Chief

Radicals in ISlam is destroying and hi jacking the religion!

Deal wid Dat!

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Originally posted by krishna:
ray you are on a roll

this man Chief want ah good stick lash

“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.”

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Originally posted by raymond:

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Originally posted by krishna:
ray you are on a roll

this man Chief want ah good stick lash

as one hell of a suprise to chief i may show up at liberty during friday prayers

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Originally posted by krishna:

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Originally posted by raymond:

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Originally posted by krishna:
ray you are on a roll

this man Chief want ah good stick lash

as one hell of a suprise to chief i may show up at liberty during friday prayers

Yu wouldn't be the first...I just came back from Masjid...a Dominican kid 5 years old was told about Islam by his Pakistani friend in school and the kid wanted to visit the masjid and learn about Islam so him father brought him there and they made the prayers with us.
Another coupla terrorists in the making...

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Bro this stupid sensational headline that muslim boys are raping Hindu and Sikh girls to convert them can affect your two sons.
The media is on an all out vendetta on Islam and if you are blind or you are playing stupid, then too bad for you.

so I should stay quiet if I see wrong because it might affect my sons???!!!!

This some warped shite....

SHould Afros stay quiet because of crime committed by fellow Afros?

SHould white people stay quiet bout the KKK cause it might affect their children?

Should Indos stay quiet about corruption because it might affect their children????

Bannas...the reason I speak out is because IT MAY AFFECT MY CHILDREN!!!!

THATS THE REASON!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn't last week someone said your comprehension is poor?.
You need to speak out against the lies that are being perpetuated against muslims.
Is forced conversions allowed in Islam?
All Iam saying is these type of sensational headlines are food for vultures.

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Originally posted by krishna:
ray you are on a roll

and he hit his head and that cause him to be blind

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Originally posted by raymond:
Chief

Radicals in ISlam is destroying and hi jacking the religion!

Deal wid Dat!

Islam can never be hijacked.
Is it fair to say Christianity is hijacked by homosexuals or the phagwah parade is hijacked by perverts
These noble religions, all of them withstood the test of time and today after centuries stood up to the test of time.
Only cowards like you want to duck and dive, you are a muslim, be proud of your religion, study the teachings of the glorious Quran, a book that came as a guide not only for muslims but for all mankind.
There is no denying about the bad muslims who want to create havoc and mayhem but at the same time grow some balls and open your eyes and defend what needs defending.This article and the headline is saying that muslims are raping Hindu girls to convert them and that is not so because our religion forbids forced conversion.

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Originally posted by krishna:
“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.”

Seems like Raymond is nuetured permanently.
Islam will survive these string of maliciousness, folks are trying thier best to paint everything bad with Islam.

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Originally posted by krishna:

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Originally posted by raymond:

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Originally posted by krishna:
ray you are on a roll

this man Chief want ah good stick lash

as one hell of a suprise to chief i may show up at liberty during friday prayers

I pray most of my Jummas at Masjid Arahman on 29street between 5th Ave and Brodway, you can show up anytime.

Like I said Chief...continue to live in denial...

If you want to close your eyes to the bad things and just pay attention to the good...then go ahead...I will not join you in being dumb, deaf and blind...

My criticism is not of Islam as practised by my forefathers...it is criticism of the divisiveness being currently practised by some in Islam...but, do your thing bro...

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This article and the headline is saying that muslims are raping Hindu girls to convert them and that is not so because our religion forbids forced conversion.

Why do you think I criticize them? You only want to defend rapists it seems...

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This article and the headline is saying that muslims are raping Hindu girls to convert them and that is not so

So, why rape to convert if their religion forbids them? It goes back to my point about the religion being hi jacked by nut cases like these

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Originally posted by raymond:

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This article and the headline is saying that muslims are raping Hindu girls to convert them and that is not so because our religion forbids forced conversion.

Why do you think I criticize them? You only want to defend rapists it seems...

Don't put your stupid spin .
Where am I defending rapists, raping is not allowed in any religion, Iam defending my religion. Islam does not tolerate rapes neither forced conversions and if you are thrilled by such stupid and cheap headlines, I am not.
SuckING up to the haters AND THE PROPAGANDISTS WILL NOT GET YOU ANYWHERE.

