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Introduction:

Hinduism is one of the oldest pre-Christian pagan religions still viable in the world today. While we think of it as the faith of Mother India, it actually traces it origins to a mysterious tribe of Europeans called the Aryans who invaded and conquered Northern India from 1500 BC to 500 BC. The light-skinned Brahmins of Northern India claim to be their physical and spiritual descendants.

The Aryans:

The Aryans brought with them their sacred writings called the Vedas. They were originally fire worshippers and this is why they believed in cremation instead of burying their dead. They also invented the theory of soul-transmigration in which at death you do not go to heaven or to hell but you are reborn into another body on earth. This next body could be animal, vegetable or human depending on whether you were good or bad. Your past behavior catches up with you in your present life due to the law of karma.

You could in your next reincarnation end up a clam, a carrot, a bush or a human being. The highest rebirth you could wish for was to be born as one of the white-skinned Brahmins who by virtue of their color were considered the "higher" class.

The Ugly Reality of Racism:

The inherent racism of historic Hinduism is thus blatant. You were judged by the color of your skin, not the content of your character, skills or talents. The darker your skin, the lower your caste and rank in Hindu society. The whiter your skin, the higher your caste and rank. The Brahmins prided themselves on their white skin while despising the darker skinned untouchables who were often viewed and treated as sub-humans.

This explains why Hindu gurus are more than willing to travel to the West to convert rich white Europeans to Hinduism BUT never travel to black Africa to make converts. The truth is, they don't want black people whose skin color is an indication of bad karma. As long as they can sucker rich white people into giving them money ("Money is evil. So give it all to me.") why bother with darker skinned people?

This can be documented by the statements of many of the gurus who have reaped riches in the West. When one guru was asked on TV what he was doing to help the poor, he responded, "Let the Christians take care of them. I am here to help the rich."

The Caste System:

The terrible caste system was invented in order to protect the white Brahmins from polluting their sacred whiteness with black blood. You had to marry and to labor in the caste into which you were born. The lines were clearly drawn and on one was allowed to move from one caste to another by marriage or trade.

The mechanism of the caste system is tied to the Hindu theory of soul-transmigration in which your rebirth determines your caste. Your rebirth was predetermined by your karma. Your karma was in turn was determined by how you lived in your past life. For example, if you were born with a dark skin to untouchable parents, your life of misery and poverty is your punishment for being evil in your previous life. In other words, you are getting what you deserved.

The poor, the sick, the disabled, the dark-skinned, etc. are what they are because of their own fault. The deserve their suffering because they did something bad in a previous life and their karma has caught up with them. We should not interfere with their suffering because if we do, we will doom them to experience it in the next life. Thus the kindest thing to do is to let them alone so they get their suffering over and hopefully have a better rebirth the next time around.

On the other hand, if you were born with white skin to Brahmin parents, your life of wealth and pleasure is your reward for good deeds done in your previous life. You deserve to be rich and white. You earned it. Thus you have no moral obligation to help those less fortunate them you.

Social Evils:

The social inequities of Hinduism ultimately led millions of lower caste Indians to abandon Hinduism for Buddhism, Islam, Sikhism or Christianity because those religions did not lock them into a rigid caste system. Social and financial mobility required a change of religion. Of course, if you were a rich white Brahmin, why would you convert to a religion which would strip you of your social status and wealth?

Being originally fire worshippers, Hinduism developed the grisly practice of burning a widow alive on the funeral pyre of her husband (suttee). If she did not willing jump into the fire, she was often thrown into it by the mob gathered to watch her burn to death.

Child sacrifices to animal gods such as sacred crocodiles were common until this Hindu practice was criminalized by the British. The ritual murder and burial of travelers by the Kali cult (the thugees) is another example of Hinduism's inherently demonic nature and inspiration.

Other immoral practices of Hinduism included using children as sex slaves in Hindu temples. They not only served the sexual perversions of the priests and gurus but were used as prostitutes to bring in money. The poorest of the poor who often could not afford to keep a new child, left the baby in a temple assuming that the child would have a better life with the priests than with its parents. They doomed their child to a life of pain and misery.The tourist who travels to India's many temples is often shocked by wall art that depicts sodomy, child sex, orgies and bestiality of the grossest kind. Yet, all this is part of what lies at the core of Hinduism.

The same shock is received when tourists see Hindus drinking urine from animals and humans and smearing dung in their hair and on their body. The smell that emanates from the gurus, monks and holy men of Hinduism is enough to warn us that Hinduism is rotten to the core. .

