While I have my own theories...could someone/people explain why, in order to feel good about their religion, there are those who insist on denigrating other religions, or religious beliefs? And the biggest perpetrators are those who talk of God's lovingness...

Ask Terry fuh answuh dis question fuh you. :-))

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
in order to feel good about their religion, there are those who insist on denigrating other religions, or religious beliefs

Eureka!!! There's the answer!! I found it!!

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Originally posted by antabanta:

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
in order to feel good about their religion, there are those who insist on denigrating other religions, or religious beliefs

Eureka!!! There's the answer!! I found it!!

Not so quick!!! I deliberately phrased my question that way..because if that person's self worth is based on denigration of the 'other", then it means that his/her own criterion of measure is skewed. Its like those Yankee/Red Sox rivals who wear signs that say "Red sox suck" or "Yankees such." That is so stupid..becuase it somehow means that his/her team is better? WHerein do I see the INTRINSIC goodness of his/her team? Same for religion.
Let's take mine for example. If I were to downgrade christians for taking Jesus as the son of god...does that mean the christian is lesser than me? What if that christian is more of a charitable human than I am? What if the jain never harms anyone--whereas I will eat a lobster that has been horribly boiled to death? WHo is the better human?

Methinks I caused a lot of thought..as reflected in the paucity of responses. Good. Next time youse all think about putting down someone else's religion, examine yourself fust.

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Originally posted by antabanta:

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
in order to feel good about their religion, there are those who insist on denigrating other religions, or religious beliefs

Eureka!!! There's the answer!! I found it!!

WHAT.... The bridge ????...dumbo,look how Khaleel trap you nice.:):):)

SuperM: explain to T-P what sirnee is please.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:

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Originally posted by antabanta:

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
in order to feel good about their religion, there are those who insist on denigrating other religions, or religious beliefs

Eureka!!! There's the answer!! I found it!!

WHAT.... The bridge ????...dumbo,look how Khaleel trap you nice.:):):)

Aha... another one of your masterful intellectual contributions. No poor hindu women around for you to cuss?

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:

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Originally posted by antabanta:

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
in order to feel good about their religion, there are those who insist on denigrating other religions, or religious beliefs

Eureka!!! There's the answer!! I found it!!

Not so quick!!! I deliberately phrased my question that way..because if that person's self worth is based on denigration of the 'other", then it means that his/her own criterion of measure is skewed. Its like those Yankee/Red Sox rivals who wear signs that say "Red sox suck" or "Yankees such." That is so stupid..becuase it somehow means that his/her team is better? WHerein do I see the INTRINSIC goodness of his/her team? Same for religion.
Let's take mine for example. If I were to downgrade christians for taking Jesus as the son of god...does that mean the christian is lesser than me? What if that christian is more of a charitable human than I am? What if the jain never harms anyone--whereas I will eat a lobster that has been horribly boiled to death? WHo is the better human?

It's possible that people don't want to be bothered by such a simple issue. First, do you think that some fanatic lunatic (SuperGirl Mikey is a perfect example) takes time to review their criteria for judging others?
Second, the skewed/unfounded critrion is moot.
Third, the purpose of the lunatic fanatic is to portray his belief as superior using whatever means available (again SuperGirlMikey is the best possible example).
Fourth and most important, for the individual who has to devise and use such means to promote his/her own belief, that belief is inherently inferior (again and again our good friend little Mikey serves as a perfect example).
Your example is not a good one. The performance of baseball teams is easy to measure making it easy to ascertain which one "sucks".
It is not that simple to measure a belief system and dismiss time-tested ideals.
Does the Christian care whether you downgrade him for taking Jesus as the son of God? For whom is that a criterion for making the Christian lesser and to whom does it matter?

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Originally posted by antabanta:
Does the Christian care whether you downgrade him for taking Jesus as the son of God? For whom is that a criterion for making the Christian lesser and to whom does it matter?

Are converters/turncoats/sellouts making a public statement of denouncing a kind in favor of another. This is the highest form of public criticism! Rejection of thine own.

Does the Christian care whether you downgrade him for taking Jesus as the son of God? For whom is that a criterion for making the Christian lesser and to whom does it matter?[/QUOTE]

True....