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Originally posted by raymond:

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This article and the headline is saying that muslims are raping Hindu girls to convert them and that is not so

So, why rape to convert if their religion forbids them? It goes back to my point about the religion being hi jacked by nut cases like these

REREAD THE ARTICLES FROM THE ENGLISH NEWSPAPERS AND SEE IF THERE IS ANY JUSTICATION FOR SUCH A HEADLINE.

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REREAD THE ARTICLES FROM THE ENGLISH NEWSPAPERS AND SEE IF THERE IS ANY JUSTICATION FOR SUCH A HEADLINE.

Was there any justification for that painter getting killed for his painting?

WHich is worse?

A crazy suicide bomber blowing up women and children in Iraq or a stupid headline?

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SuckING up to the haters AND THE PROPAGANDISTS WILL NOT GET YOU ANYWHERE.

please, I'm not a blind follower like you...my opinions are my own

hmmm, seems like this practise is happening in Pakistan too.

http://www.michnews.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/242/11159

KIDNAP HINDU GIRL, FORCE MARRIAGE TO MUSLIM: PAKISTAN
By J. Grant Swank, Jr.
MichNews.com
Jan 5, 2006




Sanao Menghwar has had three of his daughters kidnapped, then forced to marry Muslim men. That means that the young women were coerced into becoming Islamics.

This happens daily, particularly in the Pakistani Sindh province, according to Hasan Mansoor, reporter, Midday.com.

Other Hindus in the province worry when their daughters will disappear. Therefore, there are entire Hindu families leaving Pakistan for Canada, India or other nations.Menghewar and his wife left their house on errands. When they returned to their residence, their daughters were missing. They reported the missing young women to the police department, filing the necessary papers. Neighbors helped them on a search party to locate the daughters, but to no avail.

Menghwar’s daughters have yet to be found. However, authorities have arrested three Islamic young men assumed to be connected with the girls’ kidnapping. The men have been released on bail by a court due to the men being minors.

"’Kidnapping Hindu girls like this has become a normal practice. The girls are then forced to sign stamp papers stating that they’ve become Muslims,’ says Laljee Menghwar, a member of the Hindu Panchayat in Karachi."

Because of Muslim threats, Hindus have had to turn to what those in the Netherlands are resorting to. Both areas have been under extreme pressure from maiming and killing Islamics so that the local citizens have put into action what one person refers to as "self-censorship."

There is no talk. There is no public utterance. There is nothing said negatively about the Muslims in the area for fear of being slain.

So it is that Islamic killers international could overtake country after country, area after area. Instill such fear in the people that no one speaks the facts concerning local Islamics kidnapping and killing; therefore, they have open skies to do just that — more so.

"’Hindus here are too frightened to vent their anger — they fear victimization,’ said one local."

Nevertheless, Pakistani Christian community members have come to their aid. The Christians have organized support for the Hindus persecuted by Muslims. The Christians have "carried out a demonstration with them in Karachi, protesting against this crime.

"Similarly startling incidents have occurred in several districts of Sindh and evoked identical responses. At least six Hindu girls met this fate a few months ago in Jacobabad (a tribal area heavily inhabited by Hindus) and Larkana districts.

"Sapna, the daughter of one Seth Giyanchand, was recently taken to a shrine (Amrote in Shikarpur district) by Shamsuddin Dasti. Dasti, a Muslim friend of Sapna’s brother, is a married man and father of two.

"Nevertheless, the custodian of the shrine, Maulvi Abdul Aziz lost no time in converting Sapna to Islam (her name was changed to ‘Mehek’) and marrying her to Dasti. The case came to light only when Sapna’s parents stated that their daughter hadn’t eloped but had been abducted."

Islamic fanaticism is increasing alarmingly, according to Nuzzhat Shirin of the Aurat Foundation. The fanatics erect shrines that are used in coercing "conversions." When a Hindu is forced to become a Muslim, zealot Islamics gather at the shrines, chanting and singing and marching in the streets.

Such a ruckus is made that if the young kidnapped girl appears in court, the fanatic Muslims yell, scream, throw rose petals into the air and follow the youth into the building so that she is so intimidated that she can hardly speak.