Why are we beginning our discussion of Hinduism with such ugly topics as racism, the caste system, burning of widows, ritual child abuse and gross immorality? To see the true nature of Hinduism we must study what it produces in those societies where it is the dominant religion. Thus a mere abstract philosophic presentation of Hinduism in the classroom will give a false view of it. Hinduism is far more than a list of abstract dogmas. It is actually a social program that seeks to organize a culture according to Hindu concepts of soul-transmigration, karma, race and caste.

The Philosophic Failures of Hinduism:

1. Hinduism denies the existence of the infinite/personal triune God of the Bible who exists independent of and apart from the universe which He created out of nothing. It is atheistic in this sense.

2. Hinduism never solved the problem of the One and Many or the infinite/personal dichotomy.

3. Those Hindus who emphasize the One over the Many, teach Monism (All is One) and pantheism (All is God), erasing any distinction between Creator and creation. "God" is an impersonal infinite force or power which manifest itself as the universe around us. The "things" we see around us do not really exist per se. They are only illusions of the One. This is what the high caste Hindus teach the Westerners who come to India in search of "enlightenment."

4. The vast majority of Hindus do not follow the Brahmin doctrine of monism. Instead of emphasizing the One over the Many, they emphasize the Many over the One and practice the most vile forms of polytheism imaginable in which they worship millions of gods and goddesses. It is said that the Hindus worship more gods and goddesses than the total number of Hindus who exist today. They worship snakes, monkeys, elephants, crocodiles, cats, insects and other absurdities.

5. As a world view, Hinduism fails to answer crucial questions:

a. Why does the Universe exist as opposed to not existing? Since it cannot answer this question, Hinduism simply denies the existence of the world around us. It is an illusion (maya) or dream.

b. Is the universe eternal or did it have a beginning? Hinduism has always taught that the universe is eternal. But this has been successfully refuted by modern science. This also exposes an inherent contradiction within Hinduism. If the universe does not exist but is illusionary in nature, how then is it eternal? How can Hinduism speak of the universe going through eternal cycles if the universe does not exist?

c. Why does the Universe exist in such a form that predictability and science are possible? By denying the existence of the world around it, Hinduism did not develop science and cannot exist why it works.

d. What is evil? Once again, since Hinduism could not answer this question, it simply denied that evil existed.

e. Why does evil exist? Hinduism cannot answer this question.

f. What is man? Hinduism denies that we actually exist.

g. How can we explain the uniqueness of man? Hinduism cannot explain why man is distinct from the world around him.

h. Why do we do evil? Hinduism cannot answer this question.

i. What is sin? Because it does not have a concept of a personal/infinite Creator, Hinduism has no concept of "sin" per se.

j. How do we obtain forgiveness for our sins? There is no forgiveness in Hinduism. You will have to suffer in the next life for the evil you do in this present life. This answer exposes an inescapable contradiction within Hindu philosophy. If the universe, evil, and man do not actually exist but are only illusions (Maya), then on what grounds does karma exist? If it does not actually exist either, then on what grounds does reincarnation happen?

k. On what basis can we explain man's desire for meaning, significance, justice, morals, truth and beauty? Hinduism has no answer to these questions.

l. How can we provide a sufficient basis for meaning, significance, justice, morals, truth and beauty? Hinduism cannot provide a philosophic basis for any of these things.

Conclusion:

Hinduism cannot answer the essential philosophic questions that always arise wherever and whenever the human intellect matures. It has been weighed in the scales of truth and have been found lacking.

Even more importantly, Hinduism has no concept of a Creator God, the Creation, the Fall of man into sin and guilt, a Day of Judgment, atonement or forgiveness, or a Savior who redeems us from our sins by the sacrifice of Himself in our place.

It did not produce democracy, science or equality among different races and racks of mankind. Instead it produced great social evils which afflict the Indian people to this day. As a religion and a philosophy, Hinduism is a complete failure and cannot provide a basis for meaning, significance, justice, morals, truth and beauty.

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Always wondered why I could never find any black hindus...:-)
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Black as in Afro black or Indo black? FYI, there are black Indos that will scare the living day light out of you.
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PJ, where did you get your information from?

Do you believe what the article states and can you support the points in the article? If not, then why post that which anyone who is knowledgeable about Hindusim knows to be false?
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Like little Mikey and PJ wukking together now. That article displays quite a bit of ignorance... and hatred.
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Originally posted by antabanta:
Like little Mikey and PJ wukking together now. That article displays quite a bit of ignorance... and hatred.


