describe to us how the Holy Bible describes Paradise (heaven). Also, maybe Dara can tell us how the Torah describes paradise...It would be nice to hear from the Hindus too. I know the Hindus believe in reincarnation. Is there a concept of Heaven in the Hindu Religion.[/QUOTE] Okay, I don't know much and I hope that someone would offer his/her feedback to what I am going to say next. I do know that Hindus believe in reincarnation. I think they believe that the goal of the cycle of birth and death is for the soul to eventually achieve moksha. They believe in karma which is your actions- be it good or bad. A Hindu's rebirth depends on his/her karma. I think that "not so good actions" will result in being reborn in a lower life form. These are my thoughts...awaiting some responses from those who have background on this topic. |
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Junior Member Location: Cosmos
Registered:: July 19, 2007
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anyone heard of Edgar Cayce ..The Sleeping Prophet..he was a Christian..he dealt with this subject matter in many of his books....including reincarnation...plus there are many others who have written on this subject and documentaries shown on TV as well...
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Junior Member Registered:: January 10, 2004
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I agree that energy can and does regroup in some form, be it a plant a rock or something somewhere else in the universe. However, to say that the energy from one particular individual can regroup into another independent form based on the life one life one lives on this planet is pure speculation and would be a fluke in my opinion. However, since we know, scientifically, that energy cannot be created nor destroyed we, therefore, know that every energy form will transform over time and become part(s) of other energy field(s) |
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Junior Member Registered:: August 04, 2005
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Something to think about - if energy cannot be created of destroyed, where did it come from in the first place?...How does the big bang theory play into this??
Where's D2? :-) |
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Junior Member Registered:: January 10, 2004
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It depends on your definitions of spiritual energy. For me every energy field that has been manifested into something physical has a spirit. The spirit to me is a reflection of the form itself. The spirit would be the radiation of the form. In other words what people would call the spirit is actually outside of the physical manifestation. The more volatile the physical form the more noisy the spirit. The noise would be a result of things being out of sync. Think of the physical form as an electrical circuit with a reference clock (desires) and many PLL’s (thoughts), the components that control the many branches of actions that manifested from the desires. The different branches can be affected by noise, created by improper functioning sleep/wake or power on/off states. This can result in noise in various branches resulting in the PLL’s referencing a corrupted frequency and sending the whole body of energy out of sync. Out of sync results in more and more noise, friction and energy wasted, leading to erratic behavior inside and outside of the physical energy field itself. The noise outside of the body would be what I refer to a calm/good or noisy/bad spirit. When the physical manifestation dies or changes form so does the spirit. Man I hope that makes sense :) |
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Junior Member Registered:: January 10, 2004
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the small bang :) |
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Junior Member Registered:: March 21, 2007
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Does your spirit die when you become worm bait or ashes if say you wrote a book or created a painting that are still experienced by others. |
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Active Member Registered:: September 13, 2001
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It makes sense. However, death is as much a mystery as life. If you can solve one, you'll probably be able to solve the other. We can argue that even the physical isn't gone - if dead trees can go into the earth and transform into such a vast resource of fuel doesn't it make sense that the physical nature of dead people may also do the same? If you put the two explanations together, then it makes sense that neither the physical nor spiritual is "gone". |
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Elite Member Location: Homeless in New York, Lil ABC dropout!
Registered:: March 22, 1999
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First rule of science:
Matter can neither be created nor destroyed |