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Originally posted by ICIP:

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Originally posted by antabanta:
Does the Christian care whether you downgrade him for taking Jesus as the son of God? For whom is that a criterion for making the Christian lesser and to whom does it matter?

Are converters/turncoats/sellouts making a public statement of denouncing a kind in favor of another. This is the highest form of public criticism! Rejection of thine own.

Bwoy: i busy on the other forum reading the back and forth...social stuff.

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Originally posted by ICIP:

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Originally posted by antabanta:
Does the Christian care whether you downgrade him for taking Jesus as the son of God? For whom is that a criterion for making the Christian lesser and to whom does it matter?

Are converters/turncoats/sellouts making a public statement of denouncing a kind in favor of another. This is the highest form of public criticism! Rejection of thine own.

No one is born into a religion. One can design his/her own religion. Baptism leaves no bodily alteration like circumcision.
Hindus are not hindus because of their names or family background. Religion is who/what people worship with faith and belief. Non-belivers are all hypocrites, sellouts, and have nothing to do with like kinds.

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Originally posted by PJ:

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Originally posted by ICIP:

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Originally posted by antabanta:
Does the Christian care whether you downgrade him for taking Jesus as the son of God? For whom is that a criterion for making the Christian lesser and to whom does it matter?

Are converters/turncoats/sellouts making a public statement of denouncing a kind in favor of another. This is the highest form of public criticism! Rejection of thine own.

No one is born into a religion. One can design his/her own religion. Baptism leaves no bodily alteration like circumcision.
Hindus are not hindus because of their names or family background. Religion is who/what people worship with faith and belief. Non-belivers are all hypocrites, sellouts, and have nothing to do with like kinds.

PJ--I be seeing a philosophical side to you bhai. But if you going with baptism...Jesus himself was circumcised according to Luke. Not that this, in itself, refutes your theory...

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
While I have my own theories...could someone/people explain why, in order to feel good about their religion, there are those who insist on denigrating other religions, or religious beliefs? And the biggest perpetrators are those who talk of God's lovingness...

Who is more guilty of that than Christians?

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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
While I have my own theories...could someone/people explain why, in order to feel good about their religion, there are those who insist on denigrating other religions, or religious beliefs? And the biggest perpetrators are those who talk of God's lovingness...

Who is more guilty of that than Christians?

naa Bhai..Antabanta sey me ah de perfect/bess example.:):):)

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Originally posted by PJ:
No one is born into a religion. One can design his/her own religion. Baptism leaves no bodily alteration like circumcision.
Hindus are not hindus because of their names or family background. Religion is who/what people worship with faith and belief. Non-belivers are all hypocrites, sellouts, and have nothing to do with like kinds.

If you and your type choose to forget your history and to step on your culture, so be it. None will frighten/trap me that if I do not believe I will go to a hot place.

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Originally posted by ICIP:

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Originally posted by PJ:
No one is born into a religion. One can design his/her own religion. Baptism leaves no bodily alteration like circumcision.
Hindus are not hindus because of their names or family background. Religion is who/what people worship with faith and belief. Non-belivers are all hypocrites, sellouts, and have nothing to do with like kinds.

If you and your type choose to forget your history and to step on your culture, so be it. None will frighten/trap me that if I do not believe I will go to a hot place.

Why do you believe that you have to protect/preserve your culture/history? Didn't we all leave our Guyanese culture/history behind us in Guyana? People change all the time.

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Originally posted by Terry Ishmael:

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
While I have my own theories...could someone/people explain why, in order to feel good about their religion, there are those who insist on denigrating other religions, or religious beliefs? And the biggest perpetrators are those who talk of God's lovingness...

Who is more guilty of that than Christians?

naa Bhai..Antabanta sey me ah de perfect/bess example.:):):)

You don't believe me little one?

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Originally posted by ICIP:

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Originally posted by PJ:
No one is born into a religion. One can design his/her own religion. Baptism leaves no bodily alteration like circumcision.
Hindus are not hindus because of their names or family background. Religion is who/what people worship with faith and belief. Non-belivers are all hypocrites, sellouts, and have nothing to do with like kinds.