What part displays ignorance and hatred? Is the article a lie? If so, you should point it out so that we learn the truth.
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the article paint a compelling story .... its all about how the storyteller tells the story. A person in a 100 yrs will say that G Bush was the best American president ever. And will give certain facts to support the argument. But is it true? Or was it so when he was the president?

The same here with the above article. Racism is everywhere and not limited to a religion since from eternity. Caste is used in Hinduism while sects in used in other religions. We can interchange these words in some cases. Then you have the writer questioning the beliefs of a Hindu .... in this case we can question the core practices and beliefs in each religion. You will find all the strange things in a religion especially if you are not from that religion.

What is interesting or what I think is contradicting is the writer is looking at Hinduism on a scientific point of view. Do we look at religion scientifically?
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quote:
Originally posted by limer:
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Originally posted by antabanta:
Like little Mikey and PJ wukking together now. That article displays quite a bit of ignorance... and hatred.
What part displays ignorance and hatred? Is the article a lie? If so, you should point it out so that we learn the truth.
Sorry... don't have time to waste on such crap.
However... since you asked, here are some tidbits... You must be aware that the decimal system is based on the concept of the zero which originated in the Vedas.
You also must be aware that the Aryan invasion itself is debateable.
And if you're unaware, the caste system as described in the Vedas is meant as a guide to help individuals define the general area they're best suited for. This is far removed from the prejudice practiced today in India.
Sanskrit is generally accepted as the mother of all languages.
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What part displays ignorance and hatred? Is the article a lie? If so, you should point it out so that we learn the truth.


I love how you does conveniently come out with your fangs bared when there are negative posts on Hinduism but you does run and hide at other times…if you really wanted to know the truth there are many places to look for it…anta nor anyone should have to spoon feed you...

Args, I find nothing scientific about the article…science is about facts…what is factual about that article? The entire diatribe on caste is nonsensical and is written by one who lacks comprehension of what caste truly means.
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Originally posted by Petal29:
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Originally posted by limer:
What part displays ignorance and hatred? Is the article a lie? If so, you should point it out so that we learn the truth.


I love how you does conveniently come out with your fangs bared when there are negative posts on Hinduism but you does run and hide at other times…if you really wanted to know the truth there are many places to look for it…anta nor anyone should have to spoon feed you...

Args, I find nothing scientific about the article…science is about facts…what is factual about that article? The entire diatribe on caste is nonsensical and is written by one who lacks comprehension of what caste truly means.


I simply asked for Anta to clarify his points. I do not see any "fangs" in my post..I do see many in yours, though...
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Originally posted by antabanta:
Like little Mikey and PJ wukking together now. That article displays quite a bit of ignorance... and hatred.


So you do concur that Hinduism is all about ignorance and hatred? I think the article addresses Hinduism directly and if this is your conclusion then all is well and good bro.If not show us otherwise.
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Originally posted by limer:
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Originally posted by Petal29:
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Originally posted by limer:
What part displays ignorance and hatred? Is the article a lie? If so, you should point it out so that we learn the truth.


I love how you does conveniently come out with your fangs bared when there are negative posts on Hinduism but you does run and hide at other times…if you really wanted to know the truth there are many places to look for it…anta nor anyone should have to spoon feed you...

Args, I find nothing scientific about the article…science is about facts…what is factual about that article? The entire diatribe on caste is nonsensical and is written by one who lacks comprehension of what caste truly means.


I simply asked for Anta to clarify his points. I do not see any "fangs" in my post..I do see many in yours, though...

They will resort to attacking you instead of addressing the article in question.
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I simply asked for Anta to clarify his points. I do not see any "fangs" in my post..I do see many in yours, though...


Of course you wouldn’t see any…afterall you intents were pure, right? We all can see what we want...

SuperMike, bai really you need an extensive comprehension class.
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They will resort to attacking you instead of addressing the article in question.


…and what are you doing in this post Mikey? The article has been addressed and deemed trash…if you need to see specifically why, you are an adult you can check it out for yourself if your intent is truly to educate yourself.
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
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Originally posted by antabanta:
Like little Mikey and PJ wukking together now. That article displays quite a bit of ignorance... and hatred.


