I make this post to help many who have emailed me to clarify their family names and to englighten the public. Its not too late to make the corrections.

In Eatern UP Zeen is pronounced like Jeem, Examples:

Najeer = Nazir
Nijam = Nizam
Jaiton = Zaiton
Nijamuddin = Nizamuddin
Ramjan = Ramzan

Lets focus on the prefix UN to make an Arabic name female, Ameerun or Ameeran, Bashirun,Bashiran, Latifan, Nasirun or Nasiran; eventually, these names began appearing with the suffix MOON or OON, as we lost our mother tongue and there were not guidance from the elders. Once you dont know the meaning of a name, how can you correctly spell it or familiar with the Urdu phonics.

I invite others to share

NAIPAL = Naipaul
RAJPAL became Rajpaul
PRASAD became persaud
Kishen became Kisson

They certainly made a mess of things in the colonial times in GY, in the registry of birth.
At least with my family.

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Originally posted by asj:
They certainly made a mess of things in the colonial times in GY, in the registry of birth.
At least with my family.

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I have a list of name out there to help out people. Its not too late to make changes. Lets share.

I do like the name Ameeran/Ameerun

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Originally posted by Jansher:

I have a list of name out there to help out people. Its not too late to make changes. Lets share.

I do like the name Ameeran/Ameerun

I have a friend with the same name but spell Amiran

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Originally posted by Jansher:

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Originally posted by asj:
They certainly made a mess of things in the colonial times in GY, in the registry of birth.
At least with my family.

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I have a list of name out there to help out people. Its not too late to make changes. Lets share.

I do like the name Ameeran/Ameerun

BaiJan, My grandfather when he came from India, his name was either Sahibdeen, Sahabuddin, or Shahab ud Din or Shahabudeen.
It is surprising to know that this family ended up with different surnames.

Bastardization of Indian Names as you correctly implied in this thread.
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my great grampa name was Emamali, my grampa ended up wid Imam Ali hence my surname

Deres not too many Emamali around

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Originally posted by DaFreak:
my great grampa name was Emamali, my grampa ended up wid Imam Ali hence my surname

Deres not too many Emamali around

And now you is a Freak show.

My grandfather was Babulall Cheekhory and i dont know how we ended up with Chickerie.

I can help explain some of this.

The Indians depended on English speakers to register their children; they did not actively part take in recording the birth since it was a geographical nightmare. The constrains were enermous. They would have had to travel to the cities to do the registration.If harry or Ramlall were going to the city they asked him to register the child and he went with what he was told him. They did not write the details for him. Many families took it for granted that he/she knew how to spell the surname, and even the child's given name was screwed up. Besides registeration at the calcutta depot, am talking about the other generations born in GUyana.

As well, Indians did not married legally since HIndus and Muslim marriages were not recognized and most of your grandparents and great grandparents were not legally married. Later, when they began to register these marriages and births major mistakes were made.

The British civilizing policies was determental to the Indians.

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how two names ended up as one surname eg
Esau Hack

Esahack (my nana's name)

jansher...what do you make of this name:

"bux"..?

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Originally posted by Reds:
jansher...what do you make of this name:

"bux"..?

Bux = Baksh.

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Originally posted by BK:

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Originally posted by Reds:
jansher...what do you make of this name:

"bux"..?

Bux = Baksh.

how about "edunbux"...i may have completely botched that spelling....

which one is correct? thanks BK...

that would be Edun Baksh or Edun Bacchus

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Originally posted by BK:
that would be Edun Baksh or Edun Bacchus

thats is there.

is there a website i can check this linage?

I don't know you will have to find out from one of this person's relative. The only "famous" Edun that I read about is Ayube Edun.

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Originally posted by DaFreak:
how two names ended up as one surname eg
Esau Hack

Esahack (my nana's name)

Good obervation unless it was Ishaq/Issac.

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Originally posted by BK:
that would be Edun Baksh or Edun Bacchus

Bacchus is the anglo version of Bux/Baksh like BK suggested.

When the british translated non english words and names to english they obviously made mistakes . Even when indians translated hindi words to english they too screwed up on the phonetics . How does one really translate a hindi or chinese word to english ? Mao Tse Tung after decades became Mao Zedong a change made by the chinese but is it right ? Arabic which is the a semitic language os closely related to hebrew and aramaic yet it lent many of it's words to english , like latin , greek and urdu and sanskrit but when uniquely urdu , sanskrit , hindu and other older languages are translated into english they lose their real meaning . How do we know that persaud , persad and prashad are not all wrong ? Things that make you go Hmmmmmm!

for example, Napaul or Naipaul is derived from Nepaul and Beharry from Bihar.

Asj i was telling you that the suffix UDDIN was popular in North India where most of our ancestors came from. Many were names after Mughal Emperors.


