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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
Posts: 2594
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Letter of Endorsement
Muslims' Letter of Endorsement STATEMENT OF MUSLIM SUPPORT FOR PIPES APPOINTMENT TO USIP BOARD The undersigned endorse President Bush's nomination of Daniel Pipes, to the board of the U.S. Institute of Peace. We believe the nomination is a positive action, and urge Senate confirmation, because: * Dr. Pipes has demonstrated wide expertise in the study of Islamic history and politics, working with original source materials in languages which he has mastered. * The USIP board is an appropriate place for his sometimes controversial views to be examined and debated. * Organizations identified with an Islamist perspective have expressed their opposition to his appointment, claiming to speak on behalf of all Muslims. We wish to make clear that they represent an extremist viewpoint that does not represent all or even a majority of American Muslims. Whether one agrees or disagrees with Dr. Pipes, and some of us do strenuously disagree with aspects of his work, his views are part of the mainstream of debate on Middle East and Islamic issues, and they deserve to be heard in the USIP context. 1. Tashbih Sayyed - Editor in Chief, Pakistan Today 2. Fatima Sayyed - Director, Council for Democracy and Tolerance 3. Dr. Khalid Duran - Author, Editor, South Asia In review, Chairman, Ibn-e-Khaldun Society 4. Jamal Hasan - Author, Scholar and broadcaster 5. Younus Mansour - Professor, Author 6. Khaleel Mohammad - Proffessor, Political Analyst 7. Dr. kadir Baksh, - Attorney 8. Dr. Kaiyume Baksh - Medical doctor/bussinessmen 9. Farouk Ohab - Mortgage broker 10. Kamal Mohammed - Machinist 11. Professor Fouad Ajami 12. Professor Saadollah Ghaussy 13. Ali Günertem 14. Thomas J Hamza Mohammed - Haidon, J.D. 15. Ali Jafarzadeh 16. Amir Sheibany 17. Stephen Schwartz - Author, Scholar 18. Nonie Darwish - Author/Columnist, Political Analyst 19. Shab Madina 20. Esam Sohail 21. Dr. Khurshed A. Chowdhury 22. Dr. A. H. Jaffor Ullah 23. Dr. Shabbir Ahmed 24. Safiyyah bint Khaleel - Student 25. Hannah bint Khaleel - Student 26. Jamela Mohammed - Business Person 27. Rashid Zaman - System Analyst 28. Shameela Ali - Accountant 29. Ayube Ali - Machinist 30. Arif Ali - Audio System Desighner 31. Roshanara Mohammed - Administrative Assistant 32. Zaimah Othman - Office Manager 33. Aliya Baksh - Photographer 34. Schevana Baksh - Social Worker 35. Joel Baksh - Hair Designer 36. Ryhaan Baksh-Zaman - Computer System Analyst 37. Hafeeza Ali - Restaurant Manager 38. Rayman Ali - Bussinessman 39. Rafik Ali - Office Manager 40. Rasheed Ali - Student 41. Hisan mohammad - Researcher 42. Yousuf mohammad - Reseach Assistant 43. Umar Ali - Student 44. Sharif ALi - Student 45. Farah Ali - Social worker 46. Surayya Khan - Medical Doctor 47. Samina Nabi - Graphic Designer 48. Zainab Mohammad - Secretary 49. Mustafa Imam - Medical Doctor 50. Arbab Khan - Bio-Chemist 51. Saeed uz Zafar - Marketing 52. Shahid Ahmad - Medical Doctor 53. Samina Syed - Attorney 54. Shareef Hussain - Medical Student 55. Anna Jordan - Activist 56. Hamid S. 57. Atef A. Khalifa, MD, FACS 58. Azhar Khan - Activist 59. Basma M. Khalifa, DDS 60. Hany Rayan - Businessman 61. Douglass Brown, PhD 62. Sharif Khan - Chief Editor, Submission.org 63. Dr. Khurshed A. Chowdhury 64. Maha Rayan - Housewife 65. Mariam Khalili - Student, hospitality 66. Muzaffar Naim - Information technology 67. Natalia J. Khalifa - Student 68. Reza Noorkayhani - CPA Senior accountant 69. Nora Rayan 70. Mr. Quddus Khan 71. Mrs. Quddus Khan 72. Samir Nandy 73. Sandra N. Khalifa - Student 74. STEVE SARAY - Submission.org 75. KATE SARAY - Submission.org 76. Soad Khalifa 77. Mahmood Ahmad, MD 78. Farima E. Colain 79. Sulaiman Ghaussy - Financial Analyst, Fairfax, VA |
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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
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Wonder who these 3 wannabees are? If I remember they are brothers and one a convict.
One convicted for kidnapping and fraud. He presently wears ankel jewelry. Edit: take out the word convicts, since prof. corintini wants to take me to court now. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Abu Jihad, |
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why are you so vile?
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Senior Member Location: Every action is judged by intention - Muhammad
Registered:: April 04, 2005
Posts: 10270
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How does Daniel Pipes and peace go together. He is no different from the jihadists.
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Senior Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
Posts: 12235
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I endorsed Pipes for his stance against Jihadism. It does not mean I support him in everything he does...nor does he me. He has said so. But I would rather sit with him...for he makes no bones about his agenda. And he has a Harvard Ph.D in his field...perhaps he is not peaceful...but he defends his position with logic.
