for all religions?
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Originally posted by krishna:
for all religions?
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No, they are not. Jesus is one God, Allah is another God, Krishna, Shiva, sun god, moon god, Bacchus, the Roman God of wine. All different gods created by different religions/cultures to suit their own purposes.

Back up. Is there a god?
Abrhamic: Jews, Muslims, Xians originally claimed the same. But then later tradition changed THEIR CONCEPT (see Andre's entry)..and so they reconstructed God largely according to THEIR expectations. While professing to serve God, they tried to make God serve them. Hence Spinoza's construct of MAN creating God rather than vice versa.
Hinduism: A misnomer put on Indian RELIGIONS by the Muslims. One God, but the philosophy of symbolism, of God's various attributes was too much for the common man. THis is why the Vedas was to be learnt by pandits only, not read by dumbasses in the street. Same with upanishads. So highly symbolic that when the average person read it, he thought he understood it, but did not.
End result: what andre has stated.
But my question: is there a god? I think this is what Arty was trying to fight with me about a few months back. Believers say yes. Can we prove yea or nay? After I eat a few sapodillas, I will be ready for that one...
I like the buddhist take: why worry about if there is a god, or one or several? Why don't we focus on being good to each other? The noble eight fold path. that is how we will find happiness...or rather,free ourselves from suffering.

i see ur point guys.

But isnt THE supreme being> THE supreme being for all>

think about that logically.

Iqbal busted that.
The argument was that the highest being one could think of exists in the mind, and if it exists there, then it could not have come just like that. Iqbal..calling it the ontological argument..said..if i think A has money in his pocket, and everyone else thinks so, does that make it so?
YEt, iqbal believed in God. Why? As a sufi, he said he did not look for proof..it was just a light within him that he sensed. Researchers have now found something they call the "god" gene. Needs some reading up on.
Sam Harris, letter to a christian nation, might not buy into this.
Some Japanese beleive God is within all of us..and you know the hindu concept of atman...that is intellectually appealing as it covers all the bases...spinoza's, intelligent design, the abrahamic one all of them are covered in hinduism...

A faith based Muslim/Jew/Christian would argue yes. But that god has different laws for different people, different customs. And that what matters is that they are good and exhort to good. From a Muslm view, this is why it says piety is not to turn to east or west, but to believe, and act with good ethics. Same for Jud. Same for Xity. Same for Hinduism.
Jainism does not believe in God, nor buddhism.

The existence of God cannot be proven directly, of course. However, I believe an intelligent being can conclude such from his experiences and the studying of his environment. While God (The All-Controller) cannot be seen per se, His existence is manifested in the intricacies of the very world we live in.

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Originally posted by limer:
The existence of God cannot be proven directly, of course.

It exists for those of us who believe.

For Limer: here Arty's statement speaks volumes. A philosopher, a non-theist, would run circles around your statement. Read Iqbals "reconstruction of Islamic thought" wherein he argues..like christians and jews..that this idea of "proving" god is nonsense. God exists because you think s/he does. That thought may be concordant with reality, or not. I am NOT denying God, I am simply putting the argument.
This is why, when Muslims and Jews fight about ifJesus was god or man, a good christian simply laughs and says "I have found him."

There are different gods. Even the 10 Commandments mentions the non-worshippng of any other God.

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Originally posted by krishna:
for all religions?
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yes.

Ana al-haqq
ham brahmasmi

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Originally posted by Reds:

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Originally posted by krishna:
for all religions?
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yes.

Are you saying that the Christian God
Jesus, the Muslim God Allah, the Aztec God Quetzalcoatl and the Hindu God Shiva are all one and the same?

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Originally posted by krishna:
for all religions?
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yes.

Are you saying that the Christian God
Jesus, the Muslim God Allah, the Aztec God Quetzalcoatl and the Hindu God Shiva are all one and the same?

They are not. Don't forget that the devil is the god of evil. That is yet another god then.

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for all religions?
discuss

yes.

Are you saying that the Christian God
Jesus, the Muslim God Allah, the Aztec God Quetzalcoatl and the Hindu God Shiva are all one and the same?

no.

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for all religions?
discuss

yes.

Are you saying that the Christian God
Jesus, the Muslim God Allah, the Aztec God Quetzalcoatl and the Hindu God Shiva are all one and the same?

no.

Is this your final answer? One time yuh seh yes one time yuh seh no. :-))

No is the correct answer. Religions create their own gods to suit their individual needs so of course they will all be different.

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Originally posted by Reds:

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for all religions?
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yes.

Are you saying that the Christian God
Jesus, the Muslim God Allah, the Aztec God Quetzalcoatl and the Hindu God Shiva are all one and the same?

no.

Is this your final answer? One time yuh seh yes one time yuh seh no. :-))

No is the correct answer. Religions create their own gods to suit their individual needs so of course they will all be different.

the answer is 'yes' to krishna question...however 'no' to yours. there is a difference in both questions. :)

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for all religions?
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yes.

Are you saying that the Christian God
Jesus, the Muslim God Allah, the Aztec God Quetzalcoatl and the Hindu God Shiva are all one and the same?

no.

Is this your final answer? One time yuh seh yes one time yuh seh no. :-))

No is the correct answer. Religions create their own gods to suit their individual needs so of course they will all be different.

the answer is 'yes' to krishna question...however 'no' to yours. there is a difference in both questions. :)

How can God be one and the same for all religions and then not the same for those specific ones that I've listed? You're contradicting yourself with your answers.