So you do concur that Hinduism is all about ignorance and hatred? I think the article addresses Hinduism directly and if this is your conclusion then all is well and good bro.If not show us otherwise.
That's exactly the kind of ignorance I'm talking about...
You to to be real stchupid not to see the article itself as an attack.
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Originally posted by Petal29:
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Originally posted by limer:
I simply asked for Anta to clarify his points. I do not see any "fangs" in my post..I do see many in yours, though...


Of course you wouldn’t see any…afterall you intents were pure, right? We all can see what we want...

SuperMike, bai really you need an extensive comprehension class.

Pet..this is not about me...this is about the article wa PJ post...i suggest that you take it piece by piece and dispute it...expose the writer and let him and all here know that what he wrote is pure BULL..prove the fool wrong...Come on Pet
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
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Originally posted by antabanta:
Like little Mikey and PJ wukking together now. That article displays quite a bit of ignorance... and hatred.


So you do concur that Hinduism is all about ignorance and hatred? I think the article addresses Hinduism directly and if this is your conclusion then all is well and good bro.If not show us otherwise.
That's exactly the kind of ignorance I'm talking about...
You to to be real stchupid not to see the article itself as an attack.


OWW Bhai...see wid me na..me na bin far ah skool...OK then here is a wonderful opportunity to debunk his false theory…I will love to see you taking this writer to task and destroy this article piece after piece.:)
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Originally posted by Petal29:
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Originally posted by limer:
I simply asked for Anta to clarify his points. I do not see any "fangs" in my post..I do see many in yours, though...


Of course you wouldn’t see any…afterall you intents were pure, right? We all can see what we want...

SuperMike, bai really you need an extensive comprehension class.


Don't prejudge me...if the article ticks you off then address it...don't take it out on me...
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Petal and Antabanta: the fault is yours. Not pj's. I don't know why he posted that, and I will not look into his heart. But you ought NOT to have answered it..from beginning to end it is a bunch of lies and not only that: it is maliciously skewed. PJ did not write that. The idiot who penned such filth ought to have been ignored.
The Muslim theologians discovered only too late the following: when someone says something nonsensical, if everyone rushes to answer him, his nonsense gets publicised and although stupid, might gain attraction. If ignored, it dies a natural death.
Every single one of the claims was so nonsensical. I was observing. ANd was so happy to see when no one bothered it. But you opened a can of worms and now have to waste time answering genuine questions. Of course, you can instead of answering the questions of anyone, ask for the initial article's author to provide proof of his contention.
IN writing, and according to the law of logic and litigation, the burden of proof lies upon the plaintiff/propounder. Let him show his proof. OR be relegated to the cesspit for prevaricators.
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Once again..this has nothing to do with PJ, who seems to have unfortunately stumbled upon missiological propaganda. The missionary makes false statements putting the ones against whom his venom is directed on the defensive. I know because I studied with JW's for a long while, and I saw missionary booklets on training. YOu guys fell for it.
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Petal and Antabanta: the fault is yours. Not pj's. I don't know why he posted that, and I will not look into his heart. But you ought NOT to have answered it..from beginning to end it is a bunch of lies and not only that: it is maliciously skewed. PJ did not write that. The idiot who penned such filth ought to have been ignored.
The Muslim theologians discovered only too late the following: when someone says something nonsensical, if everyone rushes to answer him, his nonsense gets publicised and although stupid, might gain attraction. If ignored, it dies a natural death.
Every single one of the claims was so nonsensical. I was observing. ANd was so happy to see when no one bothered it. But you opened a can of worms and now have to waste time answering genuine questions. Of course, you can instead of answering the questions of anyone, ask for the initial article's author to provide proof of his contention.
IN writing, and according to the law of logic and litigation, the burden of proof lies upon the plaintiff/propounder. Let him show his proof. OR be relegated to the cesspit for prevaricators.


This is precisely why I asked Anta to clarify his claims...I doan know Hinduism and if this article is lies, then the onus in on those knowledgeable about it to say something. Instead Petal seems to be honin' in on meh...
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Every religion have some dark and unfaithful history that many would chose to leave unexposed to protect their religion from shame.

Take for instance, some here are apposing to the contents of the article while some supports it.

It is obvious that Hindus may feel dreadful to learn of the ugliness of their religion. Hinduism shouldn't bear the burden of the sinful act that manking committed through Hinduism.

We are living in an information age and we must not limit our selves to accept history for what it is, even if it affects our own beliefs.

We are living in modern times where religions have gone through many transformation. Regretfully, many shameless acts are committed daily in other parts of the world in the name of religion.