Zahiruddin Mohammed Babur
February 14, 1483 1526-1530 December 26, 1530 Founder of the Mughal Dynasty.

Nasiruddin Mohammed Humayun
March 6, 1508 1530-1540 January 1556 Reign interrupted by Suri Dynasty. Youth and inexperience at ascension led to his being regarded as a less effective ruler than usurper, Sher Shah Suri.


Sher Shah Suri
1472 1540-1545 May 1545 Deposed Humayun and led the Suri Dynasty; introduced tight, effective administration policies that would later be adopted by Akbar.

Islam Shah Suri c.1500
1545-1554 1554 2nd and last ruler of the Suri Dynasty, with less control of the empire than his father; claims of sons Sikhandar and Adil Shah were eliminated by Humayun's restoration.


Humayun (restored)
March 6, 1508 1555-1556 January 1556 Restored rule was more unified and effective than initial reign of 1530-1540; left unified empire for his son, Akbar.

Jalaluddin Mohammed Akbar

November 1542 1556-1605 October 27, 1605 Akbar added the most territory to the Empire and is regarded as the most illustrious ruler of the Mughal Dynasty; under him, Muslim/Hindu relations were at their highest.


Nuruddin Mohammed Jahangir
October 1569 1605-1627 1627 Jahangir set the precedent for sons rebelling against their Emperor fathers. Opened first relations with the British East India Company. Sadly he was an alcoholic and his favourite wife Nur Jahan became the real power behind the throne.


Shahabuddin Mohammed Shah Jahan January 5, 1592 1627-1658 1662 Under him, Mughal art and architecture reached their zenith; constructed the Taj Mahal, Jahangir mausoleum and Shalimar Gardens in Lahore. Deposed and imprisoned by his son Aurangzeb.


Moinuddin Mohammed Aurangzeb Alamgir October 21, 1618 1658-1707 1707 Much less extravagant or tolerant of Hinduism/Sikhism than his predecessors; brought the empire to its greatest physical extent and imposed Islamic Sharia on the Mughal Empire. Extreme policies left many enemies to undermine the empire after his death.


Bahadur Shah I
a.k.a Shah Alam I October 14, 1643 1707-1712 February 1712 First of the Mughal emperors to preside over a steady and severe decline in the empire's control and power. During and after his reign, the emperor became a progressively insignificant figurehead.
Jahandar Shah 1664 1712-1713 February 1713 Little; see above.


Furrukhsiyar 1683 1713-1719 1719 Little; see Bahadur Shah I. In 1717 he granted a Firman to the English East India Company granting them duty free trading rights for Bengal, and confirmed their position in India.


Rafi Ul-Darjat Unknown 1719 1719 Little; see Bahadur Shah I.

Rafi Ud-Daulat
a.k.a Shah Jahan II Unknown 1719 1719 Little; see Bahadur Shah I.


Nikusiyar Unknown 1719 1743 Little; see Bahadur Shah I.



Mohammed Ibrahim Unknown 1720 1744 Little; see Bahadur Shah I.
Mohammed Shah 1702 1719-1720, 1720-1748 1748 Suffered the invasion of Nadir Shah of Persia in 1739.

Ahmad Shah Bahadur 1725 1748-54 1754 Little; see Bahadur Shah I.
Alamgir II 1699 1754-1759 1759 Little; see Bahadur Shah I.


Shah Jahan III Unknown Briefly in 1759 1770s Little; see Bahadur Shah I.

Shah Alam II 1728 1759-1806 1806 Suffered the invasion of Ahmed Shah Abdali in 1761; granted the 'Nizami' of Bengal, Bihar and Orissa to the BEIC in 1765, formally accepted the protection of the BEIC in 1803.


Akbar Shah II 1760 1806-1837 1837 Little; titular figurehead under British protection
Bahadur Shah II 1775 1837-1857 1862 Deposed by the British and exiled to Burma.


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Jansher, and they (the names) are all of Persian origin too.

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Originally posted by BK:
Jansher, and they (the names) are all of Persian origin too.

Like Kurshid.

One of yours is Turkic.

For girls the Ara was popular as well among Guyanese muslims of the early period.

and one is Persian as well. My dad was very careful in naming his children

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Originally posted by BK:
I don't know you will have to find out from one of this person's relative. The only "famous" Edun that I read about is Ayube Edun.

There was also a Magistrate named Shirin Edun.

I was made to understand that Shirin Edun was the daughter of the late Justice Akbar Khan. Additionally, Ambassador Ishmael's maternal grandmother was an Edun from the Rose Hall, Canje area.

does a name like Dan Japan fit in the equation of names originality.

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Originally posted by bird:
does a name like Dan Japan fit in the equation of names originality.

The correct name is Dhanessar Jhappan. It does "fit in the equation of names originality".

Thanks for clearing that up I find it strange that an indian name Japan but now i see the spelling hence the pronounciation.