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Hey Dre, yuh keep missing the point. There is only one God who created and sustains all of us. This cannot be diminished by people considering others to be God. The God who created Muslims also created Hindus, Christians, Jews and all others, even you. Try not to mix things up in yuh head bai :)

No matter how much I think that an apple is an orange, it is still an apple and not an orange. Hope yuh understand now :)

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Originally posted by ksazma:
Hey Dre, yuh keep missing the point. There is only one God who created and sustains all of us. This cannot be diminished by people considering others to be God. The God who created Muslims also created Hindus, Christians, Jews and all others, even you. Try not to mix things up in yuh head bai :)

No matter how much I think that an apple is an orange, it is still an apple and not an orange. Hope yuh understand now :)

ameeen me brudda :)

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Originally posted by ksazma:
Hey Dre, yuh keep missing the point. There is only one God who created and sustains all of us. This cannot be diminished by people considering others to be God. The God who created Muslims also created Hindus, Christians, Jews and all others, even you. Try not to mix things up in yuh head bai :)

No matter how much I think that an apple is an orange, it is still an apple and not an orange. Hope yuh understand now :)

"There is only one God who created and sustains all of us" is a Muslim belief. Fortunately Muslims do not speak for the entire world. When you are going to make these type of statements, they should be preceded by the words "Muslims believe that" as you cannot take your beliefs and impose it on the rest of mankind as being factual. I just thought that I'd let you know that I was created by two gods and they are not the same ones who created you. Actually one god and a goddess. The god has since departed the earth but the goddess is still alive and kicking in GT. If the god had departed more than 9 months before I was born I would not be present here today. The only person who sustains me right now is currently typing this to you. If I didn't get my ass up and go to work everyday no one is going to pay my bills for me no matter how much or who I pray to. Now back to Krishna's question. Unless you can prove to me that Jesus, Allah, Shiva, Vishnu, Quetzalcoatl, Kami and all the other gods are a representation of the same thing then the answer to Krishna's question is no. God is not one and the same for every religion.

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Originally posted by ksazma:
Hey Dre, yuh keep missing the point. There is only one God who created and sustains all of us. This cannot be diminished by people considering others to be God. The God who created Muslims also created Hindus, Christians, Jews and all others, even you. Try not to mix things up in yuh head bai :)

No matter how much I think that an apple is an orange, it is still an apple and not an orange. Hope yuh understand now :)

"There is only one God who created and sustains all of us" is a Muslim belief. Fortunately Muslims do not speak for the entire world. When you are going to make these type of statements, they should be preceded by the words "Muslims believe that" as you cannot take your beliefs and impose it on the rest of mankind as being factual. I just thought that I'd let you know that I was created by two gods and they are not the same ones who created you. Actually one god and a goddess. The god has since departed the earth but the goddess is still alive and kicking in GT. If the god had departed more than 9 months before I was born I would not be present here today. The only person who sustains me right now is currently typing this to you. If I didn't get my ass up and go to work everyday no one is going to pay my bills for me no matter how much or who I pray to. Now back to Krishna's question. Unless you can prove to me that Jesus, Allah, Shiva, Vishnu, Quetzalcoatl, Kami and all the other gods are a representation of the same thing then the answer to Krishna's question is no. God is not one and the same for every religion.

Like I said, you are completely missing the point. Not because you don't hear the tree fall does not mean that it did not make a noise. Belief has nothing to do with reality. Never heard of a dead God. :)

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Originally posted by André:

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Originally posted by ksazma:
Hey Dre, yuh keep missing the point. There is only one God who created and sustains all of us. This cannot be diminished by people considering others to be God. The God who created Muslims also created Hindus, Christians, Jews and all others, even you. Try not to mix things up in yuh head bai :)

No matter how much I think that an apple is an orange, it is still an apple and not an orange. Hope yuh understand now :)

"There is only one God who created and sustains all of us" is a Muslim belief. Fortunately Muslims do not speak for the entire world. When you are going to make these type of statements, they should be preceded by the words "Muslims believe that" as you cannot take your beliefs and impose it on the rest of mankind as being factual. I just thought that I'd let you know that I was created by two gods and they are not the same ones who created you. Actually one god and a goddess. The god has since departed the earth but the goddess is still alive and kicking in GT. If the god had departed more than 9 months before I was born I would not be present here today. The only person who sustains me right now is currently typing this to you. If I didn't get my ass up and go to work everyday no one is going to pay my bills for me no matter how much or who I pray to. Now back to Krishna's question. Unless you can prove to me that Jesus, Allah, Shiva, Vishnu, Quetzalcoatl, Kami and all the other gods are a representation of the same thing then the answer to Krishna's question is no. God is not one and the same for every religion.

Like I said, you are completely missing the point. Not because you don't hear the tree fall does not mean that it did not make a noise. Belief has nothing to do with reality. Never heard of a dead God. :)

If you call your creator a god then one of my gods is dead since I was created by two living people and one of them has since died. ;-)

You are so brainwashed that you wouldn't know reality even if it jumped up and hit you in the head. The reality is that many religions have their own God/s and they are not the same as yours. Now please repeat 100 times or in multiples of 100 thereafter until it sinks into your skull - "Belief has nothing to do with reality." :-))

You guys are rough. Laugh.

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Originally posted by André:

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Originally posted by krishna:
for all religions?
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No, they are not. Jesus is one God, Allah is another God, Krishna, Shiva, sun god, moon god, Bacchus, the Roman God of wine. All different gods created by different religions/cultures to suit their own purposes.

Created or interpreted? I submit the choice of words makes a big difference in the argument.

No first year students of religion around to respond?

I thought Andre's last post had preempted the search for an answer?
In fairness to you though, you are embarking on what is known as phenomenology. Reds started it but backed off when she realised