It is Muslim winning by intimidation. It is Muslim overcoming a culture by threatening. It is by Islamics abducting young girls that an entire community is snuffed out by moving away or succumbing to the Muslim murderers global.

"The threat of victimization by Muslims is palpable; Shirin says when forced conversion cases make it to court, lawyers themselves avoid taking them up, fearing a backlash from maulvis."

It is the same with so-called "honor killing." When Muslim males slay a Hindu female whom they have accused of dishonoring the clan in some way, usually police and media say nothing, looking the other way. Therefore, the slaughtering of innocent females continues daily.

"And forced conversions are not the only problem that the Hindu minority (there are 2.7 million Hindus in Pakistan; Pakistan’s total population is 140 million) is facing in the country.

"A powerful syndicate of bandits and patrons in the northern districts of Sindh regularly kidnap rich Hindus for ransom. They not only kill hostages if the ransom doesn’t arrive on time, they even kill some despite their ransom being paid.

"Sadham Chand Chawla, the former president of the Hindu Panchayat, Jacobabad, was abducted and murdered. His killers remain at large despite enormous protests. Following his murder, his family had received several threats until they secretly migrated to India."

BB condemns gang rape of Hindu women

Thursday March 01, 2007 (1032 PST)

Islamabad: Former Prime Minister and Chairperson of the Pakistan Peoples Party Benazir Bhutto has condemned the gang rape of Hindu women in village Ghulam Ali Khawar in Larkana tehsil and demanded arrest of the culprits and punishment to them according to the law.

The gang rape of Hindu women has brought into focus once again the miseries heaped on the minorities and will only bring a bad name to the country the world over, Benazir Bhutto said in a statement on Wednesday.

On Sunday eight armed people attacked the residence of a Hindu family in village Ghulam Ali Khawar in Larkana Tehsil, held the family at gunpoint, gang raped three women and decamped with loot. Earlier during this month Nasimah Labano in Ghotki was gang raped by criminals followed by another gang rape of another woman Nasima Girgej in the same locality.

"The lawlessness and anarchy marked by gang rapes, dacoities, murder and robberies in Sindh is growing every day as the regime has abdicated its responsibility due to obsession with getting General Musharraf re-elected from the same assemblies".

Benazir Bhutto said that it seemed that the regime had hired the criminals and dacoits to carry out its victimization campaign against the people to strike a terror in their hearts during election year.

She said that gangs of dacoits were roaming free in the province, street crimes had increased manifold and the life and property of citizens was not safe. "The worst thing is that no action is taken even when the victims summon courage to lodge complaints and even identify the extortionists and criminals to the police".

She demanded the arrest of the culprits who vandalised the members of the Hindu minority community as well as Nasimah Labano and Nasimah Girgej. She said the Party will raise the issue of deteriorating law and situation in the province and the indifference of the regime at all available forums.

It may be mentioned that ever since General Musharraf publicly exonerated the rapist of Dr Shazia Khalid and accused Pakistani women of getting themselves raped for dollars and visas the incidents of rape and violence against a women had increased.

http://paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?170536

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=38548&in_page_id=34

'Hindu girls targeted by extremists'
Thursday, February 22, 2007
'Hindu women being targeted for Islam'Muslim extremists who try to force teenage Hindu girls to convert to Islam are being targeted in a new police crackdown.

The recruiters – often paid £5,000 for each success – are stepping up 'aggressive conversion' tactics, especially around universities, religious leaders believe.

The Metropolitan Police have stepped in after commissioner Sir Ian Blair said many Hindus felt neglected by Scotland Yard.

Some young students have been beaten up and forced to abandon their courses by extremists, Hindu leaders told a security conference.

Islamic extremists invited the girls on dates before beginning campaigns of 'terrorism' until they converted, they claimed.

Ramesh Kallidai, from the Hindu Forum of Britain, said: 'Extremist Muslims make life miserable for Hindu girls.

'Some are petrified; they feel these men have complete hold on them.

One girl was beaten up in the street and others have been forced to leave university.'

The problem was most common in cities such as Birmingham, Leeds and Bradford, he added, while London universities had 'at least two or three cases' each.