If you and your type choose to forget your history and to step on your culture, so be it. None will frighten/trap me that if I do not believe I will go to a hot place.

My historical roots and culture is a family doctrine passed on to my offsprings that born into a western culture. I walk the walk while you talk the talk.

I am not here to judge your beliefs, unlike you who subject me as a converter and a sellout for not following the wolf gang of superior coolies.

My kind believes in democratic principles to agree and disagree regardless of the "kinds" you so highly spoken of.

I have been an independent poster and holds a neutral position in my opinions, if you haven't yet noticed.
I am very puzzled by your expectation of others. My response to your statement deserves a fruitful debate rather that personal attacks. Calling me a "bottom feeder" only widen the gap of civilized coolies from your kind.

I hope you can find some common grounds to ease this tension. I have no desire to return personal attacks, but to respond in kindness.

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Originally posted by ksazma:

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Originally posted by ICIP:

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Originally posted by PJ:
No one is born into a religion. One can design his/her own religion. Baptism leaves no bodily alteration like circumcision.
Hindus are not hindus because of their names or family background. Religion is who/what people worship with faith and belief. Non-belivers are all hypocrites, sellouts, and have nothing to do with like kinds.

If you and your type choose to forget your history and to step on your culture, so be it. None will frighten/trap me that if I do not believe I will go to a hot place.

Why do you believe that you have to protect/preserve your culture/history? Didn't we all leave our Guyanese culture/history behind us in Guyana? People change all the time.

K: withouth wishing to become part of the acerbity that seems to be developing between ICIP and PJ...I must say WITHOUT ANY NECC> SIDING..that culture is what connects us to our roots..without it we are lost. This is how we show respect...it is when the culture is demonstrably backward that we must reject it..hence, the verse "bal nata'bi'u maa alfaynaa alaihi abaa.anaa."...Take indian culture for example..it is only when OTHERs came and messed with it, misrepresented it, bringing beliefs that had NOTHING to do with the social setting that things got skewed. It is when ONE culture seeks to usurp another by misrespresentation and nastiness that we have problems...this is why, from my point of view, dhul qarnayn is such a good role model..he went, he saw, he helped out..but he left the people as they were without trying to instil his values on them. Presumably he saw them on the 'right path" although it was different to his...

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Originally posted by PJ:
My historical roots and culture is a family doctrine passed on to my offsprings that born into a western culture. I walk the walk while you talk the talk.

I am not here to judge your beliefs, unlike you who subject me as a converter and a sellout for not following the wolf gang of superior coolies.

My kind believes in democratic principles to agree and disagree regardless of the "kinds" you so highly spoken of.

I have been an independent poster and holds a neutral position in my opinions, if you haven't yet noticed.
I am very puzzled by your expectation of others. My response to your statement deserves a fruitful debate rather that personal attacks. Calling me a "bottom feeder" only widen the gap of civilized coolies from your kind.

I hope you can find some common grounds to ease this tension. I have no desire to return personal attacks, but to respond in kindness.

Massa and his victims will not frighten me into submission. The weak aka bottom feeder will succumb to such threats and make all attempts to wipe their culture in favor of massa guidance.

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Originally posted by dara shikoh:
K: withouth wishing to become part of the acerbity that seems to be developing between ICIP and PJ...I must say WITHOUT ANY NECC> SIDING..that culture is what connects us to our roots..without it we are lost. This is how we show respect...it is when the culture is demonstrably backward that we must reject it..hence, the verse "bal nata'bi'u maa alfaynaa alaihi abaa.anaa."...Take indian culture for example..it is only when OTHERs came and messed with it, misrepresented it, bringing beliefs that had NOTHING to do with the social setting that things got skewed. It is when ONE culture seeks to usurp another by misrespresentation and nastiness that we have problems...this is why, from my point of view, dhul qarnayn is such a good role model..he went, he saw, he helped out..but he left the people as they were without trying to instil his values on them. Presumably he saw them on the 'right path" although it was different to his...

Just like the saying goes, if it ain't broken, don't fix it. Here we have a situation where ICIP is suggesting (I could be wrong) that we keep it regardless of if we think that it is good or not. I don't know if that is the correct approach to take through life.