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Senior Member Location: wherever there is good food
Registered:: February 15, 2007
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Reds: you seem to forget my analogy about the Pachyderm and the pissant. Hmmm.I wonder..just for the sake of family ties...I also have family that deal drugs, that beat up on their wives. But you see..they don't pretend to know islam. And further..since blood and kinship are the apparent criteria of assessment..I know a man whose uncle was the epitome of evil. In theory that blood runs in his veins. See Abu Jahl and Muhammad were related. Not likening myself to the prophet...althlugh he was JUST A MAN--but just seeking to apply the same yardstick. Jesus..respected by all..said that by their fruits ye shall know them. In the Bhagavad Gita, Krsna tells arjuna that each person has a sort of stamp upon himself..he cannot be but what he is. Some of us, according to that hindu logic, since we on GNI, of indo descent are all ancestrally tied to hindusim...must be pachyderms, and others pissants.Hark! the voice of conscience calls. I am breaking my oath to ignore...I have said too much.
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Senior Member Location: Every action is judged by intention - Muhammad
Registered:: April 04, 2005
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That is my point. I don't have a problem with him speaking out about jihadists. I do so myself since I believe that they are the cause of a lot of grief that well meaning Muslims are having to deal with today. He makes many very destructive statements and like you said, he is not peaceful. So it just seem odd that he would be on a peace team. Of all the modern day people of recognition, Carter tops my list for people to be on any peace team. He would get more accomplished than Pipes would and if Bush had accepted Carter's offer to mediate a peaceful end to the Iraq situation back in 2002, we would not have this mess that we have right now over there. But Bush had to show that he has bigger nuts and it turned out that he only managed to prove that he has no nuts. Guess which side Pipes was on? Well you already know. :)
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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
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The divisions of mankind was clearly outlined in Sura Baqara among the three catagories of people.
The entire Quran is a commentary upon these groups, and how one becomes the other, and the enmity between them and the results of remaining partisans to one of them. [1] Those who believe (whether righteous or sinner) [2] Those who disbelieve (which includes the Jews and Christians) [3] the hypocrites (who as the Quran delineates are outwardly obedient and more 'pious' than the believers, but whose one outstanding quality, is that they have taken the disbelievers as protecting friends over and against the believers!). Now, where does our resident scholar fit? |
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Member Registered:: June 07, 2000
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Thats like muslims nominating Hitler for the Nobel Peace Prize since he also dont like the Jews. What a silly man. |
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GC of GGG Registered:: July 28, 2002
Posts: 5076
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look abu - this is far from what you should be doing - an apology by editing is no apology at all - i think you should apologize to the professor and khayum in a formal manner - while kadir may have had his problems (and if you know the man there are mitigating factors)and you may be right in your reporting - it is not necessary to do so on this forum |
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Senior Member Location: Aragorn
Registered:: June 23, 2006
Posts: 11365
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Abu in trouble again lol.
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GC of GGG Registered:: July 28, 2002
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there is ah REAL lawsuit in this |
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Member Registered:: April 07, 2006
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Doc...which one of us here have a perfect family... 2ndly who r we to judge??? Man sees the outward but God ( and only GOD) sees the heart! As u quoted Jesus saying that we r judged by our fruits... I believe there is another one that say 'tek de beam out uf yuh own eyes b4 yuh point out de SPECK in yuh broda's" Do i hear an ameen!!! As ADULTS, we r accountable for our own actions...we r not responible for each other's actions/behaviour..( ie as long as we r not conspirators or dont condone the 'crimes') Finally we r all human beings ..we all make mistakes..and will always do since we r not GOD! ( only GOD doesnt make mistake) but as long as we are aware of those mistakes , make restituion and make a conscious efffort not to repeat the same mistakes over and over... |
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Member Registered:: April 07, 2006
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no..lol will have to ask someone... know a lot of sayings..( cant quote for i dont have the exact words..lol) the Doc mite know..since he quoted what Jesus said about fruits in his post! this reminds me of what my ajee used to seh.. if yuh 'clean yuh own eyes, den yuh can see other people properly' (meaning?? the dirt is actualy in yr own eyes) dem ole folks were wise,nevah mine dem nah bi n to university etc... This message has been edited. Last edited by: seema, |
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GC of GGG Registered:: July 28, 2002
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is some ting attributed to jesus christ in either matthew, mark luke or john |
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Senior Member Location: Every action is judged by intention - Muhammad
Registered:: April 04, 2005
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Matthew 07:1-5 "1": Judge not, that ye be not judged. "2": For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. "3": And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? "4": Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? "5": Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. |
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Member Registered:: April 07, 2006
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Ksazma..where do u get these? How u find the verses when u dont have the exact words? 2ndly, can u find one without the 'thou' lol i mean a present day Eng version? thanks |
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Member Registered:: April 07, 2006
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Reds:
hey seema its all good. i know plenty myself but i always forget the reference :) no worries. QUOTE] i f iknow the exact quote..theni can google..eh/ but that's my problem..iknow these stuff because i hear them from other people.....lol |
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Elite Member Location: Homeless in New York, Lil ABC dropout!
Registered:: March 22, 1999
Posts: 24147
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Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. [Buddha]
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Member Registered:: August 04, 2005
Posts: 2921
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You know, I sometimes think that all these endorsements by Muslims for Mr Pipes were sometimes made up...guess I was wrong.
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Senior Member Location: Every action is judged by intention - Muhammad
Registered:: April 04, 2005
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I know the Bible a lil bit. I balieve the the New American Version is in modern english. |
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Member Registered:: April 07, 2006
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oh.. i thought u found those on internet..so i was askinghow u were able to find the verses without having the exact words.. |
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Elite Member Location: Homeless in New York, Lil ABC dropout!
Registered:: March 22, 1999
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