Mr Kallidai estimated hundreds of girls had been targeted, with some reports of Muslim boys being offered £5,000 'commissions'.

The National Union of Students said it did not want to discriminate against Muslims but agreed some extremists were causing concern.

They have managed to infiltrate Brunel University in West London, Bedfordshire University, Sheffield Hallam University and Manchester Metropolitan University, according to a Muslim charity.

Sheikh Musa Admani, a 'troubleshooting' imam, fears many radicals are easily by-passing university bans on extremist sects such as Hizb ut Tahrirs and Al-Mujahiroun.

Scotland Yard is to set up a Hindu Safety Forum with 'aggressive conversion' as its top priority.

Sir Ian said: 'There is a feeling in the Hindu community that we have not given them as much attention as other groups.'

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article1464601.ece

From The TimesMarch 03, 2007

Muslims accused of blackmail to make student girls convertNicola Woolcock
Radical Muslims are being accused of blackmailing young Hindu and Sikh women into changing religion in “groomed conversions” on campuses.

The men aggressively target vulnerable university students by using the fear of being dishonoured to force them to convert, community leaders have told The Times. Many befriend their victims, then threaten to tell their families that they are in a sexual relationship with a Muslim. Some teenagers are said to have been drugged and photographed in compromising positions.

Many comply because they are so afraid of shaming their parents or being rejected by their communities.

Police are aware of the problem. Sir Ian Blair, the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, recently attended a Hindu conference where the issue was raised. But police are powerless to act unless incidents are reported. This rarely happens because the stigma of a child converting to Islam often silences Sikh and Hindu parents.

Community elders say that the practice is widespread but their estimates vary from 100 annual incidents nationwide to 120 in the past few months in the South East alone.

Ranjeet Singh, of the British Organisation of Sikh Students, said: “There are cases of aggressive techniques, of drugging and of rape, of the man taking photos and blackmailing the girls into converting.

“They know that by dishonouring the girls, they will make their families disown them. In the past few months there have been about 120 cases in Luton and the South East. It’s a problem that has been going on for a while, but a lot of people are reluctant to come forward and there’s not much being done.

“It’s not the whole Muslim community, it’s extremist individuals. Some girls are very innocent and vulnerable when they go to university. Then they are befriended by these men. We know of some whose lives have been ruined.”

Some of the young women have suffered physical violence. Others have said that the men claimed to have been paid to convert their victims.

Ramesh Kallidai, secretary-general of the Hindu Forum of Britain, said: “The main problem is these girls feel very vulnerable and intimidated by these men. They talk about it to their friends, who tell us what is happening, but don’t want to speak to the police. Some families are completely broken apart by it. It becomes difficult to admit in public.

“One girl was beaten up when she refused to convert. She is petrified. She only spoke to one other girl about it, who contacted us.”

One Sikh organisation sets up telephone helplines and arranges visits to temples to raise awareness of the problem. Its leader, who wishes his identity and the group’s to remain anonymous, said: “This is very much taboo. These issues have been going on for many years and come to the boil at university.

“I deal with many very serious cases. There are horrific examples of abuse and blackmail, with men saying they’re going to tell the girl’s parents. Then they’re pretty much trapped. We call it groomed conversions. Some of the girls go through with it because they feel they have no choice.

“The men start a relationship with them, with the agenda of conversion down the line. Sometimes they take a picture of her in a compromising position. It’s so easy with camera phones. An 18-year-old girl ends up in a situation that she can’t control.”

He said that the extremists were exploiting the Sikh community’s tendency to treat conversion as a grave dishonour, adding: “That’s a cultural mindset we need to tackle. It’s the worst thing you could face — worse than bankruptcy or losing your job.”

A Metropolitan Police spokeswoman confirmed that officers had attended a Hindu security conference last month. She said: “We are aware of it as an issue that concerns the Hindu community but are not aware, without further research, of any specific incidents reported to police. We would encourage anyone who has been targeted in this way to seek help.”

The usual vultures are out in force.
Bring the rapists to trial
This is England not Pakistan.
I maintaied that the headlines are wrong and thier only intent is to cause problems between Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims.